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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
All I can say is, hell must be frozen today, with a Wayne Ferris appearance at a WWE event. I wonder how much backstage security he needed.

Batista taking the belt is disappointing. I love the heel Y2J and his calm stalking.

The rest of the card was okay.

Your thoughts?
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
I didn't catch the show, but looking at the results the two surprises for me were the Batista victory and the fact that the CM Punk/Kofi tag match didn't win the vote.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
Pure idiocy given the events of Monday. So what if Batista won? He beat a guy who couldn't even beat Mark Henry or Kane! *And* he needed assistance from the guest refs to do so! The only way that's even quasi-acceptable is if Randy Orton comes out tonight saying those exact same things, claiming Batista's championship means nothing.

The booking of the entire feud just baffles me.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.31
It's a symbiotic relationship. Honky Tonk Man will talk shit about WWE, then they'll want him for something and he'll take their money. Same with Roddy Piper, same with Kamala, same with Hulk Hogan. Really, it's a good way for WWE to deflate their criticism - how bad can we be when you keep coming back every time we call?

As for the show itself, it happened. It was fine. I, too, was surprised that CM Punk's match didn't get voted in and Batista won the title. It was nutty just how much that crowd loved Cryme Tyme. And the highlight of the night was Brown Jacket Guy in the front row. That dude was highly emotionally invested in the show, though he seemed to repeatedly change opinions throughout each match.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
I really enjoyed the PPV, until the main event. Now I am absolutely disgusted. I despise Batista. His entire character revolves around the belt. If he's not the champion, he's the #1 contender. If he's not the #1 contender he's in a match to determine if he will be the #1 contender. Every time he loses a title match he comes out the next night and demands a rematch for one reason or another. *Sigh*

I also don't understand why you would vote in a No Holds Barred Match over a Falls Count Anywhere match for Kane vs. Mysterio. Falls Count Anywhere is basically No Holds Barred but you can pin anywhere!

I was really surprised that the voting between Roddy Piper and Honky Tonk Man was only 1% away. I thought Honky would have a clear advantage there...



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.08
    Originally posted by El Pescado
    I really enjoyed the PPV, until the main event. Now I am absolutely disgusted. I despise Batista. His entire character revolves around the belt. If he's not the champion, he's the #1 contender. If he's not the #1 contender he's in a match to determine if he will be the #1 contender. Every time he loses a title match he comes out the next night and demands a rematch for one reason or another. *Sigh*


You know, I've never really thought about it that way, but you're so correct ...

He'll drop it to Orton soon enough.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
That's not soon enough!
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by El Pescado
      I really enjoyed the PPV, until the main event. Now I am absolutely disgusted. I despise Batista. His entire character revolves around the belt. If he's not the champion, he's the #1 contender. If he's not the #1 contender he's in a match to determine if he will be the #1 contender. Every time he loses a title match he comes out the next night and demands a rematch for one reason or another. *Sigh*



But is that his fault, or the lazy booking? When he was on SD!, they didn't have much else to work with. And like him or not, the guy is a star, sells merch, and is way over. More importantly, he has taken his work rate up a notch in the last 18 months. I do wish they had kept the belt on Jericho, but this is the beginning of the road to Mania, and did we really think Jericho would be in the main event? Wished, maybe.

I do think the guy needs a heel turn to freshen him up. His feuds with other stronger faces over the last year have made him hard to cheer for anyway.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
    Originally posted by KJames199
    It's a symbiotic relationship. Honky Tonk Man will talk shit about WWE, then they'll want him for something and he'll take their money. Same with Roddy Piper, same with Kamala, same with Hulk Hogan. Really, it's a good way for WWE to deflate their criticism - how bad can we be when you keep coming back every time we call?



It's a lopsided relationship, then, at least in regards to the Honky Tonk Man. They've called HTM numerous times to do stuff (with Orton) and he's refused because either 1) The money wasn't enough or 2) The money wasn't enough and HTM would have to job.

HTM doesn't job to anyone anymore, unless it provides him with a considerable payday. If HTM is involved with anything WWE-related, given his comments, it's because they paid him a buttload to participate at Cyber Sunday, and the booking of his match didn't/wouldn't negatively affect his Indy booking abilities.

HTM got national TV time (+), a check (+) and a win (+)--all of which will benefit his booking. What really did WWE get?



