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It's about time they get ready to tank this guy. You would think that there's a big chemistry problem happening in the locker room for all of the Shockey being Shockey acts as well as Tiki Barber's comments earlier this year, yet there was a meeting with the players earlier today and they all said they wouldn't mind Coach Coughlin being back for another season. Now he's caught the one year extension.

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The extension is more of an organizational thing- the Giants don't like lame-duck coaches. Coughlin is on notice now though. My guess is that anything less than a division title and one playoff win, and he's toast. The ownership is going to be under a microscope with this, and the selection of a new GM (which should happen any day now), as these are the first major organizational decisions that are going to be made since Wellington Mara and Bob Tisch died.



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This is a baffling move. Coughlin clearly had lost the team this season, and a Week 17 and a better-than-expected playoff showing shouldn't be enough to recover from that. This will really hamper their GM search, too. Instead of hiring a guy who will come in and clean house and install his own system, it'll have to be a one-year wait until Coughlin is gone.



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Honestly though, if you fire Coughlin who do you replace him with? Who's available, who's qualified? Not a lot of good options there.



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I have to wonder if Coughlin's return is just to buy the Giants some time until 2008 when they (and a few other teams) will try & woo Bill Cowher out of his retirement.
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    Originally posted by MisterHenderson
    Honestly though, if you fire Coughlin who do you replace him with? Who's available, who's qualified? Not a lot of good options there.

Well, at this time last year, no one was all that enthralled with the name of Sean Payton. He's done rather good so far.

I agree, though, that this seems to be a set up to get someone better next year, either Cowher or some guy that used to coach the team, but who is currently employed within the division, and might take the job if he can shop for his own groceries.
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I think the sentiments expressed above are pretty accurate. They couldn't have him working as a lame duck for next season, so they re-up for one more after that. If he stinks up the joint next season, they show him the door and hire Cowher or another big name coach for the following season. Seems pretty rational once I got over the initial reaction of "THEY GAVE COUGHLIN AN EXTENSION????"

(edited by pieman on 11.1.07 1311)




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    Originally posted by Mayhem

    I have to wonder if Coughlin's return is just to buy the Giants some time until 2008 when they (and a few other teams) will try & woo Bill Cowher out of his retirement.


it is. They figure they have a better shot at Cowher AND Weis next year so stick with Coughlin for one year and then dump him for greener pastures.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by Wpob
      Originally posted by Mayhem

      I have to wonder if Coughlin's return is just to buy the Giants some time until 2008 when they (and a few other teams) will try & woo Bill Cowher out of his retirement.


    it is. They figure they have a better shot at Cowher AND Weis next year so stick with Coughlin for one year and then dump him for greener pastures.


So then, what do you do if the Giants end up going 12-4 next year and make it to the NFC Championship game? Keeping a guy on for the express purpose of firing him a year later can have wrinkles, ya know? Just wondering.
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    Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
      Originally posted by Wpob
        Originally posted by Mayhem

        I have to wonder if Coughlin's return is just to buy the Giants some time until 2008 when they (and a few other teams) will try & woo Bill Cowher out of his retirement.


      it is. They figure they have a better shot at Cowher AND Weis next year so stick with Coughlin for one year and then dump him for greener pastures.


    So then, what do you do if the Giants end up going 12-4 next year and make it to the NFC Championship game? Keeping a guy on for the express purpose of firing him a year later can have wrinkles, ya know? Just wondering.


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At least he doesn't have to face Jeff Fisher in 2007 ... Fisher owns Coughlin.
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    Originally posted by kwik
    the Giants don't like lame-duck coaches.


Why is it a good thing for a player to be playing out his contract and trying to impress potential employers - which always seems to happen, but the same standard doesn't apply to coaches?





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    Originally posted by Llakor
    Why is it a good thing for a player to be playing out his contract and trying to impress potential employers - which always seems to happen, but the same standard doesn't apply to coaches?




Because a lame duck player can't affect the long term plans of the organization as much as a lame duck coach can. For example, a lame duck coach might be more concerned about pushing injured players harder in order to generate immediate results to pad the coach's stats as opposed to resting the players, which could lead to reduced effectiveness of said players for multiple years to come. If a player pushes himself too hard, that will only affect his future as far as it pertains to where he winds up.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
I don't know if I buy that. Coughlin has to know that he's on thin ice anyway, so I think he'd push for the team to win just as hard as if he was a lame duck coach.




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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
        Originally posted by Wpob
          Originally posted by Mayhem

          I have to wonder if Coughlin's return is just to buy the Giants some time until 2008 when they (and a few other teams) will try & woo Bill Cowher out of his retirement.


        it is. They figure they have a better shot at Cowher AND Weis next year so stick with Coughlin for one year and then dump him for greener pastures.


      So then, what do you do if the Giants end up going 12-4 next year and make it to the NFC Championship game? Keeping a guy on for the express purpose of firing him a year later can have wrinkles, ya know? Just wondering.


    See Chicago Bears and Dick Jauron.


I'm not following. Jauron was fired after going 7-9 and missing the playoffs. Are you telling me the Giants would fire Coughlin if he went 12-4 and won a playoff game or two next season?

EDIT: Ahhhhhhh, now I see Sec666RowH. Thanks for clarifying!

(edited by Reverend J Shaft on 12.1.07 1825)
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The Bears had every intention of firing Dick Jauron following the (was it 2002?) season in which he led the team to a 13-3 record (Jerry Angelo wanted to bring in his own guy as coach). However, since the team did so well, they couldn't just dump the guy, even though they really didn't want him.

So, maybe the Giants have a great year next year, and they can't go after Cowher (or whomever) because Coughlin just led them to a great year.

Moral - If you don't want the guy, don't keep him around.
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