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LotusMegami
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
I finally did it. I got my cable box working, figured out the remote, and watched an episode of NWA TNA.
There was much wrestling. There was much high-flying. There were many sexy tummies.
But getting to the point, some of the stuff I saw made me fear for them ever getting a TV deal. Adults ordering PPV know what they are getting into. Non-fans casually watching a new show, or heaven forbid, children...that's another matter.
Don't get me wrong - I loved the creepy $%@#.
Compare:
--Slash throws DARTS into Sinn's BACK. And the look on his face as he admired his work.
--Blood
--Raven is hung by a dog collar.
--Sinn is hung by the chain itself.
--Blood
--Everything done with the chain
--Sinn dizzy from blood loss. Did Sinn draw the short straw for bitch duty this week, or is he just that hardcore?
--Blood

Versus:
--Kane not actually electrocuting Shane's balls. Not that I want to see him really do it, but it just isn't creepy when you know what you're seeing isn't real.
--Kane not actually getting burned alive.
--The limo - way too F%&*ing far.

Getting back to my point, if TNA were on free TV, SD and RAW would suddenly look like Saturday morning drink your milk say your prayers wrestling in comparison.

Speaking as a Catholic, I find Fallen Angel and the New Church to be utterly hilarious and possibly a deep social commentary. Other Catholics will feel differently. I did not get to see AJ Styles bare ass spanked, which I regret, but that also may be a problem for some TV stations.

A should probably mention at this point that I am female. Although I would like to see a serious gay wrestling angle. My apologies for the tangents. I do have ADD.

Those who have seen more of TNA, how scary is it usually? How mature on the rating scale? TV-14? Worse?



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.85
    Originally posted by LotusMegami
    Those who have seen more of TNA, how scary is it usually? How mature on the rating scale? TV-14? Worse?


The darts into the back thing was out there (and kind of awesome). The hanging stuff seems to be becoming a trend with the Raven / New Church storyline. Some shows have very little blood; some shows have someone gigging every match, it seems. Stylistically, TNA varies wildly. At the moment, of course, we have three Dark/Gothic/whatever groups (Raven's Gathering, the New Church, and Daniels and his followers), which seems a little like overload to me, but I can't argue too much with it because all the groups are pretty cool.

As far as maturity rating -- there's some swearing, and there've been a couple of instances of female toplessness (one purposeful and one accidental), but they can always just leave that stuff out if they get a TV deal -- it's not like it's integral to the stories in any way.

--K
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
I agree with both of you about the New Church. I'm Catholic, and I always did find James Mitchell's gimmick pretty cool and a lot less offensive than some of the stuff the Catholic Church itself is just acknowledging happened now. (You know what I mean!)
I liked him in ECW, especially with Mikey and Tajiri, and this new incarnation is alot more sinister and less comedic than the last one. To me, it seems that TNA really bought into the character and supported it and ran with it, which I don't think the WWE would do, as they act for the most part as if the wrestler had no life prior to coming to the Fed.
They've done it with Raven, too. In TNA he has the Gathering, in WCW, it was the Flock, and in ECW he had the bWo. In his WWE career, they never gave him a stable of guys he could "influence" with that crazy talk he's so good at. You have to admit his promo are kind of like watching one of those serial killer guy talking to themselves in a movie like Red Dragon. This creativeness has always been "trademark Raven", and even when he started finally doing the "Seven Deadly Sins" gimmick on Heat, they canned him.
I think that's the trouble with the WWE nowadays. They depend on the say of only a few people who all think alike (or kiss up and say they do to keep their jobs), and that gives them "tunnel vision" on what is a good story. WWE Creative seems to be hung up on the "entertainment" side and doesn't seem to give the individual wrestler enough credit for knowing his own character enough to maybe have an influence on how they're going to book him storywise. I'd think that most of these guys have a good idea on what types of characters worked well with their delivery, personality types, and wrestling styles. I feel they should work with whatever bought them to the big show (the WWE). But unfortunately, as shown on Jimmy Kimmel this week, Stephanie's attitude is, "C'mon! It's Entertainment!", with no acknowledgment of the wrestling aspect.
She also only talked about herself, her boyfriend, her mom, her wedding, and her upcoming match against her father, with no mention of any other wrestlers on the card.
I assume the McMahon's are Catholic, with Shane blessing himself before every dive and with that last name. A little bit of a stretch, I know, but assuming that is true, I just can't imagine Stephanie walking down the aisle of a Catholic Church in a dress cut as low as she's been wearing it lately. You should have seen her on Kimmel. I thought Quentin Tarantino was looking down her shirt! I know she's proud of the implants, but c'mon!
THAT I might find offensive! LOL
As far as the rating system goes, I'm thinking TV-14 is appropriate. I think that while violent, overall it seems to be less sexualy orentated lately than the WWE has been.
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    Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
      Originally posted by LotusMegami
      Those who have seen more of TNA, how scary is it usually? How mature on the rating scale? TV-14? Worse?