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.43
    Originally posted by Whattaburger
      Originally posted by KJames199
      What really did WWE get?


    The continued the Honk-A-Meter as Santino did not lose the belt. How many dq losses do you think Honky had during his duration as IC title holder? I'd bet it's a few.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.23
Good show. Most of the matches met or exceeded my expectations. Two particularly were Bourne vs. Hardy and Batista vs. Jericho. Bourne and Hardy had a really fun match and Batista/Jericho was better than I thought it'd be. The screwy finish is OK when you don't do it all the time (like TNA does) and WWE doesn't, so I was fine with it here.

I'll admit, Hardy clapping to HHH after losing to him cleanly AGAIN made me die a little inside. I thought for sure Kozlov would get involved to cause a DQ or something. I was shocked Punk & Kingston's match didn't get voted in. HTM and Santino' segment was entertaining; HTM looks the same as he did 20 years ago it seems, while Goldust looks bigger every time he comes back.

Mickie James wins the diva costume contest for the 2nd year in a row, despite the not-so-great outfit. Since it's pretty much a popularity contest, it makes me happy that WWE's pet projects, Kelly Kelly and Candice, didn't win.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.87
    Originally posted by geemoney
    I was shocked Punk & Kingston's match didn't get voted in.


I'm going to attribute about 85% of the reason for this to Cryme Tyme fans, who's demo would matchup nicely with the means of voting.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.36
Kozlov getting so little of the vote has to be a little frustrating for WWE management at this point.

What does Jericho do with himself now?
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.29
Full results:

WWE Champion Triple H d. Jeff Hardy to retain title (via Pedigree; WWE Universe chose opponent)

Last Man Standing Match: Undertaker d. Big Show (after the Triangle Lock; WWE Universe chose match type)

Batista d. World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho to win his fourth title (via Batista Bomb after a schmozzfest; WWE Universe chose "Stone Cold" Steve Austin as special guest referee)

No Holds Barred Match: Rey Mysterio d. Kane (via 619; WWE Universe chose match type)

United States Champion Shelton Benjamin d. R-Truth to retain title in the Cyber Sunday preview match (via Pay Dirt; WWE Universe chose Benjamin's opponent)

ECW Champion Matt Hardy d. Evan Bourne to retain title (via Twist of Fate; WWE Universe chose Hardy's opponent)

Honky Tonk Man d. Intercontinental Champion Santino Marella by disqualification (allowing Marella to retain title; WWE Universe chose Marella's opponent)

The Miz and John Morrison d. Cryme Tyme (via Morrison hitting Shad with the Moonlight Drive; WWE Universe chose this match from three possible match combinations)

Mickie James won WWE Divas' Halloween Costume contest over 15 other divas (with a Lara Croft, Tomb Raider outfit)



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
Wow, really disappointing that they took the belt off Jericho last night, especially after they had Batista laughing at him, and Mark Henry and Kane beating him, last week. He really could have done some (more) great things with a long title reign. Maybe something will happen tonight to redeem the situation, but as it stands now, he was treated like a joke champion just like he was during his first reign.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.50
    Originally posted by kentish
      Originally posted by Mayhem
        Originally posted by El Pescado
        I really enjoyed the PPV, until the main event. Now I am absolutely disgusted. I despise Batista. His entire character revolves around the belt. If he's not the champion, he's the #1 contender. If he's not the #1 contender he's in a match to determine if he will be the #1 contender. Every time he loses a title match he comes out the next night and demands a rematch for one reason or another. *Sigh*



    But is that his fault, or the lazy booking?


I'd say it's at least part Batista's fault. Pescado is right, he always either has the belt or is the number one contender. Meanwhile, he complains about his spot in the company as much as anybody. He wasn't happy about the way the Cena/Batista feud went down. He wasn't happy with his push even though he's been at the top of the card always. He even threatened to take a break. I wouldn't be surprised if this title win was to make Batista happy. Maybe that makes Batista a genius for playing the politics game but it also makes him a crybaby. He's the last guy that deserves to be complaining because while he's constantly on top Jericho is now 0 for 2 in meaningful World Title Reigns, Punk looked like a chump against Batista and Cena lost every big match he had this year. Heck, Batista has been booked stronger than the f'n Undertaker since coming to Raw. It also certainly doesn't help that I find him the least interesting and least deserving to be champion out of Jericho, Punk, HBK, Cena and Orton.

