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#21 Posted on
Smackdown is now to be offically know as the Triple H and Stephanie McMahon show with special guest star The Rock.


With H3 taking 50 minutes,Steph taking 20 and Rocky taking 20 that means 30 minutes of a wrestling show devoted to of all things WRESTLING!!!!!






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#22 Posted on
Damn guys, can't we possibly see the show first before we crap all over it? It seems that Steph came out totally in pre-Ministry character, not the Steph we have grown to hate.

Can we wait until Thursday night to crap all over it? since none of us knows exactly what happened on the show?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42
Yeah, because I wouldn't be shocked at all, with Bischoff being a heel trying to raid Smackdown, if Steph came back and they tried her as a face. So maybe MAYBE it will be very much different this time around.



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#24 Posted on
Hell, I'm just glad that it's Steph that's been given the job. Sure Shane could've done wonders, but they could've completely blown it by sticking Dusty Rhodes in, or bringing back Roddy Piper. Dusty would've killed what bandwagon fanbase is still around, and Piper is just really sad these days...

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#25 Posted on

    Originally posted by dskillz
    Damn guys, can't we possibly see the show first before we crap all over it? It seems that Steph came out totally in pre-Ministry character, not the Steph we have grown to hate.

    Can we wait until Thursday night to crap all over it? since none of us knows exactly what happened on the show?



Nahhh. I'll vote with my feet. Life's too short and full of enough annoyances already without the velveteen one-two punch of Bisch on Mondays and Steph on Thursdays.





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#26 Posted on
It's time to post the results of the poll (Christ, i'm incompetent) on when steph would return.

The winner is MoeGates, who picked July 25th, off by a mere week. Mad props, Moe.

If we're going by Price is Right rules, then I am the closest without going over, for having selected Independence Day, July 4.

I shall hereby claim victory. A pyrrhic one, however.



(edited by LordOfTheSmarks on 17.7.02 0126)

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#27 Posted on
Geez, Vince really doesn't want me to watch the shows anymore? This is going to be no different than the hotshot desperation quick fix booking the WWE has been doing recently. Remember what happened last time when Stephanie was playing owner of a "rival company". Maybe she was a heel that time but still. We've seen this shit before. Why does WWE have to be built on 2 guys who can absolutely do JACK and SHIT in the ring. And didn't HHH beating stephanie mean she was out of the WWE for good?

Its funny, remember the saying, "Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it?" I mean its downright hilarious, that WWE owns all their own archive footage and ALL WCW/NWA related footage, yet they learn NOTHING, NOTHING FROM IT! WHY?! So WWE pushed the restart button again. Remember the last time another wrestling company had to keep pushing the restart button in one year?




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#28 Posted on

    Originally posted by dskillz
    Damn guys, can't we possibly see the show first before we crap all over it? It seems that Steph came out totally in pre-Ministry character, not the Steph we have grown to hate.

    Can we wait until Thursday night to crap all over it? since none of us knows exactly what happened on the show?



You're asking for a hell of a lot more restraint than your average 'net wrestling fan appears to be capable of giving.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Yeah, because I wouldn't be shocked at all, with Bischoff being a heel trying to raid Smackdown, if Steph came back and they tried her as a face. So maybe MAYBE it will be very much different this time around.


Initially, perhaps she could get a few face pops. However, I can see Steph sliding back into her old screeching heel character within a matter of weeks. After all the various crap she pulled during her last stint before the cameras - plus all that's happened since she's been head of the writing team (there are enough educated marks out there who know where she's been) - I can't imagine her being able to sustain a face character. The result - two heels facing off against each other, with a heel overseeing the action, and no credible face able to oppose them. Unless, like I suggested in another thread, dX is reformed as a *face* faction to oppose them.

God, what a mess.

Steph



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#30 Posted on
I'm gonna try something very hard here. I'm going to try and find something positive about this.

Maybe, just maybe, and realize that this is clutching at straws, more time on camera will mean that Stephanie has less time as head writer.

To be honest, I had a fantasy booking idea that would have seen McMahon clonked in the head and put out of action (probably not a good idea in light of Bret Hart's recent injury). The Board of Directors would have been divided between Shane and Stephanie, so they would have split the shows. However, the key to that idea was that both of them would be somber and serious and would not be on screen for more than five minutes per show---no in-ring promos, either. They'd start out friendly, then become more competitive over the span of several months--raiding each other's roster and all. Eventually leading to one of them losing power and being replaced by either a returning Vince, or a new GM-type leader.

The two main problems with that idea are that neither of the McChildren are inclined to be understated actors, and the whole point of them not going after each other at first would be so that the focus could return to the in-ring product and inter-wrestler storylines, not the machinations of management. I don't see that happening.

Of course, my real dream was that the new SmackDown! GM would turn out to be the Handbaby, who would watch all the action from his perch high above the entrance ramp.

Later, Rudy

(edited by Rudy on 17.7.02 0150)
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#31 Posted on
NO, NO, NO, NO! This is fucking crap. I'm this fucking close to saying to hell with it.

Problem one, everyone is a free agent. What the hell is this crap. Why not just make trades or hell, just merge everyone back together anyway. The uniqueness of two shows was gone along time ago. You need more then just Tazz acting like the two different shows mean something special.

Problem two, and this is a big one. Bisoff and Steph are not going to sell shirts, toys, video games, or put asses in seats. They won't. Steph already tried to headline a Wrestlemania and it didn't fly then and it isn't going to fly now. If I wanted to watch bad actors fight over power there are pleanty of real soap operas out there to choose from. No, I don't want to watch a fucking soap opera, I want to watch wrestling. Once again the WWE is overshadowing the talent with bullshit.

