Notre Dame: When you get dismantled on offense, defense and special teams, you get blown out. Michigan now might root for Ohio State to get to their match-up unbeaten, as they would then control their own destiny for the BCS Championship Game.
Miami: Last 3 games against teams not named Florida A@M has scored 3 against LSU, 10 against FSU and 7 against Louisville. It isn't now whether Larry Coker gets fired, it is when does Larry Coker get fired? It will be a monumental shocker if West Virginia vs. Louisville is not a match-up of unbeatens on the first Thursday of November. And, please get Paul Maguire away from Griese and Nessler.
You knew Auburn and LSU were going to beat the shit out of each other. LSU really got screwed on the overturn of a pass interference deep in Auburn territory in the last 3 minutes, but, how do you throw the ball short when you have the ball at the Auburn 24 and less than 3 seconds left. Unless you go for the hook and latter you need to throw the ball into the end zone.
If Adrian Peterson can touch the ball 35 to 40 times a game, Oklahoma might be able to make noise. Whether he can hold up to that punishment throughout the season is a major question though. And, Fouts needs to be the color and Brandt the play by play. Doesn't seem normal with the roles reversed. And, since I started typing this with Oklahoma up 13 and less than 3 minutes to go, I have to say they really got screwed by the refs on 2 plays. But, then you mismanage the clock in the last 30 seconds and have a kick blocked, you lose some sympathy.
I was wrong about the Notre Dame defense. Sad part is the defense actually kept them somewhat in the game in the second half if the offense could have found a way to function. Auburn's schedule is conducive (in SEC terms) to them running the table: Buffalo home South Carolina road Arkansas home Florida home Tulane home Ole Miss road Arkansas State home Georgia home Alabama road SEC Title Game should they win the West.
Now, it is not a Big East schedule, but the 4 toughest teams on their schedule (LSU, Florida, Georgia, title game) are all at home or neutral, unlike LSU who got Auburn, Florida, Tennessee all on the road. They started high enough that even though the non-conference schedule is embarrassing, it won't hurt them. The Oklahoma loss, when combined with Texas Tech going down to TCU, Nebraska's difficulty against USC and Texas' defeat last weekend means that the Big XII will be beneath the Big East, ACC, SEC, Pac 10 and Big 10 (not necessarily in that order) on the radar screen for the national championship game. And, unless TCU gets picked off by BYU or Utah in their next 2 games they probably will be playing in a BCS Game, most likely the Fiesta Bowl.
Originally posted by redsoxnationNow, it is not a Big East schedule, but the 4 toughest teams on their schedule (LSU, Florida, Georgia, title game) are all at home or neutral
A. Auburn has had little success against Florida for quite a long time now. B. The away team wins the Georgia-Auburn game more than the home team does. C. You forgot a little program called ALABAMA who could be ranked last in Division III and still get up enough to beat Auburn. D. It will be tough to beat Florida or Georgia twice, assuming they even beat either of those teams the first time.
I have to agree wmatistic on this one. I think their only shot is to hope everyone else loses but I doubt that's going to happen because the winners of Oregon/USC, Michigan/Ohio State and Louisville/West Virginia have pretty easy roads.
Redsoxnation, I know you probably meant that as nothing, but as, I've gathered, one of the few alumni and fans on this board of a Big East team, I want to defend the conference:
Big East teams overall: 17-6 OOC: 16-5 OOC, vs. BCS schools: 7-5 Top 10 teams, after this week: Most likely two Top 25 teams, after this week: Two, with Rutgers just missing the cut
Pac 10 teams overall: 18-7 OOC: 17-6 OOC, vs. BCS schools: 6-4 Top 10 teams, after this week: One Top 25 teams, after this week: Four, with UCLA just outside the Top 25
Big 12 teams overall: 24-11 OOC: 24-11 OOC, vs. BCS schools: 2-6 Top 10 teams, after this week: One Top 25 teams, after this week: One to three, probably two
ACC teams overall: 21-15 OOC: 15-9 OOC, vs. BCS schools: 2-5 Top 10 teams, after this week: Zero Top 25 teams, after this week: Three or four (Florida State, Boston College and Clemson, maybe Miami)
Big 10 teams overall: 27-6 OOC: 27-6 OOC, vs. BCS schools: 6-4 Top 10 teams, after this week: Two Top 25 teams, after this week: Four
I didn't bother with the SEC because it is hands-down the best conference in football. Now, I know the prevalent view is that the Big East is a joke, and it's chic to cream over the ACC, but the ACC sucks. Worst BCS conference, easy. Miami sucks. Florida State sucks. Boston College is getting taken to double OT by BYU and squeaking by Central Michigan.
Now, you didn't say anything about the ACC, so thats not directed at you, but you did say this:
Originally posted by redsoxnationNow, it is not a Big East schedule, but the 4 toughest teams on their schedule (LSU, Florida, Georgia, title game) are all at home or neutral, unlike LSU who got Auburn, Florida, Tennessee all on the road.