That being said it's also the WWE's fault because somebody should put their foot down and call Batista's bluff. I don't believe for a second that he would leave the WWE if he didn't get everything he wanted.

Man, Santino was great at first and the Honky meter seemed like a great idea but lately his segments have been as bad as TNA's comedy segments.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Man, Santino was great at first and the Honky meter seemed like a great idea but lately his segments have been as bad as TNA's comedy segments.


True, though I still crack up every time he says "The Honkey Donkey Man."
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.36
Live from Phoenix ...

(I'm trying to get caught up!!!)

Chintziest-looking set they've ever done for a PPV. And most annoying -- the Tron is neck-breakingly high up. My neck is sore from that today.

Warm-up match, on wwe.com:
-- Shelton Benjamin d. R-Truth:
Even without making his entrance through the crowd, R-Truth is way over. Really short match, with some very nice stuff, but not really enough time to get into it.

-- Rey Mysterio d. Kane -- No Holds Barred:
I'm always so impressed that these 2 guys can work together, & make it look good! Lotta teases of the 619, which is what everybody is begging for.

-- Matt Hardy d. Evan Bourne -- ECW Chamionship:
So here's the CyberSunday problem in action: people vote for the babyface to get the match. Which gives us face vs. face matches. So you'd think a lot of the crowd would be behind the face that they'd voted for. Not so much. The Hardy fans were cheering for Hardy, & not nearly enough love for Bourne. He is a pretty, pretty worker, & the crowd did get into his high spots. I like watching him work -- maybe against a heel next time. :-)

-- Morrison/Miz d. CrymeTyme :
People do like to chant the "Money, money, yeah-yeah". I've never been much of a fan of Miz, but he does draw heat, & I have to say his work has improved. Morrison keeps improving -- I have to think (hope) they're bringing him along slowly as a long-term project. I'm soooo glad that Shad's undies were bright-white, straight out of the package -- we kept seeing more & more of them as the match went on. (I'm not sure whether they were heading north or the pants heading south.) Entertaining match!

-- HTM d. Santino w/Beth -- Mood Killer Match
Based on the crowd reactions (mine included) I can't believe that the WWE Universe actually voted for HTM over Piper -- and by exactly one percentage point. I'm pretty sure that Vince's best efforts at a build for HTM really-really lost out to Piper.
Not good.

-- Victoria in the "Peanut Butter Jelly Time" Banana outfit was the only entertaining one of them all. Not sure most of the audience got it, but those who did liked it.

-- Undertaker d. BigShow -- Last Man Standing:
OK, did Vicky completely screw up the announcement of which match was selected, or was this supposed to be some clever moment where she was trying to swerve the crowd? Or did a sound guy screw up the audio in the building? Whatever happened, we were quite confused as she announced something completely different than the majority vote. See, the whole thing is just confusing for all parties concerned.

I fervently hope that the camera guy assigned to get up close & personal to Undertaker during his entrance, gets some flameproof undies as standard issue! Looked like he got a bit zapped with the bursts of flame. (Camera guys must not piss of pyro guys. Actually, pretty much nobody ought to piss of the pyro guys.)

My big objection from the live perspective is that they spent quite a bit of time out of the ring, in the corners. You pretty much can't ever see that stuff directly. And you remember how I mentioned that the tron was mounted so high up, in the total opposite direction from the action.

Beyond that, it was a good match. We knew it would basically be them beating on each other, & they did that successfully. One thing Taker does particularly well is the little things about being frustrated that he just couldn't get Show to stay down. There was a lot of counting to 10, but again, that's to be expected with this match.

Apparently there was a big expectation of blood from much of the crowd. Personally, I was quite happy that they did the whole thing without that at all. You just don't always need to.

One tiny observation: On his way out, Taker ***always*** does the stop at the top of the ramp, look over the shoulder, & the arm raise. We were all waiting, but he didn't do it. Very odd.

Bimbettes in costumes from Castle Boutique. Potty break.

-- HHH d. Jeff Hardy
And here again we have the face vs face problem. OK, Jeff Hardy ought to have sufficient screaming throngs to overcome that, right? I don't know where they all vanished to. The pro-HHH faction was loud & reasonably appropriate, but Jeff pretty much had to flap his arms at the crowd to get them to cheer for him during the match. Don't think he ever got any support at all for getting out of submission holds. I think he was legit rather frustrated about that.

