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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.23
Come on...who can say no to 80 pages for ONE DOLLAR? Especially when it's the pivotal starting point of the new DC storyline.

Great start to it. Had me thinking it would be a cliched story arc (Blue Beetle gets no respect, so he eventually saves the day), but I was thrown off by the ending.

Notable notes:
-Batman implies that he knows about the JLA wiping his mind clean and begins to express that he no longer trusts his JLA allies.
-Adam Strange calls in a distress signal. Before Martian Manhunter can send in backup in the form of Hawkgirl, Strange explains that it's the Thanagarians that are invading.
-Booster Gold dons his costume for the first time since Sue Dibny's untimely death. He's later taken out by a laptop explosion.
-A new team of villains (the rumored Secret Society reformation, but not called as such) has formed. This incarnation includes Lex Luthor, Talia Head, The Calculator, Doctor Psycho, DEATHSTROKE~!, and Black Adam! Oh yeah, almost forgot to mention Dr. Light...and man, is he pissed!
-Maxwell Lord reveals that he's played the metahuman members of the JLA for puppets for years. The only non-metahuman threat was Batman and his mind was wiped, thereby straining his relations with the JLA. He offers Blue Beetle a chance to join in his nefarious plans, but shoots him in the head when Beetle turns him down.

Is it the best DC one-shot to ever come along? Of course not. But again, it's 80 pages for a measly buck, and it's a great start to what's sure to be a good story arc.




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.62
And following Countdown...

-The Rann/Thanagar War
-The OMAC Project
-Day of Vengeance
-Villains United

And THOSE minis lead into Infinite Crisis. There's also Geoff Johns & Allan Heinberg doing a 6-issue run on JLA finally dealing with Batman confronting the JLA about the midwipe...which leads into Infinite Crisis.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
This story is very intriguing. One thing I'm liking is how almost every DC book is tied into the main story in a very subtle way. For example, in the latest Batman comic, the Red Hood is revealed as the one who stole Kord's case of Kryptonite. Also the freeing of the Spectre from Hal Jordan leads into his new miniseries, Dr.Light's been in Teen Titans, Flash has been dealing with Identity Crisis all this time, and it looks like most of the DC books will be tied together all this year.

I'm really looking forward to OMAC. I'm hoping most of the stories will be self-contained enough so I don't have to buy tons of comics just to keep up with the story.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.13
SPOILERS LIKE FREAKING CRAZY:
Concerns: Batman (Red Hood identity), DC Countdown

I found this issue to be heroically tragic, especially with the ending, and it's truly one of the best kick-offs to a storyline I've read in a long, long time. I hope that Marvel can at least make House of M half as intriguing, but somehow doubt it. I'm worried it's going to be more of an excuse to kill off some of the "dead weight" in the Marvel Universe.

Oh, anyway, DC Countdown.

From what I've been told/read/heard, DC's going to make a conceited effort to make sure that you don't have to keep up with every regular title to know what the Hell's going on. So that's good. Beetle's demise was an incredibly moving moment, especially in light of his less-than-kind treatment by other current and former Leaguers. I hope the emphasis placed on the Blue Scarab doesn't mean they'll revive Beetle in some form, because that would take away from that moment a great deal. I also really hope that when there's a moment, Booster Gold gets the chance to verbally rip some JLA members a new one for their dismissal of Beetle's concerns. Hell, if Martian Manhunter so much as emitted a strange smell from one of his other-worldly farts they'd have Batman analyzing it in his lab for weeks.

On a quick sidenote, reading JLA: Classified was odd enough with Sue Dibny's character around. Now we have to watch Blue Beetle bounce jokes off his murderer, Max Lord. Truly morbid entertainment.

As far as the four mini-series go, it's going to be interesting to see which ones really flesh out and become important.

Villains United - This has the potential to be the best of the minis being released as a prelude to the real Crisis. Certainly the continued evolution of the Dr. Light character, as well as many other villains affected by Identity Crisis, will be key. However, what I think is even more interesting is Doctor Psycho mentioning in Countdown that bringing Cold in for it would be key since the Rogues would immediately fall in line behind him. The Flash title this week kicked off The Rogues War, which was an interesting read...it'll be even more interesting what Cold would make of such an offer. Would he jump at the opportunity to wreak some real havoc as part of the most powerful group ever assembled, or will his pride as a "rogue" prevent that? It'll certainly be the most interesting as far as character development goes.

The OMAC Project - Interesting to see what the rest of the JLA (and Hell, the entire DC superhero community) make of Batman's little "project." Especially considering that many of the files contained within it involved superheroes who weren't even involved in his mind-wipe. Also note that with the creation of this project, and his treatment of Beetle, Batman seemed to lose any and all sympathy he might have gained as a result of Identity Crisis. JLA will certainly be an interesting title after this is over.