Before Louisville lost Michael Bush and now Brian Brohm, the Big East had two very legitimate national title contenders, not to mention teams that could kick the ass of anyone in the ACC. The Big East's Nos. 3 and 4 - Rutgers and Pitt, respectively, could take out most of the ACC as well.
Originally posted by redsoxnationIt will be a monumental shocker if West Virginia vs. Louisville is not a match-up of unbeatens on the first Thursday of November.
Louisville and WVU both still have, in-conference:
Pittsburgh Rutgers - who may be ranked after this week, they've been getting votes all year South Florida - Who slaughtered Louisville, 45-14, last year and also beat an undefeated Louisville two years prior
West Virginia is scary as hell, and I don't know who is going to beat them this year, but I'd be surprised if Louisville survives with only one loss in Big East play. I think they'll lose to the Mountaineers and at least one of the three schools I listed.
Yeah, the Big East has Cincinnati and Syracuse, but the Big 12 has Baylor and Colorado; the Pac 10 has Stanford and Arizona; the ACC has Duke and Miami (yeah, I said it).
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Originally posted by wmatisticWow, Miami sure does suck. I mean yeah Louisville is decent, but come on. Amazing.
Miami managed to hire an offensive coordinator that makes Jeff Bowden look like Bill Freaking Walsh. Although if Coker thought he was on the hot seat before the season started, he hasn't seen anything yet.
Coker may have some of the blame here, but a few other things come to mind for Miami's woes: * The decision by UM President Donna Shalala and Athletic Director Paul Dee to switch from the Big East to the ACC. Maybe for overall sports and Title IX compliance, it was a good idea. But for football? Horrible, horrible idea. An alienation of Miami's large alumni population in the NY/NJ area, who could see them at games involving Rutgers and Temple; moving the FSU game to the first game of the season, when the team is still working the kinks out of its system; and now Miami doesn't have an easy path to winning the conference (let alone the division). Revenue sharing doesn't mean that much when you're not in a BCS bowl game.
* Players. Realistically, can anyone name three players on the team other than QB Kyle Wright? There's no one who stands out (in a good way). No Ken Dorsey, no Reggie Wayne or Santana Moss, no Edgerrin James or Clinton Portis or Willis McGahee or Frank Gore, no Ray Lewis, no Warren Sapp, no Dan Morgan, etc. etc. etc. Miami seems to be seriously lacking talent and a drive to win.
* Coaching. Hey, as much as I like Coker, he and his staff do deserve some of the blame here. After all, after Butch Davis split for the Browns after the 2000 season, the players lobbied Paul Dee to have Larry Coker made head coach. He'd previously beaten Louisville in 2004. He hadn't lost to FSU before 2005 (Christ, Butch Davis had exactly ONE win over FSU in his Miami career!). Last season's heartbreaking loss to Georgia Tech, in which Miami's offensive line couldn't stop a housefly. Why aren't these players coached and motivated not to lose again? Where the hell's the drive that Miami had in 2001 and 2002?
Regardless of the reasons, it looks like it'll be a long season for Miami fans. Coker saves his job only if he manages to run the table and win the ACC.
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The main reason why I'm not ripping the ACC is that I'm starting to think that Va. Tech might be scary. As for Boston College: They'll still lose at Florida State and Miami and at home to Va. Tech, find a way to lose to some team in conference they shouldn't lose to, win the Who Gives A Shit Bowl for the 7th Straight year and whine about how they get no respect even though they beat Maine non-conference.
As for the Big East: It seems that the SEC schedule maker designed the non-conference schedule for many Big East teams. Difference is that the SEC is deep and already respected nationally.
South Florida: With their schedule, they could be unbeaten going into their last 2 games at Louisville and West Virginia. But, when you go life and death with UCF and FIU, it is going to take a while to get respect nationally They will be beneath TCU in the rankings until that time even if they are unbeaten. Have a big year with Miami and FSU down and maybe the opportunity is their for them to become a force on the national scene as the 4th Florida school.
Pittsburgh: Next time a team led by Wannestadt wins a big game will be the first time it wins a big game.
State University of New Jersey: Beat somebody.
Syracuse: How the mighty have fallen.
UCONN: Potential to be a good team down the road.
Cinci: Worst team in the conference plays the death non-conference schedule in Ohio State and Va. Tech on the road.
West Virginia: Very good team and should hope Louisville is unbeaten when they play to have a marquee victory. Will probably get screwed if they are the 3rd unbeaten team from a major conference at the end of the season though.
Louisville: Have an easy schedule until West Virginia and should get Brohm back by then. Should hope West Virginia is unbeaten when they play and should hope Miami turns it around so that is still viewed as an impressive win at the end of the season. Still, like West Virginia, could be the odd team out if they are 1 of 3 major conference unbeatens at the end of the season.