I *was* completely astonished that we didn't get a Kozlov appearance of any sort! I'm actually waiting to see him work with HHH - that looks like it might be kinda fun!

-- Batista d. Jericho:
So much fun! After the non-appearance of Kozlov, I was wondering if HBK & Orton would actually participate -- glad they sorted out a good way to make that work. We love us our HBK. :-) I was happy about the title change, & being there was great. Glad that Austin didn't feel the need to KWS Dave -- that would have made me cranky.


General observations: That whole nonsense of us awaiting the verdict doesn't lend the air of suspense that I assume they intend. Rather, it's just a buzzkill, & slows down the proceedings.

Still a very fun live show! I had a great time!

p.s. Randy's new full-arm tattoos are really, really ugly.

(edited by emma on 28.10.08 0053)
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Bourne vs. Hardy was the match of the night for me. I want to see them go at it in half hour clinics.

I was quite surprised by the voting, too. I was very certain that they were gonna go the Hardy/Henry route, but seeing Bourne in there was a great surprise.





A sign of the times, eh?
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I hate to be the typical smarky smark, and there WERE good things about Cyber Sunday (Santino's IC bit, the Taker-Big Show/Hardy-Bourne/HHH-Hardy matches) but I just can't get past the two glaring problems: WWE's handling of Jericho and Punk.

I had turned into a TNA-only fan for a long while. There's issues with TNA, sure, but I'd had enough of the typical McMahon crap. Then the "save me" stuff came out, and it pretty much revealed to be Jericho, and I tuned in again. The crowd reactions when he came back worried me, and that worry found a place to fester when he seemingly was thrown in as a third-wheel in a feud. But, the epic Jericho-HBK feud came about. It was INCREDIBLE. Great storytelling, great matches, great everything. And it leads to Jericho earning the championship again. So I gave WWE another chance. You had Jericho on top, with feuds on the horizon simmering with Batista and eventually Orton then HBK again. You had Glamarella holding fort on the IC level. But what has happened since HBK was dropped as Jericho's opponent has been a joke.

We'd all heard that Jericho and Michaels worked together to book their feud, outside of most writer and McMahonaference. So knowing that and the alleged attitude of the McMahon higher-ups toward Jericho, it doesn't surprise me that Jericho got buried once he left the security of that feud. He couldn't beat Mark Henry clean and they jobbed him to Kane clean...after defeating Michaels in the one of the most brutal ladder matches ever. They essentially jobbed him to "former ECW Champion" Mark "The World's Sweatiest Man" Henry. He IS jobbed to Kane. Then they have Batista fly through both men in a combined match time of 10 seconds. That's not exaggeration either; for once, that's literal. The actual combined time of both "matches". Mark Henry gets a spinebuster and Kane eats a spear. Seriously, KANE pinned by a SPEAR?! At least at that time, I thought they were just devaluing talent in order to do the typical build-up for a PPV; make the face look dominating, because the heel is going to win at the PPV. Usual WWE short-sighted booking. But then Batista just goes out and beats Jericho. From handling SHAWN MICHAELS in one of the most emotionally charged, intense feuds in quite some time to being turned into an ineffectual laughable throw-away "champion". With Kane as a side casualty of all this. Sorry, but I can't stomach that.

This is all aside from what they've done with Punk since his surprise championship win. The least amount of actual, clean wins over an opponent since Rey Mysterio's championship reign. Booking feverishly to make sure Punk was never in the main event of a show. It is really weird that WWE clearly knows Punk is a draw, using him as the surprise champ and all, yet seems determined to marginalize him so much. Even when you had stuff like Rey or RVD knocking against the supposed glass ceiling they still got used in ways that can make WWE money. But WWE seems to actually be asking us to stop caring about Punk. I mean, either the Cyber Sunday voting is rigged (implying again no company faith in Punk) or in just over 1 month after losing the championship he has had his momentum shot so much that the fans weren't even that interested in seeing him on PPV.

So, taken by itself, a good show. Taken as a whole in context, a horrible gaze inside WWE-think. I think I'm back to TNA exclusivity.

(edited by BoromirMark on 28.10.08 1405)


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