Day of Judgment - The Spectre, without a human host to ground it, goes absolutely nuts and attacks anybody with abilities in magic in the DC Universe along one of its most powerful villains. Not even GOB is safe. Should prove interesting (wow, sounding a bit like a broken record).

The Rann/Thanagar War - I'm sure it'll be explained within the series itself, but I fail to see how Rann and Thanagar being manipulated into a war is going to greatly affect the entire DC Universe. Let me rephrase that - I fail to see how it's going to greatly affect aspects of the DC Universe that I care about.

And how about Jason Todd returning as the Red Hood (who as someone mentioned previously was responsible for stealing all the kryptonite from Kord's warehouse)? I'm surprised they pulled the trigger this early, and wonder how that's going to play into all this.

Only one issue in (an introduction to the prelude no less) and DC's already got us all wound up about Infinite Crisis. Good job all around.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 2.4.05 0136)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.68
Hey Deputy,

swiped from you:
"SPOILERS LIKE FREAKING CRAZY:
Concerns: Batman (Red Hood identity), DC Countdown"


Did you notice the tie in between the new Batman issue and Countdown?

Kord says there was about 100 pounds of Kryptonite stolen from his warehouse in Countdown. And in Batman, Red Hood had 100 pounds of Kryptonite for sale. I can't remember if they explicitly noted Kord in Batman though... but an interesting tie in, shows they really thought this out.... minus the whole Hal Jordan being back already without the last few issues of Green Lantern Rebirth being out yet.


About Batman...

I wonder if their going to place his return during Death in the Family (when Bruce sends Jason's body back to America), or back in HUSH.

From what I read Winick said there is a point in HUSH that he took that can be where Jason appears in the story. Upon rereading it I saw that during the fight with Jason Batman loses him in the city for a bit and that is probably where Jason and the Clayface Jason switch up.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
Well, before we go praising DC for continuity and planning things out, I'm still expecting resolutions to some Identity Crisis bullsh, errrrrrr, confusions:

1- Since when does EVERY hero know Tim Drake's ID? It's been six months and I still haven't heard ONE remotely acceptable explanation for this.

2- When did Dr. Light get downgraded to his old 1980's self? Remember the "flashing forehead" Dr. Light, who was amped up in "Underworld:Unleashed", kinda' looked like a white Firestorm, and appeared like that as recently as 2002?

Also, regarding Red Hood... not too original and you saw it coming, but I still got a chuckle when he removed his hood and was wearing a MASK. Reminded me of the old GI Joe cartoons when Zartan would take off a skin-tight rubber mask to reveal his hood and facepaint.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.13
    Originally posted by cringe
    Did you notice the tie in between the new Batman issue and Countdown?


    Originally posted by me
    And how about Jason Todd returning as the Red Hood (who as someone mentioned previously was responsible for stealing all the kryptonite from Kord's warehouse)?


Heh, yep.

The theory of him and Clayface Todd switching up during Hush seems to make sense, and it wouldn't surprise me if that's where they went with it. It'll be interesting for them to explain how Jason Todd survived, or came back to life. I'm hoping it's the case of the former rather than the latter, because people being resurrected from the dead is one of the things that irritates me about Marvel (even though I technically subscribe to more Marvel than DC series right now).

    Originally posted by estragand
    1- Since when does EVERY hero know Tim Drake's ID? It's been six months and I still haven't heard ONE remotely acceptable explanation for this.

    2- When did Dr. Light get downgraded to his old 1980's self? Remember the "flashing forehead" Dr. Light, who was amped up in "Underworld:Unleashed", kinda' looked like a white Firestorm, and appeared like that as recently as 2002?

    Also, regarding Red Hood... not too original and you saw it coming, but I still got a chuckle when he removed his hood and was wearing a MASK. Reminded me of the old GI Joe cartoons when Zartan would take off a skin-tight rubber mask to reveal his hood and facepaint.


1. Pretty much every Leaguer and Titan know each other's identities, so I never really put too much thought into it honestly. And Hell, we all know that Batman isn't the best guy to keep one's secret identity under wraps with (re: Countdown). Good point though.

2. They really didn't do all that much to paint Light as a badass after "Underworld Unleashed." They amped up his powers, but still had him painted as a sort of cowardly villain. If you'll recall he was locked in Green Lantern's power battery, and when Rayner set him free and asked him to help during the "Final Night" arc, he just freaked out and ran away. You have to look less at the amplifications of his power and more at the actual character, which was still portrayed as pretty useless up until "Identity Crisis." I could be mistaken, however, since I can't say I've read every single Dr. Light appearance between the "Final Night" storyline and "Identity Crisis."