    The darts into the back thing was out there (and kind of awesome). The hanging stuff seems to be becoming a trend with the Raven / New Church storyline. Some shows have very little blood; some shows have someone gigging every match, it seems. Stylistically, TNA varies wildly. At the moment, of course, we have three Dark/Gothic/whatever groups (Raven's Gathering, the New Church, and Daniels and his followers), which seems a little like overload to me, but I can't argue too much with it because all the groups are pretty cool.

    As far as maturity rating -- there's some swearing, and there've been a couple of instances of female toplessness (one purposeful and one accidental), but they can always just leave that stuff out if they get a TV deal -- it's not like it's integral to the stories in any way.

    --K


I have yet to see any NWA/TNA shows, but if all this stuff happened I wonder why bob Ryder hasn't written a "NWA/TNA is Porn" column on his web site yet.....

Oh wait a minute, I forgot; Ryder's on TNA's payroll. My bad.





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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by KathyNumbers
    To me, it seems that TNA really bought into the character and supported it and ran with it, which I don't think the WWE would do, as they act for the most part as if the wrestler had no life prior to coming to the Fed.


TNA realizes that the only audience they have is mostly made up of people that have followed wrestling for a long time, like us, and would thus know pretty much anybody who showed up on the show, so they can't get away with reintroducing them as somebody else. The WWE, on the other hand, has a significant portion of their audience who has no clue, nor do they care what happened in ECW or WCW or some Indy fed. And unless you truck out hours and hours of video footage, you're not going to make them care. There's only a handful of guys who are universal enough that almost all the casual fans know who they are, and James Mitchell doesn't make that list.


    This creativeness has always been "trademark Raven", and even when he started finally doing the "Seven Deadly Sins" gimmick on Heat, they canned him.


He canned himself. He didn't like the writers and he didn't want to work as an announcer (where the WWE loved him).


    WWE Creative seems to be hung up on the "entertainment" side and doesn't seem to give the individual wrestler enough credit for knowing his own character enough to maybe have an influence on how they're going to book him storywise.


Yes, but EVERYBODY has grandios visions of what their character should be like and how they should be pushed. You might not have that problem in TNA, but that's partially because coming in the only two established main eventers in the company were Raven and Jeff Jarrett. Everybody else, including AJ Styles, is pretty much interchangable, and so, if they want to go ahead and write their own character, fine, because the company only has so many people to serve. The WWE's top down management scheme works because it can use the most amount of people without brusing the most amount of egos.


    But unfortunately, as shown on Jimmy Kimmel this week, Stephanie's attitude is, "C'mon! It's Entertainment!", with no acknowledgment of the wrestling aspect.


Remember who she's talking to. If you see ANY wrestler on a late night show, it's "Look how entertaining we are! Woooo!" That's because the typical late night crowd fare doesn't care how many German Suplexes you can hit, or whether or not you can nail a moonsault. You're there to entertain. Hell, even actors rarely talk about the movies they're in, they just tell stories and crack jokes. Stephanie was attempting (and succeeding, in my opinion) to be personable to these people who obviously didn't care about the show, and at the same time plugging the show as something people who like entertainment like talk shows, might enjoy.


    She also only talked about herself, her boyfriend, her mom, her wedding, and her upcoming match against her father, with no mention of any other wrestlers on the card.


God, you've NEVER watched a late night talk show, have you? She's there to talk about herself. The Kimmel people didn't book her to come on and go on and on about Albert/Benoit or what a great wrestler Charlie Haas is. They booked her to come on, talk about her sordid personal life, get in a cheap plug for her PPV appearance and leave. I'd imagine that if she'd even tried, Kimmel would have cut her off.


    I assume the McMahon's are Catholic, with Shane blessing himself before every dive and with that last name. A little bit of a stretch, I know, but assuming that is true, I just can't imagine Stephanie walking down the aisle of a Catholic Church in a dress cut as low as she's been wearing it lately.


Ok, you know...I don't know what this has to do with anything. At all.


