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#1 Posted on
You all can talk about the rest of the show, but I just wanted to point out the gracious Al Snow for showing the rest of America that Rockford's UHL franchise has pig's asses on their sweater's shoulders.

For those who didn't get a chance to see tonight's Confidential, the kicker segment had a continuation of last week's Al Snow 'crib' segment with hockey jerseys. Al mentions that he picks one up in every city that he's wrestled in, and I'm thinking to myself -- he's going to mention the IceHogs.

Sure nuff... he does.

Al Snow -- I salute you! :P
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#2 Posted on
Couple of Things here:

1) WWE continues it's bashing of Bret Hart. They do have a point though. With all the money thrown around and the lack of creative direction, the company was bound to turn into a black hole of suckitude. When you lose millions of dollars on stars that either don't produce (ie Nash) or have no direction (Hart, Benoit, Jericho, etc.), something is bound to give. But, to say that Bret managed to leverage himself into the position to get that much money seems a bit heavyhanded. And for Hogan to say, "Where's the track record", then mentioning that he and Hart had no big matches, seemed very strange. Hart has an incredible run at the top of the WWF, or has everyone forgotten that in the post-Screwjob whiny Bret Hart era?

2) Al Snow rules it. He had a Quebec Nordiques jersey!



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#3 Posted on
Like all WWE comments on Hart nothing they say is actually a lie but definitely are biased in the WWE's favor. The WCW didn't ever use Hart sucessfully. He had like 10 heel turns in his first year. WCW should have let Sting beat Hogan fairly and then either heel Hart should have feuded with Sting for the title or face Hart should have feuded with Hogan for the title.
Hell, both of those were major dream feuds and even though Hart and Sting did feud I can't remember a single thing about it except I think Sting got stripped for kicking the crap out of a ref. Not a good sign from 2 of my 5 favorite wrestlers that it bored me.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.52
Wienerville's resident WCW mark says...

Actually, Sting got stripped of the title at Halloween Havoc '99 after kicking the crap out of a referee. But his getting stripped of the belt actually had nothing to do with Bret Hart, originally.

Sting was scheduled to face Hulk Hogan in a rematch from Fall Brawl in the night's main event. But Hogan came out and allowed Sting to pin him and retain his title. (A worked shoot moment-- allegedly, Hogan was pissed that he was booked to job to Sting, or... something. This was never really fully explained).

Anyway.

Sting was upset, he said he came there that night to compete. So he made an open challenge to anyone in the back to face him in the night's main event.

That night, Goldberg defeated Sid Vicious in a truly brutal match to win the WCW United States Heavyweight Title. When the time came and Sting came out for his match, the new U.S. Champion came out to battle him. Goldberg defeated Sting, allegedly winning the World Title. As a matter of fact, the show ended with Goldberg holding up both the U.S. and World Titles high over his head. Sting was outraged and Scorpion Deathdropped the referee.

The following night, Sting came out to the ring (sans makeup and wearing sunglasses) to confront J.J. Dillon. He said that he never agreed to put the World Title on the line against Goldberg the previous night, and that Goldberg should not be the World Champion. J.J. agreed, Goldberg was not the World Champion... but neither was Sting.

J.J. told an irate Stinger that the WCW Championship Committee had stripped Sting of the World Title for his actions against the referee after his match with Goldberg. When Sting got pissed, J.J. said, “I'm just the messenger.” “Oh, yeah?” Sting retorted. “Then how about you give them this message from me?” Sting nailed JJ with a solid punch and applied the Scorpion Deathlock.

Anyway... this led to a World Title tournament that would eventually culminate at WCW Mayhem. Bret Hart scored a shocking victory over Goldberg in the first round (in the process winning the U.S. Title) when The Outsiders attacked Goldberg. The final four came down to Benoit, Jarrett, Sting and Hart. Benoit defeated Jarrett in the semifinals, while Hart defeated Sting. Hart then defeated Benoit in the finals to win the WCW World Title for the very first time.

Strangely enough, this is all from memory.



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#5 Posted on
So the thing that led to the fall of WCW was the signing of Bret Hart. Guess they're still mad at him. Good segment, though. I was laughing so much at some of the footage they showed, Hogan's beard, Bischoff with the NWO B-Team.

I liked the segment about Booker T's crib. I didn't know he met Muhammad Ali. I hope they continue showing a different superstar's cribs every week.

The Edge-Christian segment went way too long, though.

