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Since: 26.6.02
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#1 Posted on
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Erm, wasn't his death one of the big successes in the first week of the invasion? I guess we should have known when no-one offered to show his body on TV.



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Since: 11.7.02
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It makes a lot more sense(the fact that he was not dead) when combined with the body of the Hussein offspring...

But my first reaction this morning was, in fact, "Isn't he dead already?" So unless this has something to do with a Branagh flick, I think that he's now dead for real.



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Since: 16.4.02
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#3 Posted on
Uh, Grimis...he ain't dead, he's in custody. MSNBC said earlier today that he's been in coalition hands for several days.

EDIT: Extemporaneously? {Roseanne Roseannadanna} "Oh, well, that's different. Nevermind." {/Roseanne Roseannadanna}

(edited by The Thrill on 22.8.03 0731)


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Since: 11.7.02
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by The Thrill
    Uh, Grimis...he ain't dead, he's in custody. MSNBC said earlier today that he's been in coalition hands for several days.

Didn't say he was....just typing extemporaneously like I would a conversation.

Incidentally, Ali's own words are interesting:

"I will kill them all with chemical weapons! Who is going to say anything? The international community? Fuck them! the international community, and those who listen to them!

"I will not attack them with chemicals just one day, but I will continue to attack them with chemicals for fifteen days."


And here's something else interesting about why we have not found chemical weapons from the mouth of a Ex-Commie spy:

As a former Romanian spy chief who used to take orders from the Soviet KGB, it is perfectly obvious to me that Russia is behind the evanescence of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction. After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place. The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction in Romanian it was codenamed "Sarindar, meaning "emergency exit."Iimplemented it in Libya. It was for ridding Third World despots of all trace of their chemical weapons if the Western imperialists ever got near them. We wanted to make sure they would never be traced back to us, and we also wanted to frustrate the West by not giving them anything they could make propaganda with.

All chemical weapons were to be immediately burned or buried deep at sea. Technological documentation, however, would be preserved in microfiche buried in waterproof containers for future reconstruction. Chemical weapons, especially those produced in Third Worldcountries,which lack sophisticated production facilities, often do not retainlethal properties after a few months on the shelf and are routinely dumped anyway. And all chemical weapons plants had a civilian cover making detection difficult, regardless of the circumstances.

The plan included an elaborate propaganda routine. Anyone accusing Moammar Gadhafi of possessing chemical weapons would be ridiculed. Lies, all lies! Come to Libya and see! Our Western left-wing organizations, like the World Peace Council, existed for sole purpose of spreading the propaganda we gave them. These very same groups bray the exact same themes to this day. We always relied on their expertise at organizing large street demonstrations in Western Europe over America'swar-mongering whenever we wanted to distract world attention from the crimes of the vicious regimes we sponsored.


Read the whole article...


(edited by Grimis on 21.8.03 1322)

"Each time I've met Huffington, I wondered if she was not somehow the long-lost daughter of Madame Nicolai Ceaucescu, or a genetic cross between Martha Stewart and Count Dracula. Had this Greek-born harpy lived in medieval times, she would have been sewn up in a bag with a rooster and two snakes and thrown into the nearest river."
-- Eric Margolis, Toronto Star
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#5 Posted on
"After all, Russia helped Saddam get his hands on them in the first place."


You're conveniently forgetting that America had a huge part to play in that regard.....

Rumsfeld met with Saddam and had a cordial meeting with him while he was busy gassing the Kurds. And yes, they knew. They just didn't care so long as he danced to their tune.

America only cares for democracy and human rights insofar as it advances their national interests. They're perfectly willing to work with murderous dictators so long as there's something in it for them. I don't have to tell you what it was in this instance.
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    Originally posted by -proletarian-
    You're conveniently forgetting that America had a huge part to play in that regard.....

I forget nothing. The point was "where are the weapons" not "blame the US for something else", even though we were at fault in this instance.



"Each time I've met Huffington, I wondered if she was not somehow the long-lost daughter of Madame Nicolai Ceaucescu, or a genetic cross between Martha Stewart and Count Dracula. Had this Greek-born harpy lived in medieval times, she would have been sewn up in a bag with a rooster and two snakes and thrown into the nearest river."
-- Eric Margolis, Toronto Star
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Since: 15.2.02
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    Ali's own words are interesting:

    "I will kill them all with chemical weapons! Who is going to say anything? The international community? Fuck them! the international community, and those who listen to them!

    "I will not attack them with chemicals just one day, but I will continue to attack them with chemicals for fifteen days."



But let's at least cut some slack since that quote is 15 years old.

A lot can happen in 15 years. We can't just NOW start to hold this guy accountable for things that we knew about 15 years ago, just because (when taken out of context) it supports one side of an argument that is about recent activity.

(edited by ThreepMe on 21.8.03 1228)


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