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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
Wow, not a whole lot this week. Or the last couple weeks, really. I picked up Reign in Hell (a surprisingly boring war comic considering it involves Hell), Legion of Super-Heroes (still not so great, but seems like its chugging along to somewhere), and Avengers/Invaders (which doesn't seem like its going anywhere, and why does Cap always think Iron Man is a Nazi when he travels through time? I mean, it's happened at least three times now). I also grabbed X-Men Odd Men Out, which includes two lost stories which probably wouldn't have killed anyone if they'd stayed lost, but hey, Dave Cockrum art. This week also gave us a new issue of Final Crisis. I gotta say, I'm just not being wowed by this series. I feel it has the potential to wow me at some point in the future, but I'm just not feeling it yet. That said, I'll bet anyone a dollar that Shilo Norman is the reincarnation of Scott Free, who of course will prove to be the only New God to escape Darkseid's destruction of New Genesis.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.39
Dude, I feel you on Final Crisis. Each issue so far I keep hoping that there's something in it to finally get me excited, and it's just not happening. You know, it's all well and good to build to something, but with the disaster that was Countdown (by the way: it appears that DC's official stance is now more or less that "Countdown" never happened) you can't afford to do that with an "event" book.

There's already a lot of blame going around, with Morrisson noting that he had drafts submitted a lonnnng time ago to the Editorial staff that were ignored when they greenlit "Death of the New Gods" after the fact and while they were writing "Countdown." There's also speculation that certain writers - Dini, Starlin, etcetera - simply looked at the list of things that needed to happen before FC without asking enough questions as to how they should happen.

But I think the majority of the blame has to lie DC's Editorial Staff and their Continuity Editor(s). I mean, it's one thing when a company has one thing happen in one book and it not be clear when it's happening, but the entire DCU right now is a goddamn mess, and not the intentional one they've intentionally made with all the Multiverse stuff. Although in fairness, I also think Morrisson still has to be taken to task for what he's doing here, which is putting far too much focus on the "Seven Soldiers" stuff he's written (which not a lot of people read). Even people I know who did read it don't give a shit about all these characters, with one exception (Klarion the Witch Boy for some reason). I mean, what's next, is The Manhattan Guardian going to have the big climactic showdown with Darkseid?

It also doesn't help that somehow, the biggest disasters in the history of comic books are occurring left and right in the DC Universe, and yet none of it feels grand in scope or is filling the readers with a sense of dread. Previously, I would have thought you'd really have to try to get people to be apathetic towards the entire planet being put under quarantine by the GL Corps while Armaggeddon's occuring, but that's EXACTLY what's happened with FC.

I'm not going to give up on it and I've read far worse comics, but so far it's not delivering.

The only other book I've read was The Twelve #7, and I'm still enjoying this series quite a bit. I also got the new issue of Criminal, which I still haven't read.

So yeah, also agreed with Tenken in terms of it being a really light week.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 8.8.08 1702)

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.17
Three Batman RIP tie-ins all came and went this week, but none of them felt earth-shattering at all. Detective Comics and Nightwing are seemingly doing their own thing and not doing too bad, while Robin's trying really hard to stay relevant to the RIP-storyline, but that's a tough task considering more than half the readers out there can't make sense of the Grant Morrison storyline.

Book of the week for me is Joss Whedon's Buffy, which actually has me running out and buying the old Fray trade.




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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
FC finally got interesting on the last page of issue 3, and we now take a 2 month hiatus. Man, that's bad timing.

The worst part for me is, you have all these huge, epic events going on with FC, RIP, and Trinity, but I have no idea which happens first, or how they relate to the other. Is it even the same Batman in all three?




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
Yeah, I know I said I needed a break, and believe you me I do, but I just had to walk in the door this week and take a peek... and yet again I was pissed of at a book that ruins something else I hold (comic book wise...) sacred.

Jon Favreau is writing this mini-series called IRON MAN: VIVA LAS VEGAS and the plot is IronMan Vs. Fin Fang Foom and they destroy Las Vegas. It sounded pretty good and I wanted to read this thing... until I saw the cover for issue #2 this week with what looks like the absolute worst ever redesign of a classic character ever done. They've turned Fin Fang Foom into a fucking bad anime/Pokemon looking thing and it just reeks of terribleness. Adi Granov Draws us a second shit bomb to almost rival the book I won't mention from last week.

I have no problem with revamping characters, hell I really LIKED the red and white IronMan armor and I'll admit to liking the Az-Bats armor from Knightfall a few years ago, but some things really shouldn't be fucked with. and Marvel just keeps on doing the fucking, like making Bucky America a super shiny asshole that would blind his enemys and now they completely redesign Fin Fang Foom. What's next, Marvel, how about giving Dr. Doom a make over and add some fucking pink to his cape or something.

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FINAL CRISIS: You know, I think I see why so many people are having a problem with this series. Grant Morrisson is an extremely talented writer with many, many good ideas in his head, but he just doesn't know how to put them to paper.

There is so much happening DURING Final Crisis, but we are seeing very little of it. Two perfect examples of this are as follows...

(1) In issue #2, Luthor tells Libra that he'd be impressed if he hurt Superman in some way so Libra causes some sort of damage to the Daily Planet, hurting Lois some how, which all takes place on about three pages. Then in issue #3 Luthor only mentions in one panel that Superman hasn't answered and emergency distress calls in over 18 hours. So for this series, Morrisson has taken the DC Universes biggest, strongest character, seemingly, completely out of the series in about three pages. Something seems rather wrong with this.