And...yeah. That WAS pretty ridiculous. Although in following issues they could explain that he wanted to wear it so that Joker was absolutely clear who was beating the ever-loving Hell out of him. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Speaking of tie-ins to Countdown, am I the only one wondering if Zoom asking Jay Garrick to re-construct the Cosmic Treadmill (I'm assuming those are the blueprints Zoom had) in the latest issue of The Flash is going to somehow lead to the real Infinite Crisis? Especially considering how during the "Blitz" story in the Flash, Garrick explained that Zoom's continued activities might wreak havoc on the timeline?

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 3.4.05 1733)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41

As I said in the DVDVR Countdown thread, I'd love it if someone it wasn't Jason Todd but the earth-2 Robin.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.13
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
    Originally posted by Deputy Marshall
    1. Pretty much every Leaguer and Titan know each other's identities, so I never really put too much thought into it honestly. And Hell, we all know that Batman isn't the best guy to keep one's secret identity under wraps with (re: Countdown). Good point though.

This is going to sound like I'm being hard, Marsh...but I'm not being hard on YOU, just the story.

The problem I have with that theory is Batman himself. Since CRISIS, he's been more secretive, and I'd have a hard time figuring Batman would knowingly reveal Robin's secret ID to all of his colleagues. Maybe the core JLA--like Superman, Wonder Woman and J'onn... but not to the reserves, like Atom, Elongated Man and Zatanna. Guys who he hasn't worked with on a close basis since Tim's been Robin. Tim came on board as Robin in late 1989. Batman last worked in the satellite JLA in 1985. In the modern JLA (1996 on), it was a big story when Batman revealed himself to the core group (JLA #50 or so). Note that it was a big deal for him to reveal HIS identity.

At first I thought that just the Calculator knew Tim's secret, but for Ray Palmer and Jean Loring to talk in private like they knew all about "Tim's dad"?!! Considering Batman holds himself responsible for the death of his first "new" Robin (Jason Todd), I have a REAL hard time figuring he'd spill the beans about Tim to all of his buddies. Batman's about protecting lives, and I feel it'd be out of character for him to endanger Tim's.

Tim's been portrayed as rather intelligent, so even if he (Tim) revealed his name to his new Titans pals, I doubt he'd mention his father. Tim sticks to Batman's golden rule of protecting the secret identity. The wildcard is Koriand'r (Starfire). She was boinking Nightwing when Tim was Robin. Tim Drake was even present at the Nightwing-Starfire "wedding" in 1993. It's possible Starfire knows "Tim Drake is Robin", but again I don't think she'd go around announcing it to everyone--least of all the Atom and Jean Loring.

Also, the transitive property of "Bruce=Batman, so Tim MUST equal Robin" doesn't hold true. That would work for Dick Grayson, but not for Tim. Dick held a high public profile as Bruce's ward, but Tim has never made any public appearances with Bruce. To anyone outside of the Bat-cave, he'd just be some random kid with no connection to Bruce Wayne.

As for Dr. Light--- I could go easy and figure he just wanted to go back to his old duds. But the "New" Dr. Light was similar to Marvel's Photon/Captain Marvel (Monica Rambeau). He was composed of energy, hence the battery imprisonment. For him to show up as the milksop high school science teacher we saw in "Identity Crisis" was weak. A guy who can convert to any form of energy needs Deathstroke? I was okay when Black Manta reverted from his "mutant manta ray/TMNT rip-off" to his old helmet look. Lotta' love for old Black Manta..but I didn't see the reasoning for Dr. Light.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.27
Batman's identity is retroactively re-known by the JLA due to Brad Meltzer (who even brought it up in his Green Arrow run), that's why Ray & Jean know who he is. Connecting Tim Drake as Robin beyond that is fairly easy.

Tim was also looser with his identity towards the end of Young Justice.




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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
    Originally posted by Mild Mannered Madman
    Batman's identity is retroactively re-known by the JLA due to Brad Meltzer (who even brought it up in his Green Arrow run), that's why Ray & Jean know who he is. Connecting Tim Drake as Robin beyond that is fairly easy.

Again, connecting Dick Grayson to Robin would be easy...but not Tim Drake. It's lazy writing to base a "monumental event that will redefine the DCU" on such a weak connection.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.02
So long as the story actually brings some common sense to the DCU, I'll be thrilled. If you wonder what I mean;

Batman: Since War Games, Bats has been persued as the most wanted man in Gotham. However, he's also been hanging out with Superman and the JLA. So long as in the end of Infinite Crisis we get Batman the loner, as he should be, I don't think I can complain.



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