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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.02
OK, just hear me out.

I understand the hate for him. He never defends the title. He should have lost to Benoit. Very little character. Seeming no clue what to do on offence.

Here's the thing. I see potential in this guy.

First off, his match with Benoit wasn't THAT bad. Benoit had to carry him, and yeah, he got to stop with the chinlocks, but at least he didn't look completely out of place like other wrestlers have when wresting Benoit (Hassan, Gunn, Visera). He sold pretty well, took a beating with the chops and generally didn't make Benoit do too much heavy lifting. He has to work on keeping the crowd with him, but he's young and more matches with guys like Benoit, Booker and Christian, he'll learn. If they keep him with Benoit, don't you think he'll get better?

He's also paired with one of the best talkers in the business. He can also learn off him to develop more of a character and find his "voice". Even the times when he DID get to speak, he hasn't been that bad. I remember laughing out loud when he asked JBL to carry the title when he had to fight Undertaker. They seem to have good give and take and he seems comfortable in front of the camera and on the mike unlike some other young guys (Benjamin, Orton).

I also don't understand the whole "Benoit should have won the title to give prestige." thing. NOTHING, sort of the Rock winnight that thing will give it prestige. There's really only one title that has ANY prestige anymore in wrestling and it whatever title Triple H goes for (sadly). Besides, Benoit's time has passed. He's 38 (I thinkg), he's won the title (on the biggest show of that year CLEANLY), he's had his run. The IWC always complains that they never push young faces, holding them down while promoting the old tired guys (Triple H, Hogan etc...), yet when they put a younger guy over, because of the perceived faults and because of the love for Benoit, it's horrible. They have to beat somebody to seem like they belong. Benoit's over enough to recover.

What's funny is that I've read in a couple of places that they are PUNISHING Benoit and that this is some sort of disrespect towards him. Benoit has a job for life. He's made millions. They aren't going to fire him. He's okay.

All I'm saying is that on the same card that Benoit won his title, some big guy was the 5th wheel in a handicap match. Now he's the World Champion and people (generally) chant his name. 2 yrs ago, John Cena had NO personality and came out with the colours of the local sports team on his boots and trunks. I remember the AWFUL Rocky Maivia promos and him wrestling the Sultan to complete silence at Wrestlemania (4 yrs later, he and the same guy wrestle to a hot crowd in Survivor Series). Can't we at least afford to give him SOME time to develop? He had his first real test and it's not like he flopped.....



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.29
It depends on whether you see the US Title as something of importance or as a prop. On Orlando Jordan, its a prop because as you say, he's still developing and he's not there yet. If it's supposed to be the #2 belt on Smackdown, it should be held by someone who the fans care about. If say Benoit or Christian had the title, it might be seen as something of importance.

The only problem I have with OJ beating Benoit is that it makes a win over Benoit seem even more insignificant. And then Benoit pretty much had his way with him in the tag match on Smackdown. So what does that do for Orlando Jordan and the US Title? Nothing. If he's a chosen one and is going to be put over, he should be put over strong. Instead it's half assed weak booking that did nothing for Orlando Jordan or Chris Benoit or the US Title.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
The thing is, Orlando Jordan's been there over 2 years. I didn't see any potential in him then, and I don't see any now. Before I stopped watching WWE, and I saw his matches, it seemed he improved very little in his time there. He shouldn't be US champion plain and simple, and he's a talent vacuum.

It kind of burns me up that a great wrestler like Charlie Haas or Jimmy Yang is fired while Jordan remains...as US champ no less.

It annoys me that he's been there this long and is "still developing." When Charlie Haas and Shelton Benjamin came in, right off the bat they were having fantastic tag team and wrestling matches, so it was totally justifiable to get the belts on a fresh up and coming team like them.