(2) In issue #3 near the end of the issue, we are promissed what should be a spectacular fight between Wonder Woman and Mary Marvel, they tease it for a couple pages where you just are DYING to see this fight play out... only for us to get a 'flash forward' (tm LOST - ABC) where we see Wonder Woman as a Female Furie. All the knock down, draged out fighting and assumed beatdown of DC's strongest and best known female character happens OFF PANEL. Fucking LAME!

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Something better be really fucking good next week, or a may actually have to give up for a year or so and... I don't know, smoke Crack of something. Shit.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.39
    Originally posted by Cerebus

    (2) In issue #3 near the end of the issue, we are promissed what should be a spectacular fight between Wonder Woman and Mary Marvel, they tease it for a couple pages where you just are DYING to see this fight play out... only for us to get a 'flash forward' (tm LOST - ABC) where we see Wonder Woman as a Female Furie. All the knock down, draged out fighting and assumed beatdown of DC's strongest and best known female character happens OFF PANEL. Fucking LAME!


Mary Marvel fought Wonder Woman for several pages and ended it by infecting Wonder Woman with the virus. That's what leads to WW becoming a Furie. I don't know, I thought it was one of the few things Morrisson made pretty clear in that issue.

You're partially right about the Superman thing. What Morrisson actually did in the issue was set Superman up to be off-planet when the shit hits the fan so he's unaffected and can lead the calvary upon his return. However, it's still a problem. Not so much that he's been removed from the main plotline, but why Morrisson did it - to put focus on other DCU characters. Which normally wouldn't be a bad thing, but going back to my original post in this thread, the characters he wants to shift the emphasis to are the ones he wrote for the "Seven Soldiers" project. It comes across as a bit arrogant.

As for what you said about him not being able to get his great ideas down on paper, after reading several interviews with him I think I've isolated the problem. That problem? Morrisson's kinda crazy.

I can't really match your outrage for the Fin Fang Foom redesign, partially because it's Fin Fang Foom but mostly because the character's been redesigned many many many times in the Marvel U (including at one point him being the size of other humans and working in the Baxter Building).

Oh, and I finally read Criminal #4, which starts the new story arc. Not surprisingly, it's freaking great and gets my highest recommendation.

(edited by Deputy Marshall on 10.8.08 0314)

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Tenken347
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Since: 27.2.03
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
Actually, I'd say the ideas are all getting out just fine in Final Crisis, it's just the way they're getting out which is a problem. The axiom in comics, like all visual media, is SHOW don't TELL. Morrison's hardly shown us anything at all. The whole thing is just having plot points explained in speach bubbles. Barry shows up, but we don't find out what happens next until Jay explains it. We don't actually see it going on. There's a bomb at the Daily Planet, but we don't see any aftermath. It's just suddenly Clark and Jimmy at the hospital explaining what happened to everyone. I feel less like I'm reading Final Crisis, and more like I have a friend who's explaining Final Crisis to me.
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Since: 19.8.05
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.76
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Yeah, I know I said I needed a break, and believe you me I do, but I just had to walk in the door this week and take a peek... and yet again I was pissed of at a book that ruins something else I hold (comic book wise...) sacred.

    Jon Favreau is writing this mini-series called IRON MAN: VIVA LAS VEGAS and the plot is IronMan Vs. Fin Fang Foom and they destroy Las Vegas. It sounded pretty good and I wanted to read this thing... until I saw the cover for issue #2 this week with what looks like the absolute worst ever redesign of a classic character ever done. They've turned Fin Fang Foom into a fucking bad anime/Pokemon looking thing and it just reeks of terribleness. Adi Granov Draws us a second shit bomb to almost rival the book I won't mention from last week.

    I have no problem with revamping characters, hell I really LIKED the red and white IronMan armor and I'll admit to liking the Az-Bats armor from Knightfall a few years ago, but some things really shouldn't be fucked with. and Marvel just keeps on doing the fucking, like making Bucky America a super shiny asshole that would blind his enemys and now they completely redesign Fin Fang Foom. What's next, Marvel, how about giving Dr. Doom a make over and add some fucking pink to his cape or something.

    ----------

    FINAL CRISIS: You know, I think I see why so many people are having a problem with this series. Grant Morrisson is an extremely talented writer with many, many good ideas in his head, but he just doesn't know how to put them to paper.

    There is so much happening DURING Final Crisis, but we are seeing very little of it. Two perfect examples of this are as follows...

    (1) In issue #2, Luthor tells Libra that he'd be impressed if he hurt Superman in some way so Libra causes some sort of damage to the Daily Planet, hurting Lois some how, which all takes place on about three pages. Then in issue #3 Luthor only mentions in one panel that Superman hasn't answered and emergency distress calls in over 18 hours. So for this series, Morrisson has taken the DC Universes biggest, strongest character, seemingly, completely out of the series in about three pages. Something seems rather wrong with this.

    (2) In issue #3 near the end of the issue, we are promissed what should be a spectacular fight between Wonder Woman and Mary Marvel, they tease it for a couple pages where you just are DYING to see this fight play out... only for us to get a 'flash forward' (tm LOST - ABC) where we see Wonder Woman as a Female Furie. All the knock down, draged out fighting and assumed beatdown of DC's strongest and best known female character happens OFF PANEL. Fucking LAME!

    ----------

    Something better be really fucking good next week, or a may actually have to give up for a year or so and... I don't know, smoke Crack of something. Shit.


Don't give up yet. I probably should have sprinkled some postives in my previous post. I am not sure what your tastes are in comics, but even if you don't care for Secret Invasion, or Final Crisis type books, there are still TONS of great comics out there. Comics that have nothing to do with "events", crossovers, or gratutious movie tie -ins(Irone Man: Viva Las Vegas). Fables, Daredevil, Wormwood, Manhunter, Detective, Cap. America, All Star Sups, Criminal, and Scalped, just to name a few.




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