I say....why not? Sure, he may not be all that great in the ring, but I say give The Big Show the belt at Survivor Series. Have him be the guy who finally pins Brock Lesnar. This is why I say that. They're trying to turn Brock face. They're trying to build up The Big Show as a monster. Just those two facts equal a Big Show win at the Series for me. One thing that none of the spoiler reports for Smackdown have said is that in the first Brock/Show confrontation on the show where TBS backs up and leaves the ring with no physical contact, Show says he's been "advised" not to hurt Brock yet. He even stressed the word "advised". That's a hint. Earlier in the night, Paul Heyman was telling Brock that he could not slam the Show, he could not suplex the Show, and he can NOT BEAT the Show. Heyman is going to turn on Brock in the match costing Brock the title and become Show's "advisor". This gives Show instant heel heat as the guy to beat Brock. This gives Brock instant face sympathy as he's been turned on and has lost the belt. And it also gives Brock as a face the title to chase after, which is how it usually is at it's best; the face challenger is chasing after the belt. Any comments??
Well, it certainly appears (to me at least) that ALL signs are pointing to Lesnar-Angle at Mania, which means that ideally Lesnar would be the face challenger to Angle's heel champion. I think this might actually work, though. Let's do some heavy-duty assumption work here, OK? Big Show beats Lesnar at Survivor Series like you said. Then Edge (yes, Edge) challenges him for the belt at Armageddon, and wins. Lesnar would win the equivalent of the Royal Rumble (I've already laid out a plan somewhere else that involves the real RR) and get a title shot at Mania. Meanwhile on the PPV, Edge successfully defends his title against TBS or Benoit, proving that he's not a fluke champion. Angle steps up and challenges him for No Way Out and takes the strap. There you go. Heel champion Angle defending against face challenger Lesnar. That, I think, would be cool.
Why do I watch? Because every episode has the potential to be the best one ever, and I'll be DAMNED if I'm gonna miss that one after sitting through this shit.
Can you handle Big Show as the "Best-in-the-Business" by having the strap even if it is only for a month.
I see the WM set-up a little more swervy, so as to make picking the winner more difficult
Show loses to Lesnar but Heyman does try and turn on Brock which backfires on Big Show.
Big Show chasing Heyman for a week and Chokeslamming him would end that pretty suddenly and free up Heymen to be Scott Steiners new Agent.
Brock deals with BigShow cleanly at RR and Pencils in Angle as his Wrestlemania opponent due to Angle winning the RR.
Angle is cocky as hell after winning RR and goes around proclaiming himself the next world champion as a foregone conclusion. Brock is furious takes Angle out (Freeing him up for the Olympic training he wants to do) and Benoit is called in as a replacement, having been the RR runner-up
over the next few weeks we see Benoit talking to someone mysterious and they are trying to convince Benoit to give them a shot at his WM shot at No Way Out, stating that he will be taken out and lose his shot anyway if he doesn't give the mystery person a shot at the title.
Benoit concedes and we have at No Way Out...
Lesnar V Edge for the title &
Benoit V ??? for the WM title shot
Brock deals with Edge at No Way Out (NWO, hehe) in a very close contest and attacks him Steel Chair style post-match HOWEVER Benoits opponent turns out to be.... GOLDBERG!!!! GB beats Benoit in a close match Where benoit pulls Goldberg to a ***** star spectacular wrestlefest and this leads to
Lesnar V Goldberg at Mania! Unstoppable V Immovable Un-pinnable Brock V Goldberg who went 176-0
Lesnar makes GB SUBMIT and heads into monster face push
ONWARD TO MEDIOCRITY!!!!! or You Should Write That Down - Van Wilder
Big Slug has one thing going for him, Vince likes big guys. However, after building up Lesnar as an unstoppable monster for 6 months, I doubt the guys first pinfall loss will be at the hands of a guy jobbing to Jeff Hardy a month earlier.
I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
Originally posted by Feely...I hope not. I don't think a Brock face run would do well...at all, really.
Well, based on the reaction I witnessed last night at the Smackdown Tapings, it appears as if the fans already see Brock as a face. He was WAY over against The Big Show. While TBS was doing his little speech thing earlier in the show, the fans even chanted "LES-NAR". Of course, during the Brock/Rey match, there was a pretty big "GOLD-BERG" chant, so who knows.
However, I think it's really, really stupid to have Lesnar as a face already. Lesnar should be unstoppable monster heel from now until Wrestlemania 20, when they can have Face Angle vs. Heel Lesnar for the title, and Angle gets the win. I guess it's ok if they do it at WM 19, but it would just seem cooler if they held it off another year for the "20th Anniversary" show.
Regardless, at the rate Lesnar is going now, he's going to have feuded with everyone there is to feud with by the time WM 19 rolls around, then we'll start seeing reruns which will get boring.
They spent 2 months building up Brock to go over Taker, only to job to a guy who's jobbed to practically everyone else in the company at least 3 times each, and was last seen jobbing to Jeff Hardy on Raw?
That would be, quite frankly, ridiculously stupid.
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The Lesnar loss needs to be a momentous occasion, something which Big Show is genetically incapable of being involved with. The way I see it, there's only a couple of people who might get the first job over Lesnar:
-HHH: I STILL maintain the main event at WM will end up being champion vs. champion, with HHH getting the duke over the unbeatable monster.
-Angle: All the kids seem to think this is WM's main event match, and I could see it happening. Though I think Angle would be the more natural face in this feud, unless they transition Heyman over to him which would be a collosal waste.
