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Well, it appears the Yankees have solidified their bullpen by dumping Armando Benitez and cash to the Mariners for Jeff Nelson www.espn.com . Damn it. True, it helps Boston in the 4 teams for 3 spot race, as Benitez should really spit the bit the last two weeks of the season when Seattle plays Oakland 6 of the last 9 games, but now the Yankees have someone in their bullpen setting up Rivera who actually can pitch in October.
I guess now the Seattle front office can say to Nelson that they did make a move though.



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This is unfortunate. I was looking forward to seeing Benitez blow it for the Yankees down the stretch.



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Well, so much for the Mariners. As an A's fan, I love this trade. It never ceases to amaze me how many teams still think Benitez has value, even when so much of the world realizes what a loser this guy is.
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Well, as long as he doesn't have to be used on consecutive nights, he should be fine. And did he have the choker rep in Baltimore? Don't remember, but it might have just been gagging so often in NYC.



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I haven't stopped smiling since I heard about this. I thought the Yanks should've tried harder to keep Nelson around a couple of years ago. Anyway, good to know Benitez only did a minimal amount of damage during his era, and that the Yankee bullpen is approaching respectability again.



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Although....Nelson hasn't been much better this year.



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    Well, as long as he doesn't have to be used on consecutive nights, he should be fine. And did he have the choker rep in Baltimore? Don't remember, but it might have just been gagging so often in NYC.


He had one really huge choke in the playoffs one year in Baltimore. So I guess he was a "loser" there too since 3 or 4 chokes in your entire career apparently means you suck.



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    So I guess he was a "loser" there too since 3 or 4 chokes in your entire career apparently means you suck.


Or just one, coughcoughbucknercoughcough

Why would Seattle even need Benitez, what with Kaz coming back soon?






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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    And did he have the choker rep in Baltimore?

Not really, because he was setting up for Randy Myers the two years we made the playoffs. The biggest choke he had here though was a MASSIVE blowup in Game 6 of the '97 ALDS when he gave up a GW-HR 11th-Inning HR to Tony Fernandez.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad


      So I guess he was a "loser" there too since 3 or 4 chokes in your entire career apparently means you suck.


    Or just one, coughcoughbucknercoughcough

    Why would Seattle even need Benitez, what with Kaz coming back soon?


I don't think Benitez is as bad as people make him out to be. He has averaged 12.1 strikeouts per 9 innings in his career, while giving up hits at a rate of 5.9 per 9 innings. His career ERA is 43% better than league average. He can be absolutely dominating at times. While I will admit that he has given up some big hits, I think his level of explosiveness is severely overblown. I think he fits in well in Seattle without some much media hounding him as well. Sasaki will return soon, but he's getting lit up by Class A hitting right now. I don't think he's quite right.

As for Nelson, whatever. He's alright.



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You knew THIS was coming.

I think I speak for all of Seattle when I say...

FUCK YOU, HOWARD LINCOLN.

Fuck fuck FUCK, this trade pisses me off to all hell. Benitez is just another headcase to drive Brian Price nuts. Isn't he busy enough trying to fix Freddy Garcia's problems? (On an aside, FreddyWatch2003 continues tonight in Cleveland! Over/under - 4 innings.)

This is a complete, unmitigated disaster that can only end up with Safeco Field looking as empty as every other ballpark in the majors.




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#12 Posted on
    Originally posted by Big Bad


      So I guess he was a "loser" there too since 3 or 4 chokes in your entire career apparently means you suck.


    Or just one, coughcoughbucknercoughcough





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He gave up the fan interference homer by Jeter in '96 too... While you could say the Mets atrocious D can explain some of his bad days, he's really only a great closer against bad teams. Looks like Hasegawa is the closer until Sasaki is ready.

As for Nelson, we'll see, his slider ain't quite the same after that surgery last year.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by darkdragoon
    He gave up the fan interference homer by Jeter in '96 too...

It's a bit of a stretch to fault Benitez for giving up a home run on the biggest botched interference call you'll ever see...



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And speaking of waiver trades, looks like Raffy cleared Waivers and may yet go to Chicago. It's almost baffling how some guys slip through. I wonder how many other superstars cleared waivers and we just don't hear about it?



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    Originally posted by Grimis

      Originally posted by darkdragoon
      He gave up the fan interference homer by Jeter in '96 too...

    It's a bit of a stretch to fault Benitez for giving up a home run on the biggest botched interference call you'll ever see...



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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    And speaking of waiver trades, looks like Raffy cleared Waivers and may yet go to Chicago. It's almost baffling how some guys slip through. I wonder how many other superstars cleared waivers and we just don't hear about it?
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Yeah, that 10 mil, tax free thing must make playing for losers A-OK (or something).

Or in Palmerio's words, he doesn't want to uproot his family.

Splinters, indeed.



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    Originally posted by James F'n X
    You knew THIS was coming.

    I think I speak for all of Seattle when I say...

    FUCK YOU, HOWARD LINCOLN.

    Fuck fuck FUCK, this trade pisses me off to all hell. Benitez is just another headcase to drive Brian Price nuts. Isn't he busy enough trying to fix Freddy Garcia's problems? (On an aside, FreddyWatch2003 continues tonight in Cleveland! Over/under - 4 innings.)

    This is a complete, unmitigated disaster that can only end up with Safeco Field looking as empty as every other ballpark in the majors.



Will you admit to a bit of an overreaction on the deal, since the M's took 2-out-of-3 in New York, with Nellie getting pimp-slapped around in yesterday's big win?

I realize that I have the benefit of a little hindsight here, but Nelson is just BORING and at least Benitez goes out there and brings serious heat. I like the M's pen now with Soriano in Nellie's old spot, Rhodes, and Hasegawa. Benitez is still effective against lefties so they'll probably use him to give Rhodes a well-deserved break down the stretch.



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