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Kei Posiskunk
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Since: 7.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Because honestly, I don't know. I don't want to come off as a dick who doesn't care about social issues, but I also don't want the government to have absolute power.

Who are the ones who are correct? The Leftists, or the Right?






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Uh, if one side was definitively right or wrong, then people wouldn't be arguing about anything, would they?

Look at whatever issues are leading you to worry about this, and draw your own conclusions. There isn't consensus on the "left or right" political alignment, so not everyone will agree with you. What's important is that you agree with you. And yes, that might mean supporting some things that the left does, and some things that the right does.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.79
    Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk
    Who are the ones who are correct? The Leftists, or the Right?


The people who earnestly study issues, determine the facts, and chart a course of action regardless of their political bent. Those people actually exist on both sides.

What you are asking to me is; "The world is black and white, so which is it?" The reality is that most problems and issues facing the US and world are in shades of gray. So maybe the correct answer is the person(s)/idealogy(ies) which see the world as complex with many sides to an issue and more than one possible answer are correct.



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I guess my problem is that I've had people that lean both ways tell me if I don't vote for their guy, that I'm an evil person who wants to destroy the nation.

Honestly, I'm not particularly enthused with either candidate, and I'm continually told that any information out there about either of them is biased at best, flat out lies at worst.

I guess the biggest issue if that my roommate wants to support Obama, even though he doesn't like Obama, just because he thinks that 99% of the time, voting Democrat is the "right thing to do".

I don't want to put myself at odds with him by voting Republican, because I don't have anywhere else to go, and even beyond him, I've basically been given the message that voting Republican will pretty much alienate me from EVERYONE I know currently.

The fact that I don't really agree with either platform right now just makes it harder. Neither major candidate stands for smaller government, it seems.






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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.50
    Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk
    I guess my problem is that I've had people that lean both ways tell me if I don't vote for their guy, that I'm an evil person who wants to destroy the nation.



These are people whose opinion you don't need to take seriously.

    Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk

    Honestly, I'm not particularly enthused with either candidate, and I'm continually told that any information out there about either of them is biased at best, flat out lies at worst.

    I guess the biggest issue if that my roommate wants to support Obama, even though he doesn't like Obama, just because he thinks that 99% of the time, voting Democrat is the "right thing to do".

    I don't want to put myself at odds with him by voting Republican, because I don't have anywhere else to go, and even beyond him, I've basically been given the message that voting Republican will pretty much alienate me from EVERYONE I know currently.

    The fact that I don't really agree with either platform right now just makes it harder. Neither major candidate stands for smaller government, it seems.


You can always go third party! Bob Barr or Cynthia McKinney would appreciate your vote. It'll make as much difference as one vote will matter for anybody.

Also it's nobody's business but yours who you vote for anyway.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.09
    Originally posted by Kei Posiskunk


    I guess the biggest issue if that my roommate wants to support Obama, even though he doesn't like Obama, just because he thinks that 99% of the time, voting Democrat is the "right thing to do".

    I don't want to put myself at odds with him by voting Republican, because I don't have anywhere else to go, and even beyond him, I've basically been given the message that voting Republican will pretty much alienate me from EVERYONE I know currently.




There is no "right" answer. You can be conservative on one issue and liberal on another. Personally, I've always thought that anyone who votes based on what letter is next to someones name is a fool. And remember, YOU are the one casting the vote. Your roomates and friends aren't going in there with you. Don't worry about what others think, just vote for who you think is best. Myself, I'm voting for Obama this year. Pretty much everyone in my family is voting McCain. Doesn't mean they're going to alienate me for it, we just have different views and they understand that.
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There is a reason why it is a secret ballot. The only person whose opinion really matters when you vote is your own. Remember if none of the candidates interest you, leave that slot blank and go onto Ballot issue #23. And, if it makes your life easier, just lie about who you voted for.
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Since: 11.2.03
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Hey, look, I'm one of those folks who is on one side--in my case, the liberal side--on the vast majority of issues. So, you know, I could just tell you that the left side is correct, and for the most part I believe that. But are you really going to believe it just because I do? Especially when there's certainly going to be someone who comes along and tells you the opposite?

There's an awful lot of discussion of issues out there. Read it. Try to read responsible stuff--look, for example, at the New York Times editorial page for the liberal side of things, and the Wall Street Journal equivalent for the conservative take. And ask questions, but ask specific ones like "why do you believe what you do about issue X?"
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What's correct politically depends solely upon you. The ideals of knowledge, wisdom, respect to other's views, and acceptance in defeat have the same merits as stupidity, ignorance, zealotry, and hate have the same merits as cynicism, spite, ennui, and nonchalance have the same merits as a bowl of petunias, a bag of fertilizer, an unnecessary use of gardening terminology, and elbow pads. It's all about finding the notions that fit you personally and leave you with a satisfied feeling of 'yeah, I'm on the side I'm supposed to be on' right before you go to bed.

However, if you can't sleep at night because of the decisions you've made, you're in the wrong boat irregardless.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.79
    Originally posted by Lexus
    It's all about finding the notions that fit you personally and leave you with a satisfied feeling of 'yeah, I'm on the side I'm supposed to be on' right before you go to bed.

    However, if you can't sleep at night because of the decisions you've made, you're in the wrong boat irregardless.


Sort of. To me it should be about intellectually determining what is correct after a careful examination of the facts and all sides of the issue. I say all because there are often more than two. And you need to have the courage to accept truth, even when it makes you uncomfortable.

What's even worse is that on some issues there may be more than one answwer.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.41
Well I was trying to be poignant without expressing my own personal ideals...

Also, a point could be made for determining what is correct on blind faith alone in the facts that make you more comfortable and completely disregarding any other option, and refusing to accept one man's fact for another's. I know this sounds like a completely stupid and wild notion, but that's because it is; people have every right to be ignorant, too. I'm not saying it's right, but I'm also not saying it's wrong; I am definitely saying it's an option available to all.

Personally, I'm in the boat that what is truly correct lies somewhere between the extreme right and left, in that the values of comprimise between people to find a happy medium (or at least something that pisses everybody off equally) outweigh the individual values of either side. Capitalism alone doesn't work, neither does socialism, but common currency is both at the same time; the power of the Dollar is reliant on our market, not how much actual goods, supplies, or services I own personally. That would be reflected by how many dollars I possess, but it doesn't make my dollars worth more than Joe's. I know that's a weird way of looking at it, but I'm at a loss at coming up with another example of capitalism and socialism entwined just so. I would site public transportation, paying for a service that is timed and regulated by local government, but anybody who's waited for a train that's running late could agree that the socialistic aspect of that is somewhat lacking :). I could also site taxation, as socialist a notion as you could come up with dependent on your standing in the capitalist aspect, but nobody likes taxes.



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Kei Posiskunk
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Honestly, I'm most worried about my mother's side of my family thinking I'm a "traitor to my own race" if I vote against Obama (like him, I'm half black-half white), and I figure they'd ask me, especially if Obama somehow loses.






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