(edited by The Vile1 on 29.7.05 1803)



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.87
I definately agree about Benoit. I wouldn't have been angry at all if he had won the US Title, but I can understand why he didn't. I think the unfortunate thing is that some people love Benoit so much that they can't see that he's pretty much done as a top guy. He got a five month reign as World Champ which is more than a lot of guys can say they got. Did he deserve it? Of course, but it's not like he was going to be the next big draw for the company so now he is best used by putting over young guys since he has the credibility of being a former World Champ.

As for Orlando Jordan, I sort of agree. I don't see anything offensively bad about the guy. Whenever they give him something to do related to JBL, he seems like he can play the "comic lackey" role fairly well. I'm certainly all for giving him a shot to see if he can handle it.

The problem, in my opinion, is not so much with Jordan but rather with how he's been booked. He won the US title essentially as a way to push the JBL/Cena match at 'Mania which is fine, but they should have followed up on it. They didn't. Has Jordan had anything resembling a push? I can remember him jobbing to Booker T and Heidenreich but not much else from his reign.

On the other hand, I wouldn't compare him to Batista, Cena, Orton, Benjamin, et al. I know that you weren't making a direct comparison, but I don't think that Jordan will ever be on their level. I could definately see him eventually being a guy on the level of Christian - an entertaining underneath guy who once in a while could maybe step up and mingle with the main eventers.

And I can't be the only one who wishes that Cena would go back to his multi-colored boots and tights gimmick, can I?

EDIT: Didn't catch Fuel Injected's post before I typed this. I basically agree with what he had to say - either put Jordan over strong and give him a push or put the belt on Benoit if Jordan isn't going anywhere. Either one makes me happy.


(edited by BigSteve on 29.7.05 2112)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
I think a lot of the perception of Orlando Jordan as a bad U.S. Champion isn't Orlando's fault. I mean, it's not exactly as if he can choose when and where to defend the U.S. Title. He has to do what WWE tells him, and I understand that.

But the way WWE has pushed him has been extremely inconsistent at best, and half-assed at worst. He won the title in March, with his reign used primarily as a plot device to (1) get the belt off of John Cena, and (2) build further heat between Cena and the WWE Champion, JBL, for their match at WrestleMania 21.

WWE always feels the need to have Cena rebel against something, hoping the fans will think of him as the second coming of Stone Cold, but when he showed up on SmackDown shortly after the destruction of the U.S. Title spinner belt, GM Theodore Long offered Cena a U.S. Title rematch and that was the one thing Cena didn't want. Huh. So he's pissed that he lost the title, but doesn't want a rematch for it. OK, then-- quit your bitchin'.

From that point on, Orlando has been used to interfere in JBL's matches, tag-team with him on occasion, and appear onscreen now and again looking pretty and displaying his U.S. Title belt. I guess the Idiots in the Back Writing This Crap forgot what the U.S. Title actually is during that period.

From the time he won the title to the time he defended against Benoit at the Great American Bash, absolutely no buildup had led us up to the point where fans would go, "Man, I hope Benoit beats the hell out of that chickenshit Orlando Jordan, he's been cheating to retain his title for too long." The primary reason for wanting Benoit to win (aside from liking Benoit) was that the title was wasted on Orlando Jordan. That's simply not a good way to build up an upper-midcard heel.

Because Jordan was booked as someone WWE could really care less about, it was absolutely inconceivable that his U.S. Title match with Benoit would end with the champion retaining after 15 minutes. So, naturally, WWE managed to provide us with Exactly the Wrong Ending on a night in which they excelled at that.

And for that matter, the night after SmackDown seemed to be a post-Great American Bash reset, as if to say, "Ha, you remember that show you paid $35 for? We're gonna make you see that we don't have to abide by our own stipulations." So, JBL is the #1 contender now despite Undertaker winning that distinction at the GAB, and Eddie Guerrero still told his bedtime story to Dominic despite ostensibly losing that privilege at the GAB.

