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#41 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.14
The GREAT Houdini of Hardcore was very entertaining in that he was the one always winning the belt out of no where. Just like the magician Harry Houdini, Crash Holly, the Houdini of Hardcore couldn't escape death. Ah, a very sad lose.

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#42 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
Ever since his release, Crash was giving these radio interviews that were really out there and all over the place. They were really rather bizarre and I guess this might explain his behaviour.

It's always sad to see someone go so young. I'll reserve any other comments until after we know what caused his death. You never know, he could have just had too much to drink that night or had a bad reaction to something. Maybe he didn't have a drug problem. Of course, this is wrestling and we probably know better but I'd like to wait and see on this one.

One of my favorite stories about Lockwood was when WWF wanted to give Vic Grimes a tryout match. Lockwood came as his opponent and made Grimes look so good that Grimes got a job but they quickly realized that Lockwood had all the talent and quickly signed him as well despite being so small.
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#43 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.42
I'm sad about this whole deal of wrestler dropping by like flies almost weekly.

Will I miss Crash Holly? Sure. He was a gifted wrestler, but in a sea of gifted wrestlers only too willing to grab undercard sport to feed their families, Michael Lockwood chose the easy path.

I know it's cool to just add a little comment for the weekly deceased "frat" (piper'll obviously blame this on The Sickness), but I know I won't be crying when I'll hear about Scott Hall, Jake Roberts or Jeff Hardy, always so fond and open to his drug use almost as a medal to show to friends.

I'm not crying for Crash Holly, either.

Life on the road is difficult. Wrestlers have got families at home and obstacles to fight all year long.

now take, for example, a guy like me.

I wake up every morning at 6:00. Work my ass off for 8/9 hours to help my mother run things home and, hopefully someday, create a life of my own. I don't go out fridays and saturdays so I won't spend money, only conceding myself a few little luxuries like a beer with friends once a month. My car is down. I'm fat, got a third grade intelligence and don't even have a bank account, since I'd essentially pay the bank to keep money I don't have. Lost a third of my family in the span of just 2 years and, to conclude, I'm not the nicest guy in the world.

But I don't drink, don't do drugs and carry on, at least I try.

Crash, Hawk, Jake, Curt and Scott. They got big money contracts (sorry, but compared to the common paychecks I receive every month, Crash's one was a rich man), had families and someone willing to cheer them.

I respect a guy like Regal and Guerrero, who looked themselves in the mirror and saw someone they didn't quite like. They tried to change and were successfull at it.

I'll never respect a guy like Hall, who just pissed money, family, fame and fortune because he, basically, is just a pussy.

You think Mike Lockwood had it bad? ask Stevie Richards, who toiled the indies all his life, who had major surgery to fuse his spine in his 20s and is still seen as a comedy act.

Ask Mike Modest who, according to Beyond the Mat, carried cadavers to support himself while wrestling.

Wanna know a real role model? I'll pick one for you... his name was Blitkrieg. He used to have great spotfests in WCW circa '99. One day he woke up and just said himself "fuck this wrestling shit". he retired, went into the computer business and, as far as I know, never looked back.

I pray for Lockwood's family, especially for his daughter, who I hope will never know his father died by choking on his own vomit.

but as far as I'm concerned, Owen Hart remains the only casuality in a biz made of cons, drug abusers and irresponsable role models for youth.

RIP.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.65
Perhaps, on the occasion of a wrestler's death, it's not the best time to try to put yourself over.

With a column.

Made up mostly of paragraphs that are one sentence.

Or even just a sentence fragment.

Perhaps threads like this shouldn't become competitions to see who loved whoever died the most.

Or who can provide the best story.

Or who can sound the most sensitive with their florid prose.

No one's ever HAPPY that someone has died, but at the same time there shouldn't be any pressure felt, or preceived obligation to add your two bits lest people stop wondering why you haven't SAID anything yet...ESPECIALLY given that it's not even someone you knew personally, it was a guy you saw on TV months ago. It's even worse when people come on knowing NOTHING about the circumstances of the death, yet USING it - using it as fuel for wild speculation and/or extrapolation about causes and trends and for what, really? To get themselves over? For a "Contributor" tag from my brother? Geez, let's hope not. Of course, now I'M speculating, so perhaps it's time to close it up.





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#45 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.89
Just an opinion. I'm not putting myself over for a tag, but for the simple fact that this is the only sentiment after a few years of "fatal" deaths. Sorry to ponint out there's a dark side here and there. I don't think it's very respectful to remember the good times but not the bad ones that contributed to someone's death.

it's called reality.

And please, please don't accuse me of "writing a column" just for a few paragraphs made of one sentences. that's called writing, not "putting myself over".

Hope I don't get banned for having an opinion.

sorry if I seemed disrespectful, let's continue and cut this brief interruption.

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    Originally posted by TheItalianJob
    I'm not putting myself over for a tag, but for the simple fact that this is the only sentiment after a few years of "fatal" deaths.




Are there non-fatal deaths of which I am unaware?



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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.85
Ah man, this is no good. Condolences to friends and family.

Not trying to be smart: Gee the "choked on own vomit" room in the afterlife has some top people in it.



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#49 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
I was listening to Mark Madden's radio talk show here in Pittsburgh earlier. A caller asked him what he thought of Crash Holly's death.

Madden just replied: "Just another wrestler who couldn't handle all the drugs he took."