Next week, Rikishi.

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booker t RULES IT.

the wcw segment was interesting by itself but their explanation for wcw going under stole the show. "it was bret hart! no, it was actually big money contracts and lack of creative direction... as epitomized in the signing of bret hart!"

they got the time frame right but never mentioned the start of "mr. mcmahon" or stone cold. without the austin / mcmahon feud, the monday night wars would have been competitive a lot longer than they were.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by StampedeFan23
    Couple of Things here:

    1) WWE continues it's bashing of Bret Hart. They do have a point though. With all the money thrown around and the lack of creative direction, the company was bound to turn into a black hole of suckitude. When you lose millions of dollars on stars that either don't produce (ie Nash) or have no direction (Hart, Benoit, Jericho, etc.), something is bound to give. But, to say that Bret managed to leverage himself into the position to get that much money seems a bit heavyhanded. And for Hogan to say, "Where's the track record", then mentioning that he and Hart had no big matches, seemed very strange. Hart has an incredible run at the top of the WWF, or has everyone forgotten that in the post-Screwjob whiny Bret Hart era?

    2) Al Snow rules it. He had a Quebec Nordiques jersey!



Hart had good matches, but did he have a history of bringing in huge crowds like Hogan did? No. Also, I don't think they were bashing Hart. They were bashing WCW, and Hart just happened to symbolize everything WCW did wrong. And I'm glad they didn't get all ego-driven and say Hart's leaving refreshed and rejuvinated the WWF to the point of it running WCW out of business.



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#8 Posted on
1) Quebec Nordiques are a known entity. How many people before the 0.8/0.9 last night have heard about the IceHogs?
2) In WWE-Rose-colored glasses, Bret is the Anti-christ and savior all rolled into one. We screwed him, he screwed himself, yet he was able to screw WCW into going under. I'm more for the points that were brought out that the merger was the main heel in all this.

3) WWE is using the summer water-sprinkling system for BTWS; Last week was a new RVD segment; this week was Edge and Christian from the PPV/DVD. Rikishi is new, so I hope that they're going to bust out the Molly/Nora one in two weeks. The segment's not *too* long, but it's too sweeeeee-- ahem, it's nice. :)
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#9 Posted on
This was the first time I'd seen Confidential. The Death of WCW segment was pretty funny. They set everything up to talk about the many guys who got guaranteed contracts for huge money and then "went through the motions" in the ring. But WWE actually pays Hogan and Nash, so they couldn't talk about them. And they may want to hire Goldberg and Steiner, so they can't talk about them. And thus, as usual, they fell back on Bret and had Hogan and the Big Show pretty much lay the blame at the feet of Bret. They even worked in a clip of Jericho saying that WCW didn't use Bret right and kind of stacked it between Hogan and Big Show clips so it looked kinda like Jericho was saying it was all Bret's fault. Nifty.

Also entertaining was Big Show telling the world how he got his revenge on WCW and all the guys wrongly making more money than him by going to the WWF and becoming super over. And Bischoff, at the end, appearing to thank Vince for saving the legacy of WCW instead of burying it and getting it off TV forever.

I dunno, if they're doing something like having Bret come back to be the guy who put Shawn through the windshield and actually having Bischoff turn Raw into Nitro like we've been discussing/joking about here, it was a neat piece and Confidential has instantly become the show to watch to see what they're doing next. If not, well, I guess it is kind of fun to watch them rewrite history and blame WCW's downfall on Bret, change Big Show's WWF fate and play it up like Vince saved the legacy of WCW and made sure it would never be forgotten. Weird stuff.

The Edge and Christian thing was fun. Sweet Daddy Freakout, man. Christian needs to use that. It was nice to see them out of character, even if it means that Edge and Christian really aren't brothers who were briefly turned into vampires before getting their souls back anymore.

Booker T's house tour was a neat segment, too. I wonder if anyone has ever gotten a picture taken with Ali that didn't have the person mock fighting him.
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#10 Posted on
Yeah Dr. I noticed the same thing. Big contract WCW wrestlers were Hogan, Nash, Flair, Sting, Hart, and Goldberg. The first 3 currently work for WWE so saying that they are the ones who killed WCW might piss them off. Plus I don't really think Flair is to blame. Goldberg they want to work for them so pissing him off would be stupid. Sting is too respected in general and really had nothing to do with WWE so they have no axe to grind with him. That just leaves Bret. As I said earlier everything WWE says about Hart is true from their POV but definitely biased.
And yes the biggest thing that killed WCW was the WWF. But to admit that they would have to say that they sucked and screwed things up in the first place and of course that is impossible. Saying that WCW got better because of the NWO gimmick is a lot better than saying that WCW gained ratings because the WWF sucked.



