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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.63
So, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Texas. If this was WWE we would have a triple threat match, but now we've got to wait for the computers. Personally, I love how Mike Leach said that each school's graduation rate should be the tie-breaker (on a totally unrelated note, Texas Tech has by far the highest rate of the three schools).

Anyone else think Florida is just going to steamroll Alabama next week?

Here's hoping for a Utah/Boise State BCS title game!
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I'm actually hoping the Fiesta Bowl thinks outside the box and gives us Boise State vs. Utah, should Missouri not spring the upset next weekend. That would then provide a USC/Penn State Rose Bowl, Alabama/Florida loser vs. Oklahoma/Texas odd team out Sugar Bowl, BCS Title game of Alabama/Florida winner vs. Oklahoma/Texas odd team in game, and the Orange Bowl with Cincy vs. BC/Va. Tech. Except for the Orange Bowl, there would be a level of interest in every game. That would be better than Utah vs. Texas/Oklahoma odd team out and Alabama/Florida loser vs. Ohio State.
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There'$ ZERO chance of Ohio $tate not making it to a BC$ bowl.
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So, everyone starting to believe me that Georgia was overrated and Georgia Tech is an above average team and close to great?

    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    There'$ ZERO chance of Ohio $tate not making it to a BC$ bowl.


I'd say more like a 3 percent chance. But yeah, it's not likely.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    I'm actually hoping the Fiesta Bowl thinks outside the box and gives us Boise State vs. Utah,

    ...

    Except for the Orange Bowl, there would be a level of interest in every game.

Uhhhh, the "level of interest" in a Boise State v. Utah game would be somewhere between "football nerds only" and "zero." Just because YOU'D be interested and I'D be interested doesn't mean many other people outside of Utah and Idaho would be interested. The Fiesta Bowl wouldn't even DREAM of putting together such a game unless they're trying to sink their own ship, ratings-wise and gate-wise. It'd be something new alright, but so would driving a car with your feet. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

Losing a shot at the ACC title game thanks to UVA (beating us when they shouldn't and also blowing a shot at overtime against VT) reeks of suckiness, but I guarantee you 99 out of 100 Georgia Tech fans don't care one bit right now. To hell with Georgia!!

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by redsoxnation
      I'm actually hoping the Fiesta Bowl thinks outside the box and gives us Boise State vs. Utah,

      ...

      Except for the Orange Bowl, there would be a level of interest in every game.

    Uhhhh, the "level of interest" in a Boise State v. Utah game would be somewhere between "football nerds only" and "zero." Just because YOU'D be interested and I'D be interested doesn't mean many other people outside of Utah and Idaho would be interested. The Fiesta Bowl wouldn't even DREAM of putting together such a game unless they're trying to sink their own ship, ratings-wise and gate-wise. It'd be something new alright, but so would driving a car with your feet. Doesn't mean it's a good idea.

    Losing a shot at the ACC title game thanks to UVA (beating us when they shouldn't and also blowing a shot at overtime against VT) reeks of suckiness, but I guarantee you 99 out of 100 Georgia Tech fans don't care one bit right now. To hell with Georgia!!

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    (edited by StingArmy on 30.11.08 1504)


Musburger brought up Boise St. and Utah making it ahead of Ohio St. last night, but not playing each other, and more in a "look at the little guys, thinking they have a shot!" way. Supposedly the Fiesta DID scout Boise St., and they did put on a decent enough show last time they were there, but I don't see how they'd be taken over Ohio St.



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Boise's closer to Arizona than Columbus is. And they're higher ranked in the BCS. And they have zero. And Ohio State has two. Those are all reasons. That being said.. Buckeyes will go. :(



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.56
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Boise's closer to Arizona than Columbus is. And they're higher ranked in the BCS. And they have zero. And Ohio State has two. Those are all reasons. That being said.. Buckeyes will go. :(

I'm not saying it's right, but OSU does travel like nobody's business. The last few times they've been to the Fiesta Bowl, there's been a sea of scarlet & gray.

That said, I'd be all for Boise v. Utah. I can't help but think it'd be a fun game.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by whatever
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Boise's closer to Arizona than Columbus is. And they're higher ranked in the BCS. And they have zero. And Ohio State has two. Those are all reasons. That being said.. Buckeyes will go. :(

    I'm not saying it's right, but OSU does travel like nobody's business. The last few times they've been to the Fiesta Bowl, there's been a sea of scarlet & gray.

