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Some background information: Bill Jemas is an idiot. He is the President of Marvel Comics. He got that job because he is friends with the CEO of Marvel Comics, Joe Quesada. Bill Jemas has written Marville #1 widely regarded as the worst comic book of the year. Then he fixed a comic book contest vs. Peter David to see who would sell more issues of their comic. Even though most stores reported ordering more of Captain Marvel comics by Peter David, Bill Jemas comic was said to have sold more issues. Jemas also listed his name in the credits as a co-writer of the early Ultimate Spiderman comics, even though he had nothing to do with it.

A year ago, Jemas came out with the idea of relaunching Captain America as a black superhero. Thankfully this idea was shot down. His idea of the Ultimate Captain America being black was also shot down. However this idea will be brought back next year as a major project.

A new miniseries heavily promoted by Marvel will begin next year called The Truth, ala K-Kwick. This piece of politically correct, revisionist history will state that the True Original Captain America was a black soldier during World War 2.

The Truth editor Axel Alonso says, would the Super Soldier program have conducted its first tests on blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white boys?" At least they didnt call Steve Rogers a blue-eyed devil.

Anyone else bothered by this?




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#2 Posted on
Unless much has changed since I've not been reading the past few months, Quesada is EiC. Not CEO.





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I'm bothered by most of what Quesada and Jemass do.

I won't be getting this, and after they kick Nicienza off Thunderbolts, that's one less Marvel book I'll be getting. I'll be down to just a handfull after that. (Which for a one-time major Marvel Zombie is saying something).

DC (and Dark Horse with it's steadily improving Star Wars books) has most of my business these days because they don't mind catering to the comic book fan, not to people who are "embarassed" about being comic book fans and need them to "grow up."

Bitch please.



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Drew, you read the Rogue Squadron comics? if you like Star Wars scope them out.

On the CA note, I wonder if this is sorta like Ron Simmons being crowed Champion by Bill Watts.



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Unfortunately, I think you've hit upon it El.

Not "smart" to the backstage goings on back then (if what we "know" is actually true) I really did like Ron back then during his run as the "All-American", still do.



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#6 Posted on
    Originally posted by skorpio17

    A year ago, Jemas came out with the idea of relaunching Captain America as a black superhero. Thankfully this idea was shot down. His idea of the Ultimate Captain America being black was also shot down. However this idea will be brought back next year as a major project.

    A new miniseries heavily promoted by Marvel will begin next year called The Truth, ala K-Kwick. This piece of politically correct, revisionist history will state that the True Original Captain America was a black soldier during World War 2.

    The Truth editor Axel Alonso says, would the Super Soldier program have conducted its first tests on blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white boys?" At least they didnt call Steve Rogers a blue-eyed devil.

    Anyone else bothered by this?



Do you know anything about the Tuskegee experiments? Didn't you get the irony of Steve Rogers looking like "the perfect race" according to the Nazis? Besides, the Falcon was black in "Heroes Reborn."

Or are you just an AOL Comics and Image fanboy?



(edited by darkdragoon on 15.10.02 1833)
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Back in the early 90s, when I was still reading them, they had a four part mini-series called Captain America: Sentinel of Liberty, that did a re-telling of the Captain America origin and had Steve Rogers as one of three (maybe four?) people in the Super Soldier program. One of the other two was a black guy who was the best candidate, but was injured by the third guy and thus was unable to become Cap. So, everything old is new again, right? I remember the mini-series being a pretty fun read at the time.

I Googled it - they came out in 1991 and 1992.
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I kind of like the idea of the new Cap origin. I read about it in Wizard and thought it was a clever idea. Mind you, I haven't read a Marvel comic in like 10 years. I am a die hard DC/Legion fan. Long Live the Legion!



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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkdragoon
      Originally posted by skorpio17

      A year ago, Jemas came out with the idea of relaunching Captain America as a black superhero. Thankfully this idea was shot down. His idea of the Ultimate Captain America being black was also shot down. However this idea will be brought back next year as a major project.

      A new miniseries heavily promoted by Marvel will begin next year called The Truth, ala K-Kwick. This piece of politically correct, revisionist history will state that the True Original Captain America was a black soldier during World War 2.

      The Truth editor Axel Alonso says, would the Super Soldier program have conducted its first tests on blonde-haired, blue-eyed, white boys?" At least they didnt call Steve Rogers a blue-eyed devil.

      Anyone else bothered by this?



