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If only I could get nearly $100,000 a year to say what he says and do what he does:

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    University of Colorado professor Ward Churchill was awarded a 2.28 percent merit pay increase this week for work performed in 2004, a little less than his department’s average recommended salary increase for professors.

    A statement released by CU said pay increases for Boulder campus faculty are approved by interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano and based on reviews and recommendations by committees at the department, school or college, and administrative levels.

    Churchill’s increase was finalized Thursday. The average recommended increase for ethnic studies department faculty was 3.21 percent, according to the CU statement.

    “In 2004, Professor Churchill taught a higher number of courses than required, received A’s and A-pluses on his student evaluations, completed numerous publications and served as administrative chair of the department,” the statement said.

    Churchill, a tenured professor of ethnic studies, was earning $94,212, prior to the increase; he resigned as department chair Jan. 31, when controversy surrounding him erupted.
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I was personally hoping that he would take a 100% pay decrease this year, but I guess that's too much to ask for in this case. I'm all for freedom of speech and all of that good stuff, but I also believe that people ought to be responsible for what they say, especially to a public audience. Churchill should have been fired for what he said, but I'm not really surprised that he wasn't.

Wasn't he being investigated for possibly having plagiarized?



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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    I was personally hoping that he would take a 100% pay decrease this year, but I guess that's too much to ask for in this case. I'm all for freedom of speech and all of that good stuff, but I also believe that people ought to be responsible for what they say, especially to a public audience. Churchill should have been fired for what he said, but I'm not really surprised that he wasn't.

    Wasn't he being investigated for possibly having plagiarized?


So we fire a guy who the university has apparently decided is a very good teacher (even though his raise was below the recomended pay increase) because he said something controversial? Please. If we started doing this than 80 percent of the nation's professors would be out of a job. Why should his comments have any effect whatsoever on his job status?

Universities for decades have been at the center of social activity. Now, all of a sudden, we're gonna start punishing people for it?
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    So we fire a guy who the university has apparently decided is a very good teacher (even though his raise was below the recommended pay increase) because he said something controversial?


If he is such a great teacher than why are they investigating him for plagiarism and academic fraud? Is that what passes for a great academic these days - controversial statements and shoddy and dishonest practices?


    If we started doing this than 80 percent of the nation's professors would be out of a job.


I doubt that. Lumping his statements in with other "controversial" statements is like saying a bruise and a broken neck are both "injuries". Professors might say things that are "controversial" but hardly things to the degree that Churchill said.


    Why should his comments have any effect whatsoever on his job status?


Because when an employer hires you, they expect that you not say things in public that would embarrass them? Yeah, that's about right. Just because he has the right to say these things doesn't mean that he ought to be in the employ of a publicly funded university while saying them.


    Universities for decades have been at the center of social activity. Now, all of a sudden, we're gonna start punishing people for it?


Talk of soldiers fragging officers and comparing slaughtered Americans to Nazis is hardly the type of "social activity" with which any respectable University should associate itself.



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The whole point of teachers is to, you know, teach.

And his students like him apparently.

From the article:

“In 2004, Professor Churchill taught a higher number of courses than required, received A’s and A-pluses on his student evaluations, completed numerous publications and served as administrative chair of the department,” the statement said.

If the students like him, and the school likes him, I doubt they care what anyone else thinks about him.



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The school and this guy have been regularly skewered by both Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity (and other extreme righties). Let's face it, if you're at all left-leaning (like a lot of university people are), then being attacked by those two buffoons probably makes you think that you're doing something right.

I don't agree with what the guy said. It was pretty repugnant. By the same token, they can hire who they want to hire and pay who they want to pay. If public opinion determined who was hired and who was fired, things would be quite different. Vote to take more and more state funding away if you feel like it. That's what they've being doing to Penn State for the past few years.
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    Originally posted by BigSteve
    Because when an employer hires you, they expect that you not say things in public that would embarrass them? Yeah, that's about right. Just because he has the right to say these things doesn't mean that he ought to be in the employ of a publicly funded university while saying them


OK now I understand. You're here to tell me what CU expects of its employees. Perhaps you should tell CU as well, since you apparently know better than they what they want.
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    The whole point of teachers is to, you know, teach.

    And his students like him apparently.

    From the article:

    “In 2004, Professor Churchill taught a higher number of courses than required, received A’s and A-pluses on his student evaluations, completed numerous publications and served as administrative chair of the department,” the statement said.

    If the students like him, and the school likes him, I doubt they care what anyone else thinks about him.


Unless things are drastically different at CU than any University I've attended, then receiving high evaluations from students translates to "This guy grades easy!" (while tough evaluations means "This guy grades tough!"). Unfortunately, it probably has little to do with how much the student has actually learned.

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    OK now I understand. You're here to tell me what CU expects of its employees. Perhaps you should tell CU as well, since you apparently know better than they what they want.


Also, CU, and any other public institution for that matter, is a little different than private employers. They are not completely free to run in any manner they want. Since the university is funded by tax dollars, the university does have some accountability to tax payers. And thus their hiring/firing/employee conduct practices can, and should, come under public scrutiny if necessary. And let's say another teacher said made a pro-KKK statement, or a derogatory comment about African-Americans or Jews, etc.. There would be a public firestorm, and my guess is the guy would be fired or otherwise ran out of town. If this is the case (and I know this is hypothetical), it establishes that there IS a line that can be crossed. Then it's just a matter of deciding where the line is set.

So did the professor cross the line? I don't think so necessarily. But I think it's something that can be open to discussion (though its more appropriate for Colorado citizens, since they are the ones who pay the bills).



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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    So we fire a guy who the university has apparently decided is a very good teacher (even though his raise was below the recomended pay increase) because he said something controversial? Please. If we started doing this than 80 percent of the nation's professors would be out of a job. Why should his comments have any effect whatsoever on his job status?


His comments shouldn't have any effect upon his job status other than to point out his relatively high idiocy level. In the social sciences (Churchill is, to my dismay, a member of the Department of Communication at CU) at most Division I schools, being a good teacher means and counts for very little. What is generally considered to be substantially more important is the research and publication component of one's scholarship. It's for that; the rampant plagiarism in his artwork, the falsification and creation of sources in his scholarship, and the repeated incidents of plagiarism in his writing, that he should be fired.

Unfortunately, because of a systemic failure in the way academics handle plagiarism, Churchill likely doesn't face much threat of penalty for those actions. If a student plagiarizes or falsifies a source, I'm, with the complete support of every department chair and course director I've ever had, going to at least fail them on that project and will most likely fail them for the course. As an aside, at my alma mater, two plagiarism incidents was grounds for expulsion and a permanent invitation to the world. If an academic plagiarizes, especially if they are well known like Stephen Ambrose or Doris Kearns Godwin, the most likely result is a slap on the wrist and the admonition not to be so obvious the next time you plagiarize. Ironically enough, Churchill is probably in the most trouble for falsely claiming to be Native American and using that status for affirmative action and diversity purposes.

In the end, all this is about a relatively obscure professor and truly lousy scholar who somehow got tenure despite being unqualified and is now being used to indict the academy in general. Eh.

Tim



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