Wow BucsFan is there some webpage with all that info or did you calculate it yourself? If you did it yourself you're very dedicated. The problem with the Big East's 7 BCS wins is that they beat Virginia, Kentucky, Marlyand, Illinois (twice), Miami, and North Carolina. The only one with a winning record, Kentucky, isn't going to have anywhere close to a winning record by the end of the season. Other than Miami none of those wins are going to impress anybody. I don't think it's a cupcake conference with Louisville, West Virginia, USF and Rutgers, but if the Big East wants people to take notice than the schedule makers need to put them up against someone other than the Kentuckys and Illinois.
That being said, I'll glady you join you in any ACC ripping.
It seems now that Brady Quinn had an awful game that the favorite for the Heisman is now Troy Smith. But I'm going to have to throw in a very biased vote for Chris Leak.
Leak 55/84 799 yards 10 TD 3 INT Smith 56/81 769 yards 7 TD 0 INT
I'd also say Leak has played the tougher schedule. Tennessee might be no Texas, but Smith has played two cupcakes games other than Texas. Leak actually played two bowl teams in UCF and Southern Miss. Also Leak DOESN'T have Teddy Ginn to throw to.
The Oklahoma/Oregon game might not matter to Oklahoma in the long run because Oklahoma wasn't a title contender but it does matter to Peterson. He should be right there with Leak in Smith in Heisman consideration but the loss will hurt him. It shouldn't hurt him, because he had another monster game, but unfortunately that's usually how the Heisman voting works.
(edited by Quezzy on 17.9.06 0829) Lance's Response:
Originally posted by QuezzyWow BucsFan is there some webpage with all that info or did you calculate it yourself? If you did it yourself you're very dedicated. The problem with the Big East's 7 BCS wins is that they beat Virginia, Kentucky, Marlyand, Illinois (twice), Miami, and North Carolina. The only one with a winning record, Kentucky, isn't going to have anywhere close to a winning record by the end of the season.
Hey now, Maryland is 2-1. That's a winning record.
I was there live and it was just amazing how Super Steve carved up the MD defense. I don't doubt that WVU could run the table but the computers won't give them any love come BCS time. They play in a conf that schedules a lot of I-AA teams that will mess up their SOS (I-A wins count for SOS, but all defeats. The best William & Mary could do for WVU (being MD's opponent) is maybe 1-0, and at worse will be 0-12).
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Originally posted by QuezzyWow BucsFan is there some webpage with all that info or did you calculate it yourself? If you did it yourself you're very dedicated.
I calculated the Big Ten and Pac 10, the rest were on a message board I visit. Presumably, someone there calculated it by hand, because I sure couldn't find the info anywhere.
The problem with the Big East's 7 BCS wins is that they beat Virginia, Kentucky, Marlyand, Illinois (twice), Miami, and North Carolina. The only one with a winning record, Kentucky, isn't going to have anywhere close to a winning record by the end of the season. Other than Miami none of those wins are going to impress anybody.
You're right about this - and there aren't really any OOC games left for the Big East to change that. I mean sure, Pitt's win over the Citadel next week is going to be huge, but I guess we'll have to wait for WVU to pound the winner of Ohio state/Michigan in the National Championship game for the Big East to have a chance to say something.
Also, Louisville finally knocked Miami (sports.espn.go.com) out of the polls, that's gotta count for something, right?
Originally posted by redsoxnationSouth Florida: With their schedule, they could be unbeaten going into their last 2 games at Louisville and West Virginia. But, when you go life and death with UCF and FIU, it is going to take a while to get respect nationally They will be beneath TCU in the rankings until that time even if they are unbeaten. Have a big year with Miami and FSU down and maybe the opportunity is their for them to become a force on the national scene as the 4th Florida school.
I'm a USF alum, and I try not to get my hopes up. They definitely could be undefeated (they go to Kansas and UNC, both tough but winnable games for them) going to Louisville and WVU to close the year, but I try not to think about it because then I start convincing myself that they actually have a chance in those games.
That said - USF is starting a freshman quarterback who struggled in their first two games, against McNeese St. (1-AA) and FIU, before lighting up UCF for 342 yards and three TDs (take that, Sante Sangre!). I really think this guy (Matt Grothe) is gonna be a star and is going to be the player that lifts the team, in its 10th year of existence, above the UCF/FIU/Kansas level (ha, UCF wishes it were on par with Kansas!), if they ever stop playing those kinds of teams.
They also have a home-and-home with Miami starting in 2009, two games against Florida (both in Gainesville, though) coming in, I believe, 2009-10. So if they can keep scoring wins over Louisville every other year and maybe even WVU once in a while, and Miami continues to suck, I think we could be seeing a new "Big Three" in Florida in the near future.
But hey, I've been saying that for three years. Also, I know I'm probably the only one on this board that cares about what I just rambled about. Enjoy! Matt Grothe for Heisman!
(edited by TheBucsFan on 17.9.06 1453) "I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don't have as many people who believe it."
He broke combined rushing/passing records? Not being a dick, I just only remember him getting QB rushing records. I think the "he sucks" thing probably comes about because his passing stats were (by NFL standards) pretty dire.