So, really, the attitude regarding OJ's win over Benoit is just a symptom of a much larger problem. But it didn't help that Jordan displayed the most boring offense in the world during that match, either, so I'm not saying Jordan isn't somewhat to blame for that.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.40
WWE really dropped the ball during the draft lottery. After Cena went to Raw, they had about a month where Smackdown had no 'official' champion. During that time, I would have had Orlando backstage ribbing JBL about how his US title made him "The Smackdown Champion" or whatever. Have him cut a promo or 2 where he's like a pig in shit about being the top dog (in his own words) basically by default. After that they could have gone one of 2 ways:

1) Make him an arrogant jackass, piss off the fans, give him a spot in the SD championship match and have him get utterly destroyed.

2) Have JBL get increasingly pissed with OJ's new 'status' and turn on him during a US title match (the one vs. Benoit?) That'd turn Orlando face nicely and he'd have had a ready-made feud with JBL for the next few months to cement him as at least a mid-level face.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
I wouldn't compare Orlando Jordan to John Cena. Cena came in and had a great match his very first night against Kurt Angle. Sure it was Kurt Angle, but Orlando had a match with Kurt early on too and it wasn't great, and while his match with Benoit was ok, it wasn't great either. Cena obviously has shown great mic skills since the rap gimmick, and while it took him a while to find that character, Orlando has been here 2 years and hasn't done anything.

Orlando could be something, atleast better than some of the other crap they've brough up from OVW, but they haven't pushed him, he hasn't defended the title and he wasn't even feuding with Benoit. It really came out of the blue and it seemed more like Benoit losing to someone beneath him, rather than Orlando beating someone above him. If they had actually been pushing Orlando or he actually was having a feud with Benoit it might have made more sense.

As for Benoit, yeah he should still be a World Title contender, he's only the best wrestler in the WWE. Even if he's never going to win the title again he should atleast be wrestling for it so they can have the best possible matches for their World Title matches. So he's 38, big deal. Who should be wrestling for the title if 38 is too old? JBL will be 38 in November, Eddie Guerrero will be 38 next month. Batista is already 39. Booker T is 40. Undertaker is 43.



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I thought Cena's first match on WWE was with Chris Jericho, no?



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    Originally posted by TL_Hopper
    I thought Cena's first match on WWE was with Chris Jericho, no?
No.1 I think you're thinking "first PPV match2."

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I think they're going for the JBL idea with the OJ reign. He reigns so long, it means something when he loses.

I mean, since the US belt came back, it hasn't been treated terribly well. Big Show won it and defended it like twice before he lost it.

But it recovered.

I don't see much in OJ (I'm more annoyed that his mic skills haven't picked up over the last year,) but he won't reign forever.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.65
    Originally posted by flairforthegold13
    I think they're going for the JBL idea with the OJ reign. He reigns so long, it means something when he loses.

    I mean, since the US belt came back, it hasn't been treated terribly well. Big Show won it and defended it like twice before he lost it.

    But it recovered.

    I don't see much in OJ (I'm more annoyed that his mic skills haven't picked up over the last year,) but he won't reign forever.


JBL was the center of programming. Orlando Jordan doesn't do jack as US champion. He doesn't get any promos, there was no build-up to his match with Benoit on PPV...none. His matches suck, and he has no heat with the crowd. The JBL/comparison is totally invalid.

Orlando Jordan's US title run has been TOTALLY meaningless.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
    Originally posted by The Vile1
      Originally posted by flairforthegold13
      I think they're going for the JBL idea with the OJ reign. He reigns so long, it means something when he loses.

      I mean, since the US belt came back, it hasn't been treated terribly well. Big Show won it and defended it like twice before he lost it.

      But it recovered.

      I don't see much in OJ (I'm more annoyed that his mic skills haven't picked up over the last year,) but he won't reign forever.


    JBL was the center of programming. Orlando Jordan doesn't do jack as US champion. He doesn't get any promos, there was no build-up to his match with Benoit on PPV...none. His matches suck, and he has no heat with the crowd. The JBL/comparison is totally invalid.

    Orlando Jordan's US title run has been TOTALLY meaningless.


Yeah, it's hard for anyone to realize that he's been champion for a long time when he defends either in the middle of the show (aka bathroom break) or on Velocity.
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