    Do you know anything about the Tuskegee experiments? Didn't you get the irony of Steve Rogers looking like "the perfect race" according to the Nazis? Besides, the Falcon was black in "Heroes Reborn."





    (edited by darkdragoon on 15.10.02 1833)


The Falcon was always black.





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quesada is back with marvel? you me of Ash fame?

wow, i really have been gone from comics for a long time. i thought that other dude was still EiE. i mean the dude circa 1999 when i was getting out of comics...



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by darkdragoon


    Do you know anything about the Tuskegee experiments? Didn't you get the irony of Steve Rogers looking like "the perfect race" according to the Nazis? Besides, the Falcon was black in "Heroes Reborn."

    Or are you just an AOL Comics and Image fanboy?



    (edited by darkdragoon on 15.10.02 1833)



I'm a traditionalist having read comics for over 20 years. I don't like revisionist history changes even though I've never been a fan of CA.

The Falcon was always black which is why he replaced Hawkeye due to an affirmative action quota (Avengers 182-Byrne). CA was originally created to be an American hero to rally the county during WWII. They wanted a face that the public could idolize, so they took a white guy.

If they want to create new black characters or expand the role of existing black heroes like the Falcon, that is fine. I don't like how they would take white heroes and paint them black in the name of diversity.

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    Originally posted by rikidozan
    quesada is back with marvel? you me of Ash fame?

    wow, i really have been gone from comics for a long time. i thought that other dude was still EiE. i mean the dude circa 1999 when i was getting out of comics...

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The whole issue of not testing whites is bullshit. Steve Rogers made Spike Dudley look like Brock, he was a little pussy who overcame everything to become a hero. Skin color didnt matter at all. He was chosen because he was too weak to become even a grunt, and he still wanted to help!



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#14 Posted on
Amen. Why does everything have to be recycled to deliver a new ultra-PC message?




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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by skorpio17

    The Falcon was always black which is why he replaced Hawkeye due to an affirmative action quota (Avengers 182-Byrne). CA was originally created to be an American hero to rally the county during WWII. They wanted a face that the public could idolize, so they took a white guy.

    If they want to create new black characters or expand the role of existing black heroes like the Falcon, that is fine. I don't like how they would take white heroes and paint them black in the name of diversity.




They are not REPLACING Steve Rogers, they are adding on to the backstory by creating a new hero who is black. Is there a counterculture element to it? Yes.

Actually if they wanted it to be PC, why not an Asian guy? Or a Native American? Or a Hispanic guy, you'd think Marvel would "sell out" and make a Cap represent the ethnic group with the most Congressional Medals of Honor.

I wonder if you moaned about Jim Rhodes as Iron Man as well?
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#16 Posted on
Wait, so they're saying that there were actually TWO Captain America's, and one of them was black?

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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by Jaguar
    Wait, so they're saying that there were actually TWO Captain America's, and one of them was black?

    -Jag



From what I understand, they aren't saying there's two guys who are using the name Captain America and fighting evil, they're saying that there's a guy who has the same abilities because he was used to test the super soldier formula's effectiveness before they tried to make a Captain America, which makes him what you could call the prototype for Captain America, hence the "original Captain America" tagline... like darkdragoon said, they are taking a cue from real life (the Tuskegee Airmen) and applying it to Captain America's existing history, not rewriting it so that Cap was black. I'm not sure if the story is even gonna take place in the present...

As long as the story is not done as a "Battle for the name Captain America" situation, I think this is a pretty interesting idea.





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As a comic nut, I can clarify this situation. In the Truth series, it will be revealed that prior to Steve Rogers taking the super-soldier serum, the US experimented on a number of other "volunteers," including a black man. It's set in the WWII era. Whether or not the "black Captain America" survives to this day in the Marvel Universe or whether the series will matter outside of itself are issues that Marvel hasn't talked about yet.

Frankly, I think it'll sell huge and that I will hate it.
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#19 Posted on
Well that doesn't sound so bad. As long as it doesn't effect Cap's history, then it's all good.

-Jag

And hell, if they make a decent book out of it, then that's great.



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A decent book is a possibility here, I just don't feel too confident that Marvel will come through. First, it's basically retroactive continuity, which is a mark against it for me. More importantly, though, they're pushing it like it's the next Origin (mini-series where Wolverine's origin was revealed, for those who don't know), and while I won't be surprised if it ends up as a success for them, I'm having trouble getting behind it since there's no way a potential throw-away series can have the same importance as Origin, an event that has been hyped in one way or another since nearly as far back as Wolverine's early appearances.
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