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#11 Posted on
I wonder if anyone has ever gotten a picture taken with Ali that didn't have the person mock fighting him.

Ha! I believe ESPN.com`s Bill "The Sports Guy" Simmons made that exact same observation in a column not too long ago.



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#12 Posted on
It was a good show.


The whole WCW segment was kinda weird to watch. Finding out that the wrestler didn't know what they we're gonna do till they got into the ring explains a lot of the problems with WCW. It seems like they got too big for their britches and thought people would just watch for the big names instead of telling stories with those names.

I truly don't think they were trying to bash Bret Hart but you have to realize it was wasted money. He signed a deal it didn't actually wrestle under that til almost a year after he signed. When he did wrestle, It was almost always good but he never had great storylines and made about 376 heel turns.


As for the Edge and Christian segment:Me and my friend had the same dream had they did but I doubt ours is gonna come true like theirs did.You can kinda see why they are portrayed as brothers because they have known each other for ever.


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#13 Posted on
I think what Hogan said is totally valid. Hart was a failure as a draw. He didn’t draw. If you draw less than the previous champion, then you’re not really drawing, are you? You’re losing heat. You’re captain of a sinking ship. Hart was, and I don’t want any aspersions cast on my opinion here, Hogan mark though I might be. I do not imply Hogan was a great wrestler, or anywhere near Hart’s league. But the man never drew. Shawn Michaels drew better as Champion when they finally put it on him, and the only long-term champion from the 1993-1997 era where Hart was a main event level talent was of course, Nash. So naturally the big contract was unjustified, and that’s what Hogan was saying.

To recap, Hart is a loser and Hogan is god.

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#14 Posted on
Hey, I'll admit to liking Hogan, too. And even watching him saying all that stuff and pretending that he was guilt-free in the downfall of WCW, I was still thinking "Oh, Hogan, you're so crazy, I can never hate you!" He's just got that Hogan thing going for him.

But the point they were making in the piece was that the guys with the guaranteed contracts destroyed everything because they stopped caring and dogged it in the ring, and that's not the case with Bret - even with injuries, he was still putting on great matches (and doing some underrated angle work, like the whole "only my cat Smokey loves me" period where he challenged El Dandy and Silver King - that whole character was hysterical). It was Hogan, Nash and the like who they were talking about, but Bret who they ended up singling out and making look like the guy who brought the whole thing down instead.
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#15 Posted on
I totally concur.
I think Nash was a million times more responsible than Hogan was. Hogan didn't book himself to take all the air out of the "hottest property that company ever had"'s sails. Hogan didn't book DDP as the World Champ. Hogan has never been a "I won't job" guy unless it was spur-of-the-moment and senseless.
But that aside...the WWE is really going after Bret, now. I can't see why now, everything from HBK's comments to this confidential shit...Why they want to attack Bret NOW when he's partially paralyzed from his stroke and trying to recover. It just goes to show that no one holds a grudge like McMahon. Remind me never to beat this shit out of him.






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#16 Posted on
Bret is coming back big time, standing right next to Austin, and will surprise us all. I have to hope that this is finally the multi-show storyline buildup that WWE needs, and not the system knocking someone while he's down and can't anwswer back, because that will be a good way to turn more fans off.



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#17 Posted on
Yeah, Bring in BRET HITMAN HART AND STONE COLD STEVE AUSTIN to feud with McMahon in the WWE. Make Linda McMahon there benefactor along with Eric Bischoff. Linda can play the "Vince, this is payback for all your bullshit" and Eric for "I'm a sneaky son of a bitch".

Bret and Stone Cold...now there's a stable.
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#18 Posted on
So Bret's going to wrestle/manage while recovering from a stroke.

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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I totally concur.
    I think Nash was a million times more responsible than Hogan was. Hogan didn't book himself to take all the air out of the "hottest property that company ever had"'s sails.





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#20 Posted on
Well Dr. Evil. The reports say that Bret Hart is going to make a full recovery in the next year.

SO anything's possible. Just like Hogan, I'm sure Bret will stop being so stubborn and bitter and come back, for his fans.
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