    You should have seen her on Kimmel. I thought Quentin Tarantino was looking down her shirt! I know she's proud of the implants, but c'mon!


Really? Because in the Kimmel show I saw, she was wearing a white shirt with a shirt over that, and it was hardly anything I would call "low cut". I guess maybe our feeds are different?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.47
Also, QT's been fucking hammered in pretty much every public appearance he's made over the past coupla weeks. I didn't see any of this one, but I'm sure he's consistent with his drinky-poos.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
I think they didn't get the memo that Halloween is later in the month...

nice to see how elevated Daniels was from his epic fued with JJJ...er JJ.

Raven--amazing how when you get pushed and stop mailing it in how the mutants jump out with how much you've improved and why you never should have been let go.

nice to see they listen to the audience Crowd: AAAAAJJJJ! West: LISTEN TO THE SUPPORT FOR THE AMERICAN DREAM DUSTY RHODES!

as for Steph: 1. it's jimmy kimmel. 2. the only really nice interviews IMO are when they're on Conan, and those tend to be fluff/comedy anyway.
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#8 Posted on
maybe it's just me, but as a semi regular viewer of NWA/TNA (i tend to order upon quality of the card announced/whom i like to see), i have noticed over the last couple of weeks that since they are growing in stature, they are very much relying on those whom have committed to staying around for a while instead of having guys do short runs....

now, obviously this is a smart move by TNA; after all, why build up people that could easily be snatched away, but it kinda kills off the spontaneous feel to it when guys like low ki, red, sats, etc. come in for a bit and get some good matches and make TNA unique......

but instead we get people like dusty, terry taylor, etc as suprises because we all know that the WWE won't snatch em away.....



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
Geez 'Calibur, why are you ripping everyone's posts apart? Did the sucess of your satire translate to a job with the WWE or something? Hey your booking of Evolution does actually make them seem interesting.
-PEDIGREE TO GERWITZ!
...Er, sorry about that.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
    Originally posted by darkmatcher
    Geez 'Calibur, why are you ripping everyone's posts apart?


There's no vitrol there, but the arguement that ANY alternative is better than the status quo, that the WWE can do no right, and distorting the facts therein...I'm going to say something. Also, I tend to quote individual sentances so that people know exactly what I'm responding too.


    Did the sucess of your satire translate to a job with the WWE or something?


I wish. Then I could stop writing the satire and actually start making some money.


    Hey your booking of Evolution does actually make them seem interesting.
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    ...Er, sorry about that.


If only. Until that time however....



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.06
Excalibur,
I didn't think of your post as "vitrolous" (sp?), and I'm not saying that the WWE doesn't do anything right. I grew up with a father and brother who watched wrestling, so I've been watching it an awful long time, and it's pretty much the only thing that appeals to me to watch on Monday or Thursday night.
I guess what's getting to me is non-stop hyping of the McMahon clan, especially Stephanie. I'm alot older than she is and always thought she was a cute little kid and didn't mind her, really, even during McMahon-Hemsley or as the "owner" of ECW.
That being said, I can't understand as one of the future owners of the company, she doesn't promote other wrestlers or even the rest of the card for the PPV. She of all people should be aware that some of the people who would order the show would order it because they wanted to see the athletic performances and might not give a hoot about the "entertainment" aspects of the product. While she herself might be thrilled at the prospect of headlining a PPV in a match with her father (and by talking about only that match, she is treating it like it's the main event), I think that as an executive of the company, she's not doing them any favors by ignoring Angle/Cena or Undertaker/Lesner, etc.
Call it women's intuition, but I think Steph would rather be an actress than a writer for a wrestling show. She seemed to present herself as a young, up-and-coming starlet on Kimmel rather than somebody trying to get buys for the product as a package.
BTW - I checked the tape, and you were right about the color of the shirt. Still, I was right on the buttoned-down/buttoned-up part.
As far as the Catholic bit - I was responding to initial question about how other Catholics might respond to Father James Mitchell's New Church inferences. The bit about Stephanie in the church is something that as one Catholic woman to another, she could understand. Besides, it was written tongue in cheek, and I'm sorry you didn't understand that.
I don't necessarily feel that the WWE doesn't do ANYTHING right, and that TNA is better. I'm not what you'd call a Russo fan. It's just that lately it seems to me that the quality of the "entertainment" - the writing aspect - has gone down quite a bit. They seem to be losing fans, and I think that's a shame and something that could possibly be fixed. Maybe they should just try featuring the family less often.
I hope this clears up a few things for you.

Kathy
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