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.99
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    I was listening to Mark Madden's radio talk show here in Pittsburgh earlier. A caller asked him what he thought of Crash Holly's death.

    Madden just replied: "Just another wrestler who couldn't handle all the drugs he took."


And while that's probably the truth, Madden's still a prick for saying it now. I remember having to find nice things to say about Strom Thurmond this spring - he can do the same thing.



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#51 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.92

So does everyone just assume that he died of drugs? C'mon, give me a break ... this guy, regardless of if he was Crash Holly or Mad Mikey, he was someone's father ...

Maybe he just had too much to drink (hell, who hasn't) and he paid the ultimate sacrifice. Could have happened to anyone.



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#52 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
such a shame at such a young age....

does anyone else wonder how many more will pass before somebody in a position of power will take some sort of action?

i know Holly wasn't in the WWE when he died, but it seems to me that at one point somebody has to look at the long list of deaths and try to correct this; be it Vince, or TNA, or some indy promoter, somebody has to check in and at the very least talk to these guys and try to remedy this bad situation that every dead wrestler seems to end up in... in an evil look at this (and you have to figure that lots of promoters are looking at the business side over the personal side), isn't this passing yet another bad P.R. case for pro wrestling?

someone has got to take action, and here's hoping that someone does soon.....

and to react to the pervious posts: no, this is not my audition for the board; i've written on Slash before; i just wanted to offer up my opinion.



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#53 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
It's possible that he could have died of a heart attck. When you weigh over 450 pounds that's always a risk.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.10
    Originally posted by j9479
    it seems to me that at one point somebody has to look at the long list of deaths and try to correct this; be it Vince, or TNA, or some indy promoter, somebody has to check in and at the very least talk to these guys and try to remedy this bad situation that every dead wrestler seems to end up in


As far as I know, the WWE does offer drug treatment to it's guys who need it. They only release someone when they've either failed it, or when they refuse it, because at that point they become a ticking time bomb.


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#55 Posted on
What can WWE do? Almost all of these wrestlers that died weren't employed by the WWE at the time of death. It doesnt fall on the shoulders of the company but on the shoulders of the wrestlers. They are in charge of their own lives, not Vince and the WWE.



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Since: 12.2.03
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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
What a thing to find upon returning to the internet after a few days. Unbelievable. God, I just watched this guy on Smackdown and Velocity a few months ago. Its Little Crash for goodness sake, I mean, just...man.

Sigh. Rest in Peace.
So unfair.



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#57 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.57
I just found this story on one of our local Philly news stations site:

http://www.nbc10.com/entertainment/2621981/detail.html

It says that Crash was found unconscious in bed at Stevie's house, and also mentions that he's had a history of heart problems, which is something I hadn't heard before. Nothing on it disparaging to either guy, so maybe Philly isn't as heartless as some people think.

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#58 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
I think you read that wrong. It said that Road Warrior Hawk had a history of heart problems.
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#59 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
I'm sure many are going to say "Just another sign of WWE". But this really doesn't seem like the Big 2 concern most have with wrestlers today. He didn't look like he over did it with the steroids, he was in good shape but not freaky shape... And as much as I respect anybody who gets in the ring, his schedule and physical output never seemed to be over the top for me. Even in the peak of his career his hardcore run was very cartoonish.

From many accounts his vice was alcohol. He loved partying, the problem is as a 6foot9 man can just sleep it off, Crash intake would effect him a lot more short term. WWE even played up on this (which they seem to like to do on occasion of taking quirks of the talent and throwing it out there) during the very short run Drunken Holly cousin when Crash would keep messing up and being not in condition to perform and would lose his tag match with Bob, and Bob would beat him up afterward... I'm thinking along the lines it went from haha look at the little guy get plastered to we could have a problem here.

Him being in Stevie's home is interesting, I know they were very good friends and travel partners when they were on the same brand and pre-split. Like someone mentioned here they used to do audio commentary online... Stevie wasn't at the T.O houseshow on Friday but he wasn't scheduled to be on anyways.

I was at the T.O houseshow and D-von seemed very emotional after his match pointing skywards after their win.



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#60 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Perhaps, on the occasion of a wrestler's death, it's not the best time to try to put yourself over.

    With a column.

    Made up mostly of paragraphs that are one sentence.

    Or even just a sentence fragment.

    Perhaps threads like this shouldn't become competitions to see who loved whoever died the most.

    Or who can provide the best story.

    Or who can sound the most sensitive with their florid prose.

    No one's ever HAPPY that someone has died, but at the same time there shouldn't be any pressure felt, or preceived obligation to add your two bits lest people stop wondering why you haven't SAID anything yet...ESPECIALLY given that it's not even someone you knew personally, it was a guy you saw on TV months ago. It's even worse when people come on knowing NOTHING about the circumstances of the death, yet USING it - using it as fuel for wild speculation and/or extrapolation about causes and trends and for what, really? To get themselves over? For a "Contributor" tag from my brother? Geez, let's hope not. Of course, now I'M speculating, so perhaps it's time to close it up.




Z, your avatar makes me smile. Crash Holly did, too. I never got a chance to see him in TNA, but his matches in 2000 & 2001 on RAW were always fun to watch. Hopefully they can find out what exactly caused his death and everyone in the wrestling community can learn from it, just like they should've (and hopefully have) learned from the unfortunate demises of other great wrestlers.

RIP



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