Should Philadelphia have kept him too then? I mean, there's a reason this keeps happening and it's not that his teams get sick of too much winning (when neither one even made the playoffs in his last seasons with them).
Maybe I'm missing something - and if I am, by all means someone PLEASE point it out to me - but was Owens' stay in Dallas as bad as his stay in Philly? Or even San Fran?
He and Parcells didn't get along obviously, but I thought things were better - MUCH better - once he left for Miami. I didn't really hear about anything negative going on between Owens and Romo or Owens and the coaching staff. The former seems especially important since Owens' crappy relationships with Garcia and McNabb were the main reasons he ended up leaving those teams.
This move just stupifies me. The Cowboys didn't make the playoffs, but I attribute that more to the semi-failed Adam Jones experiment, a bad trade for Roy Williams, and Romo having a crappy backup, not to anything that's Owens' fault.
I didn't really hear about anything negative going on between Owens and Romo or Owens and the coaching staff.
What were you up to in December and do you receive the sports channel?
If you're talking about stuff between T.O. and Romo, compared to what happened in San Fran and Philly that was but a minor squabble. I guess instead of saying "I didn't really hear about anything negative" etc. I should have said "I didn't really hear MUCH" etc. You can hear far worse arguing going on between players at any given time on any given team.
If you're talking about T.O. (allegedly) leading a mutiny against the offensive coordinator (complaining about the Romo-Witten lovefest), well, I guess I forgot about that. The only thing I'd say about that is that it wasn't just T.O. complaining about that. From what I recall the other receivers had beef too, and what's more it seemed like all parties involved tried to sweep it under the rug within a week. Still not enough to dump your #1 receiver when you don't have jack else to rely on. Unless the plan is to sign Torry Holt AND Marvin Harrison this week.
Originally posted by StingArmyIf you're talking about T.O. (allegedly) leading a mutiny against the offensive coordinator (complaining about the Romo-Witten lovefest), well, I guess I forgot about that. The only thing I'd say about that is that it wasn't just T.O. complaining about that. From what I recall the other receivers had beef too
The main problem was that Owens went to the media about his suspicions rather than keep quiet about it like the others did.
Rule #1. If you have a problem with somebody on the team, then go to that person yourself (or the coaching staff) and try to rectify the problem. Keep it in house rather than airing it out to the media.
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Originally posted by StingArmyIf you're talking about T.O. (allegedly) leading a mutiny against the offensive coordinator (complaining about the Romo-Witten lovefest), well, I guess I forgot about that. The only thing I'd say about that is that it wasn't just T.O. complaining about that.
And that, good sir, is the problem right there. This is what TO's caused everywhere he's been. Players who previously had no serious problem with the organisation start to develop one as soon as TO throws his toys out the pram.
He doesn't formally organise mutinies, and he doesn't go around being a dick. If he did, he would be much less of a problem. When he comes into a team he's one of the most charismatic and friendly guys you could hope to meet. He takes younger players under his wing, he offers help to guys with personal issues. He's popular, very popular in fact, and particularly with the squad players in a team.
Then, when TO decides he isn't happy after a year or so (because he loses a game/doesn't have 25 passes thrown his way/someone borrows his good hat without permission...whatever really) you aren't dealing with one unhappy player but half a team of them. Heck, the Eagles only just got rid of one of TOs accolytes yesterday when they punted Greg Lewis to the Pats after he spent the last season or two pouting at the media and racking up special teams penalties.
And TOs problems are ALL about jealousy. There are two things he doesn't like - people with more power than him, and talented guys at skill positions on the O. These people are a threat to the almighty TO and must be discredited.
Andy Reid, Brad Childress, Donovan McNabb, Tony Romo, Jason Witten, Jason Garrett.....all disparaged by TO, and all in public. The only top teir "skill position" offensive player he hasn't had a problem with these past couple of years was Brian Westbrook, and arguably he wasn't at that level back in 04. Besides, hating #36 would be like kicking a puppy. How could ya? (insert Michael Vick joke here).
But cutting through all of that, we're talking about a guy who has a 100% record of pissing off former teams. A guy who routinely calls out teammates and coaches. A guy who's pushing 36. A guy whose numbers declined and barely scraped 1000 yards last year. A guy who two talented teams brought in to take them over the hump, who since went 0-3 in the playoffs when he's been on the field. A guy who hasn't won a playoff game since January 2003.
Saying he's been better in Dallas than he was in Philly is like saying Pacman Jones didn't get arrested as much while he was a Cowboy as he did at the Titans. Big whoops. He's still a tosser.
TO was brought in as a short-term solution by two teams, and instead created long-term problems at both.
Balance all that against keeping your franchise QB and All-Pro TE happy and this wasn't even a choice for the Cowboys.
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Originally posted by StaggerLeeHe should go to Carolina on a one year deal. Who are you going to double team? Him or Steve Smith?
And, once you have them two covered, how are you going to stop the two headed running back monsters they have?
It could make them a super bowl contender immediately.
They already ARE a Super Bowl contender without Owens. Carolina most likely has eyes on Torry Holt, who would be a much better fit for them than Owens since Holt runs better routes than Owens and is not crazy like Owens.
Holt and Smith with Williams and Stewart would be much better for the Carolina psyche than Owens. Plus Holt would sign cheaper than owens too.
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Watching Holt this season was almost sad. Not sure if he was hurt and didn't say anything or not, but he was clearly a shell of the receiver he once was. I know he's a HOF lock, but last season, he was just sad.
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