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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.82
OK this sucks ass another lost and a cool one too. Man I am lost for words.

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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.29
Wow. Just wow.

A few thoughts about Mike Lockwood stick out right now. I remember watching him at KOTR (maybe 2000 or 2001, the one Kurt Angle won), and remembering how well he'd taken the 24-7 gimmick and it had won a spot as a legitimate mid-card star. Then, I remember reading about how he was suspended or in trouble with management because he was falling asleep at autograph signings or somesuch. There were rumors of drugs and partying even back then.

Crash personified a comedy wrestler, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. If you'd ever seen Crash at a house show, the body language he uses, the moves, everything -- he was just freaking hilarious. Even his last WWE gimmick when he was the third member of Mattitude was just classic.

I'm not going to say the same things everyone else will say about the numerous wrestling deaths this year. It's too depressing. And it's a no-brainer by now.

I'm going to fire up the 'extras' section of my WWF Hardcore DVD. Crash Holly at his finest. Rest in peace.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.05
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
    Wow. Just wow.

    A few thoughts about Mike Lockwood stick out right now. I remember watching him at KOTR (maybe 2000 or 2001, the one Kurt Angle won), and remembering how well he'd taken the 24-7 gimmick and it had won a spot as a legitimate mid-card star. Then, I remember reading about how he was suspended or in trouble with management because he was falling asleep at autograph signings or somesuch. There were rumors of drugs and partying even back then.

    Crash personified a comedy wrestler, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. If you'd ever seen Crash at a house show, the body language he uses, the moves, everything -- he was just freaking hilarious. Even his last WWE gimmick when he was the third member of Mattitude was just classic.

    I'm not going to say the same things everyone else will say about the numerous wrestling deaths this year. It's too depressing. And it's a no-brainer by now.

    I'm going to fire up the 'extras' section of my WWF Hardcore DVD. Crash Holly at his finest. Rest in peace.


Agreed on the house show thing. I saw Crash face The Hurricane in November '01 (right after the Survivor Series that signaled the end of the Invasion) and despite the match being the curtain jerker, Crash did everything in his power to entertain the fans, including Hulking Up after some brief opening offense by Hurricane and hitting him with the big boot/legdrop... only to get two. That along with his other stuff such as the 24-7 hardcore gimmick showed to me that he was able to take a "lemon" position in the company and turn it into lemonade.

RIP Crash. Thanks for the memories. :\



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
The current BWF Women's Champion says:


*sighs* I remember when I went to a house show a year or two ago and Crash Holly was in a six man tag team match with the Big Show and D'Lo Brown (I think) on his side against Tommy Dreamer, Justin Credible, and Stevie Richards. But what I remember best from the match is when two of the wrestlers had each other in a grapple hold, then Crash Holly goes underneath his partner, gets in the middle of the two, and pokes the opponent in the eye, then runs back. And the match was filled with more silly antics, but that was the one I remember the most.


Crash Holly dead? Whoa...



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...Never ends...

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.74
Oh, CRAP. This one--I don't know what to say. The guy had a whole life ahead of him. Thirty-four. I had just started really LIVING about then.

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#28 Posted on
But what can WWE do? All the wrestlers that die have been released. Maybe instead of releasing them when they are facing problems they should help them get fixed, like the did with Gurrero and Regal.

I hope that Jeff Hardy isnt next....



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54

    But what can WWE do? All the wrestlers that die have been released. Maybe instead of releasing them when they are facing problems they should help them get fixed, like the did with Gurrero and Regal.

    I hope that Jeff Hardy isnt next....


This is an unfortunate Catch-22. WWE releases guys that they don't feel can help them, and Crash Holly and the 2003 version of Curt Hennig fall into that category (especially when combined with their bad attitudes in public appearances and whatnot). This just starts their downward spiral that perhaps leads them to have one more drink or one more hit when they shouldn't, and thus leads to their tragic deaths.

Regal and Guerrero are different cases, since WWE also released them outright, but they were able to pull themselves together of their own volition and once they had proved they were back, WWE gave them the second chance and they both ran with the ball. This is not a condemnation of Lockwood or any of the other dead wrestlers, since I can't imagine what trying to combat an addiction while living the pro wrestling lifestyle must be like.

Also, could we stop the constant "Jeff Hardy is an O.D. waiting to happen" comments? The only official word we've ever heard about Jeff Hardy's release is that WWE fired him because his heart was clearly no longer in it and his work was getting progressively sloppier. There's no evidence to say that drugs were behind this. It's pretty bad form to make a comment like this just after someone else's death. If you want to join a Death Pool, go to some other website where people have a bit less class.

Sorry to go off like this, but I never understood why everyone assumed that since Jeff had the gimmick of a raver that he went backstage every night and had truckloads of E.



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Way, way too young...
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
Not to add fuel; but J.R. actually stated on OTR that Jeff was released because he refused to take (or failed) a drug test.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.20
    Originally posted by Big Bad

      But what can WWE do? All the wrestlers that die have been released. Maybe instead of releasing them when they are facing problems they should help them get fixed, like the did with Gurrero and Regal.

      I hope that Jeff Hardy isnt next....


    This is an unfortunate Catch-22. WWE releases guys that they don't feel can help them, and Crash Holly and the 2003 version of Curt Hennig fall into that category (especially when combined with their bad attitudes in public appearances and whatnot). This just starts their downward spiral that perhaps leads them to have one more drink or one more hit when they shouldn't, and thus leads to their tragic deaths.