Uncle Eric and Stephy do not put the E in WWE. Eddy, Benoit, Jeff Hardy, Richards, Flair, Angle and RVD put that E there. Until they realize that they're going to continue to float right up shit creek.



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#32 Posted on
If Vince is going to be less a presence on screen, then Steph will be like Vince. I think she will be the cold, calculating type that made Vince real ruthless, as opposed to the yell louder than John Madden type she once was.

Besides, since Steph is very jealous of Vince dating anybody, Stacey, Dawn Marie, and Torrie will have to wrestle their butts off now, and I don't mean stupid lingerie matches either. Either they wilt under the pressure, or the women's division becomes GAEA-like in quality, which is evidently Molly's plan all along. Steph did have a Raw feature a main event women's title match in which she put Lita over. Maybe they will pull it off.

And there is still the matter of storyline divorce proceedings, so HHH may not have the stroke.

And finally, Stephanie will deparately want to make her "you need me" speech she made before she left Raw truthful. What hurt the shows were incomplete storylines. In the next few weeks, watch for some incomplete storylines to end.

(edited by deadbeater on 17.7.02 0303)


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#33 Posted on
So the important question is when does the Steph/Bischoff alliance come together to somehow fight Vince, so that we can once again see Vince vanquish all comers? I give it a matter of weeks knowing their usual attention span. In fact perhaps this PPV we see them unite and say this time they're REALLY going to take Vince down.



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#34 Posted on
Was the WWE fanbase at large really BEGGING to see Stephanie McMahon back on TV at all, much less as the new figurehead for Smackdown?

I mean Stephanie's character stopped drawing actual money heat after the Love Triangle was dropped out of nowhere, and she became overexposed beyond overexposed during the Alliance angle.

No one is going to give a flying fuck about her and Eric Bischoff feuding over talent or anything else involving either of them. Enough is enough with the figurehead shit in general, much less having some sort of McMahon on TV.

This latest big concept (new era) isn't going to turn things around for WWE.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.33

    Originally posted by LordOfTheSmarks
    If we're going by Price is Right rules, then I am the closest without going over, for having selected Independence Day, July 4.

    I shall hereby claim victory. A pyrrhic one, however.



    (edited by LordOfTheSmarks on 17.7.02 0126)




This has to be the FUNNIEST thing I've read all day. Period.



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#36 Posted on

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    NO, NO, NO, NO! This is fucking crap. I'm this fucking close to saying to hell with it.

    Problem one, everyone is a free agent. What the hell is this crap. Why not just make trades or hell, just merge everyone back together anyway. The uniqueness of two shows was gone along time ago. You need more then just Tazz acting like the two different shows mean something special.

    Problem two, and this is a big one. Bisoff and Steph are not going to sell shirts, toys, video games, or put asses in seats. They won't. Steph already tried to headline a Wrestlemania and it didn't fly then and it isn't going to fly now. If I wanted to watch bad actors fight over power there are pleanty of real soap operas out there to choose from. No, I don't want to watch a fucking soap opera, I want to watch wrestling. Once again the WWE is overshadowing the talent with bullshit.

    Uncle Eric and Stephy do not put the E in WWE. Eddy, Benoit, Jeff Hardy, Richards, Flair, Angle and RVD put that E there. Until they realize that they're going to continue to float right up shit creek.



Well, I'm pretty sure that Eric & Stephanie put the "F" in WWF. Get it? GET IT? Ahhh...hell... The fact is that at the end of the day, it still says "World WRESTLING Entertainment" (Entertainment sounds gay...) on the marquee, so I better goddamned well see some good wrestling. I'll give this whole thing a ONE MONTH TRIAL PERIOD. ONE MONTH. Win me over by the end of the month period, or I'm gone.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
Eh, when all the chips are down, I'll probably never stop watching the WWE. I'll say that I will, I'll remind myself that I'm pissed off with the product, but I know I'll end up watching it anyway. They could give the frozen carcass of Ted Williams the undisputed title and I'll still watch.

There's obviously a hardcore (or stupid) group of people like me if the rating refuses to dip below 3.5 no matter what crap goes on.



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#38 Posted on

why do they always have to go and fuck everything up by putting that talentless whore right on top of every major storyline? isn't it enough that she's a millionaire? isn't it enough that she has full authority over creative of the company?

i am convined that somehow, for some reason, the Gods of wrestling are reading my mind and will coerce vince to visit weinerville today (although he's probably a daily chicken anyway) just to read the following note from matt:

vince, NO ONE LIKES HER. she gets x-pac heat. people turn off their TVs when she appears. the fans you have *and* the fans you seek to gain both resent the fact that this woman has been pushed down our throats for the past 2 1/2 years. i mean, it was cute in the beginning, but dude, get over it.

steve blackman would be a better smackdown GM for christ's sake.






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#39 Posted on
You know, Steph as a face could work, if Bischoff turns on Vince then we get Face Vince and Face Steph. I guess HHH will have to turn heel. Of course this doesn't make that much sense, but then the last few months of WWE doesn't make any sense.

I guess Foley wasn't available.



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#40 Posted on
Now they just need to have Bischoff sign Angle as part of the talent-stealing angle, and I never have to bother with that boring-ass show ever again!

(Sure, I like the cruiserweights as much as the next smark, but c'mon, they're on Velocity anyway.)




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