Originally posted by lotjx I would argue that the territories didn't really work since most of the time, the world champ would go in there and bury whoever he faced and moved on to the next one. They were lucky to have Flair for a good chunk of the 80s, someone who could make guys look like stars. Can you imagine Super-Cena or Hogan during that time, forget it. Kurt, AJ, Jericho and a handful of others could pull that off. I think if you wanted to do territories right, you would need another NWA group to keep everyone in line. You need a strong central force like the Federal government or you would end up with companies doing fuck it all with the talent that is imported in.
(edited by lotjx on 19.8.10 0747)
I understand your point, but it really didn't work this way.
The job of the world champ in the territory days was to come in, make the local star look like a million bucks, get a narrow win, and get the touch out of Dodge before the locals rioted. The reason the territory system worked was because the Board of Directors voted on the champ. If he made their local guys look bad, they'd book him out of the title and he'd never see the belt (and huge paydays) again.
And all their longterm champions from Lou Thesz on (Brisco/the Funks/Race/etc) were, for lack of a better term, of the Ric Flair type, as in they could wrestle, they could have long world title matches, and they could make the challengers look credible and worthy in losing. They were all chosen for those reasons under that criteria.
Wasn't this style of booking, as fondly remembered as it might be by those who grew up on it, one of the key reasons Vince took over? I seem to remember even Meltzer conceding that during the 80s, the NWA having a champion who basically looked like he should've lost and then squeaked out a win or pushed it to a time-limit draw, or took a shortcut DQ/countout finish, looked very weak compared to a champion who, whole he sold, always won and won decisively. Thus, people who were dominant in territories where no one was ever booked like that got over. The Road Warriors would be a good example of that. They certainly didn't get over based on great technical performances. They worked stiff, no-sold, and became phenomenons, oozing the juice in an area not known for juiced-up roidboys.
The territorial system was always contingent on the NWA-style booking, but people have since been exposed to super-dominant champions. Could it work? Maybe, but I really think the biggest thing working against this notion is the fact that there are no real purist-type fans left. ROH isn't doing great numbers anymore, if they ever did. TNA is a non-factor on television. A lot of these people who were die-hards in the 90s, I do believe probably grew up, had kids, got jobs, and found themselves having to give up the wrestling-is-my-life thing. Who will be the market for these territories?
(edited by Hogan's My Dad on 21.8.10 2312) Quiet, Or Papa Spank!
Originally posted by CRZ Is WWE putting FCW on their YouTube channel? (Or is anybody else doing it "unofficially?")
Is OVW on YouTube?
People still go to 411mania wrestling?
1. I don't think FCW is on the WWE channel on youtube, nor is anyone else putting whole episodes. You can find specific matches on youtube, though. FCW's website makes no mention of any TV show.
2. Doesn't seem like it. I gave a search for OVW TV on youtube and came up with results from 2008/09. Couldn't find anything more recent. But you can watch their episodes streaming on their website. (ovwrestling.com)
Wasn't this style of booking, as fondly remembered as it might be by those who grew up on it, one of the key reasons Vince took over? I seem to remember even Meltzer conceding that during the 80s, the NWA having a champion who basically looked like he should've lost and then squeaked out a win or pushed it to a time-limit draw, or took a shortcut DQ/countout finish, looked very weak compared to a champion who, whole he sold, always won and won decisively.
All true, but I think this more applied specifically to late 80s Flair's stooging act than to how his predecessors worked (and how he used to). The difference between a competitive, close match where both guys look good but the champion wins in the end because he's the champion vs. an asskicking where the champ barely escapes and seems undeserving. Kurt Angle and 2000 Triple H basically worked their title matches like traditional NWA world champions, for examps.
That's not my endorsement of territory wrestling though. I think that's long gone, except
1) different developmental territories for one company
2) Raw and Smackdown as two WWE brands, but only if they were kept more separate and the talent stayed on one side for a lot longer
3) WWE's plans that came out in '07 or '08 to go to global territories all over the world, which was way too ambitious at the time and doesn't seem realistically achievable to me.
You're right about Ambrose being the best promo. Everything was natural, to the point I question if they're even giving him bullet points anymore. That segment with Renee was perfect. Ziggler also brought the fire.