    Regal and Guerrero are different cases, since WWE also released them outright, but they were able to pull themselves together of their own volition and once they had proved they were back, WWE gave them the second chance and they both ran with the ball. This is not a condemnation of Lockwood or any of the other dead wrestlers, since I can't imagine what trying to combat an addiction while living the pro wrestling lifestyle must be like.

    Also, could we stop the constant "Jeff Hardy is an O.D. waiting to happen" comments? The only official word we've ever heard about Jeff Hardy's release is that WWE fired him because his heart was clearly no longer in it and his work was getting progressively sloppier. There's no evidence to say that drugs were behind this. It's pretty bad form to make a comment like this just after someone else's death. If you want to join a Death Pool, go to some other website where people have a bit less class.

    Sorry to go off like this, but I never understood why everyone assumed that since Jeff had the gimmick of a raver that he went backstage every night and had truckloads of E.


Not to take the emphasis off Crash, but Jim Ross has more or less said blatantly that Jeff Hardy refused to seek counseling for his "issues". Issues are drugs, no one gets counseling for motivation problems. Meltz and Keller pretty much have agreed on this numerous times. I'm not saying it's in good taste to suggest Jeff Hardy is next on the wrestler death watch list, but it's not entirely unfounded to say he may have issues that have got to be dealt with sooner rather than later.

That said, if he choked on his vomit (Crash), he must have tried to sleep with a substance in him. The lead singer of Drowning Pool died the same way not too long ago. All you can say in these situations is that they suck, but I can't feel one hundred percent pity for people who go out like this. They're adults, and they have to find alternative solutions to dealing with their personal challenges, be they mental, physical, psychological or whatever else. Drugs and alcohol, as has been proven time in, time out, and time again, are not the answer. They make things worse over and over and over.

Crash was part of a newer generation of guys who saw what the effects could be and still chose to go that dangerous route, and that mistake cost him his life. He wasn't like a crop of guys from the 80's who took this cocktail of alcohol, cocaine, and steroids and didn't know what the long-term effects were going to be. He knew. Keller has said that 90% of the guys in the locker room believe there won't be this death problem later on, because the younger guys saw what happened to the last generation and aren't going to make those mistakes. So the understanding is there among the wrestlers of today, and is discussed among the wrestlers of today. It was right there in front of him and he didn't get the hint, or ignored it. So yes, I feel bad for him and his family and any friends he might have had, but at least part of me is out-and-out angry that as a man he couldn't have made a mature decision to be better than this. To put trash in his body in a friends house knowing what could happen.

But, as we always say in these situations, we can only hope that others learn from these mistakes. Many have. A few won't. And this is what happens to the latter.






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My thoughts and prayers to Crash's family, and to Stevie as well, as I dont know what he is going through. I remember listening to Crash and Stevie go at each other on stevie's website on his online audio commentaries. Those were always a riot, and good for a laugh. There was one with just Crash though and in it you can tell how much he cared for his family especially for his kid (I believe daughter). Just another premature death that could have been prevented, and it is a shame.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
This isn't some joke? Wow. I really enjoyed Mad Mikey's bits, and of course I got a charge out of his 24-7 stint. I think he should've been the only guy who had the 24-7 title reign. Well... fortunately, I got lots of his stuff, and... You sure this isn't some sick joke? Okay... ::sigh::

My condolences go to the folks who know him.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
Damn...

Damn, damn, damn and quintuple damn.

I always thought Crash was an awesome wrestler. He was almost subtle slapstick. Sometimes he would go over the top with things (like over selling, or big facial expressions) and other times it would be something less obvious.

One of my favorite things was when he would enter the ring. He would climb the ropes at the corner from the outside of the ring. One rope at a time. Get to the top. Turn. Decend on the inside of the ring. One rope at a time.

I just hope they have a coffin that can hold 400 lbs.



I hope it's not drugs. But it does "appear" that way. Sad really. But I agree with Hogan's My Dad on the issue. People in this day and age know what drugs do to your body. Someone who was as fit as Crash would definately know. You don't get to be 400 lbs. of muscle and not know what is and what is NOT healthy.



Condolences to the Lockwood family.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.05
Damn. I don't even know what to say. The boys and girls up there must've needed a true super-heavywieght to take care of business. I will always remember when he battled the Headbangers in that giant playground. Crash, Mad Mikey, or whatever other moniker you went by, you were a class act, and once refered by Dory Funk Jr.'s wife as the most disciplined worker in the sport.
RIP Crash.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.72
    Originally posted by Snookum
    Although most of the audience seemed to ignore the match, I noticed that Crash kept talking to Jaqueline as they wrestled. What he was saying, I have no idea, but eventually Jaqueline got a case of the giggles. From there it was a beautiful match to watch - Jaqueline trying desperately to stay in character and show pain, while Crash continued to make her laugh throughout the remainder of the match.


Damn. That reminds me of what Foley used to say about...Owen.

And anybody going out the same way Tommy Dorsey did is just heartbreaking. Condolences to the family.

We'll miss you, Crash.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
Jeebus...this is getting out of hand!







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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.12

I had always hoped that he'd come back and team with Bob Holly to reform the Holly cousins ...

man this sucks ... I just saw him live a couple of months ago when he teams with Shark Boy in NWA-TNA.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.50
Like it or not the WWE seems to have a pretty good grip on who's on the way out Hening was released and or not pushed, The Bulldog was let go, Hawk had a one show appearance and now Crash. The only time they've really been nailed was with Pillman. It's speculation of course, but maybe they see these things coming.

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