-Edge: Assuming the face turn kinda peters out for Lesnar, at some point you would think Edge would reenter the main event picture, and it would be the final touches on him being a truly top guy if he were the one to finally beat Lesnar.
-RVD: Same story as Edge, only somehow would need to be switching brands. They have some backstory already which could be expanded upon.
-Austin: If he ever comes back, not only would he want to prove the point that he was right about not jobbing to Lesnar , but it would be a way to bring him back and show they still want him in the main event.
-Rock: I wouldn't do this, but if he does ever come back maybe they would want to try and work something where he gets his job back, only to job again to Lesnar.
The only purpose to this feud is to watch Brock F5 Big Show. Period. And it's gonna be cool to see him lift him off the ground like that. This is just another notch in Brock's crewcut. They may as well give Big Show a mic and call him Smackdown's #1 announcer, because he has as much chance of going over.
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Originally posted by asteroidboyThe only purpose to this feud is to watch Brock F5 Big Show. Period. And it's gonna be cool to see him lift him off the ground like that. This is just another notch in Brock's crewcut. They may as well give Big Show a mic and call him Smackdown's #1 announcer, because he has as much chance of going over.
Without a diggity doubt. I'm going to Survivor Series, with pretty good seats, and I'll tell ya that if that doesn't happen, I'll be pretty pissed. The weird thing is, as large as Show is, I think we can all agree that Brock will be able to hit him with the F5. You see the way he tossed Taker over his head at No Mercy from the Tombstone position? Holy shit! Brock's a fuckin hoss and a half.
I don't really get the whole "WM must be face Angle v. heel Lesnar" thing. If the Benoit/Angle feud is intended to turn him face, it ain't working; Angle is the more heelish of the two so far. And Angle's face turn during the Invasion got anemic reactions -- people just seem to respond better to him as a heel.
Meanwhile, Lesnar is feuding with TBS, who is definitely a heel, and has megaface Undertaker giving him respect. if that doesn't scream face turn, I don't know what does. Lesnar's never been all that heelish, Hogan feud excepted -- it's Heyman who gets the heat. All Lesnar really has to do to seal a face turn is to F5 Heyman, and the pop will loosen the roof beams.
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It seems there are a lot of assumptions about Brock F5'ing TBS. Recall Booker T when he faced TBS in a no-DQ match recently on PPV. To keep Show down for a pin, he busts out the Houston (Harlem) Hangover!
Hence I am reaaaaally hoping for the Shooting Brock Press.
I love how all of the months-distant fantasy booking always end up with Benoit being in the Main Event picture... I personally don't mind either way how this match turns out. While I agree to work the main event, you have to have a level pf proficiency... I do not agree that "the best worker should be champ." I think that is up to the writers. A Big Show run would be fine with me... as long as they keep up the indestructibility thing they have had going for him over the last few weeks. And the jump to Smackdown was a good idea...
Angle and Beniot continue to bicker and at Survivor Series they drop the belts due to some mis-communication on their part. Edge and Rey are the new champs, setting up Angle vs Beniot for the #1 Contender and Edge/Rey vs Eddie/Chavo for the tag belts in December.
Lesnar beats the Big Show clean via an impressive F5, even though Heyman's interference backfired and almost makes Brock lose. The next few Smackdown!s have Heyman accidently messing up Brock 's matches, although helping him out in an occasion or two still. The Big Show is still giving Brock issues. In December they have a re-match....and Heyman turns on Brock causing him to lose the title, siding with the 'biggest man in sports entertainment'. Plus, Brock never read his contract fully, as his Agent said to 'trust him'. brock has a NO REMATCH clause in his contract, which means whoever beat him for the title he won't be able to face unless he wins the Rumble....and another part of his contract states he can't enter the Rumble, so in effect he's screwed.
Angle beats Beniot, and makes fun of Brock. He and the Big Show feud. with Angle being a tweener. At the Royal Rumble Angle wins the belt and is celebrating. lesnar takes out the Big Show with a chair and gives Angle the bely to belly and F5. Heyman gets punked out and we see the Shooting Star Press to cement Brock's face status.
Rey Rey has knee problems. Angle punks him out after the two are in a tag match and destroys his leg. Rey Rey still says he's ok, when it's obvious he's not. At the PPV, Rey Rey says what we all know, he's too hurt, but he went to the GM and as able to give his spot to someone. Someone who Rey has respect for. And although he drew #1, he thinks the guy still has a shot.
Brock Lesnar, who vows to destroy EVERYONE and get his hands on Angle. Brock goes coast-to-coast and wins the Rumble even though Angle tried to get him out of there.
We need a fuller time for No Way Out....and there's only ONE more way I can think of to help our new face be more over.....and that's put him up against the power of ~RUDO! That's right Eddie and Lesnar feud, Angle takes on Edge (whose mad at Angle for taking out his pal Rey).
Wrestlemania hits, and we have face lesnar vs heel Angle.
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TBS is not going to win, Brock will play the face-like role of overcoming TBS despite all the odds seemingly against him. I don't think they will turn Brock face, just let him be a cool heel that gets cheers. The role HHH played a few years ago. I think this is just another time for TBS to job to someone. Who else could they feed him? Benoit? Angle? Edge? TBS is the only one left who has nothing to lose by losing to Brock at a PPV. Brock has beaten Rocky and UT, no way he will lose to TBS.
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Sounds like an exciting main event. Sting really should have been there by Luger's side to counteract Jeeves, as well as the potential "new world order" attack. So Regal now has one of the three titles that he claimed he was pursuing.