    That said, I'd be all for Boise v. Utah. I can't help but think it'd be a fun game.





Remember, Ohio State is not really in play for the Fiesta. The 'safe' match-up for them to go with would be Texas vs. Utah, which would leave Ohio State in the Sugar (after the Hawaii fiasco the Sugar isn't touching an outside team if they don't have to) against the SEC runner-up, and if I'm going to see Ohio State vs. an SEC team again I'd rather it be in the Citrus/Capital One Bowl vs. Georgia.
I can see the rationale for going Texas/Utah by the Fiesta, as the Texas fans would travel and it would give Texas a shot at claiming the AP top spot should they beat an unbeaten Utah and the BCS title game be a snooze won by Oklahoma.
Boise and Utah have both won the Fiesta Bowl in the last 5 years, and it would have the draw of the two top non-bcs teams being unbeaten and having an opportunity to face each other on the big stage.
Now, watch Missouri pull a K-State against Oklahoma and put Texas in the national title game and put Missouri into the Fiesta Bowl.
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After KU scored that last second upset of Missouri I wondered if that game might have put OU over Texas. OU was going to gain ground by beating OK State, but the voters moved toward Texas this week anyway. However Missouri losing made that win less impressive, possibly making the difference.

In my view, Texas is still the better team, mostly because of their defense. But oh well, we'll see what happens now.

Also Andrews may actually retire after that beating Tebow gave him. Seriously.

And being a Maryland fan for even a few hours is incredibly painful. How do the die hards do it?
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An interesting bit of semi-insider info: UGA fans are absolutely quaking in their boots at the prospect of playing Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl. They know OSU has crapped themselves the past few years against SEC teams and they don't want to be the ones to break that trend. And they know (or at least think they know) that Pryor and Beanie Wells will obliterate a UGA defense that apparently hasn't been taught how to tackle.

Oklahoma is absolutely KILLING fools right now, but Texas hasn't gotten even slightly worse during the season and THEY beat Oklahoma on a neutral field. Their only loss was by a few points to a concensus top 10 team and was arguably due to a fluke. If and when Oklahoma beats Mizzou they should be on their way to play the SEC champ in Miami, but I don't see how this can sit right with anybody. Maybe if Texas had been playing questionably as of late but like I said, they still look really good.

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Here is an honest question. If these three things happen, all of which are entirely possible (if not likely)...

- Washington loses to Cal (they are 33-point 'dogs).
- Cincinnati loses at Hawaii (surely the Bearcats are favored...but it's Hawaii)
- Oklahoma beats Missouri

...since Washington and CIncinnati are both teams Oklahoma has beaten, could they actually lose enough points to go back down to #3 even with a win Saturday, especially an unimpressive one?

The more I look at OU vs. UT the more annoyed I get, and I'm one who has repeatedly said "get rid of the polls". In this case Oklahoma is the Big XII champion pretty much because their OUT-OF-CONFERENCE sked had two 10-win teams, but that really shouldn't be factored into deciding the CONFERENCE champion, IMO.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
    Here is an honest question. If these three things happen, all of which are entirely possible (if not likely)...

    - Washington loses to Cal (they are 33-point 'dogs).
    - Cincinnati loses at Hawaii (surely the Bearcats are favored...but it's Hawaii)
    - Oklahoma beats Missouri

    ...since Washington and CIncinnati are both teams Oklahoma has beaten, could they actually lose enough points to go back down to #3 even with a win Saturday, especially an unimpressive one?

    The more I look at OU vs. UT the more annoyed I get, and I'm one who has repeatedly said "get rid of the polls". In this case Oklahoma is the Big XII champion pretty much because their OUT-OF-CONFERENCE sked had two 10-win teams, but that really shouldn't be factored into deciding the CONFERENCE champion, IMO.




In a perfect world it shouldn't, but when it is a 3 team tie with all the teams at 11-1 and the 1 loss for each is in a round robin manner, you start getting down deep in the tiebreakers. It's actually better that they break it on Oklahoma having wins over 2 BCS top 15 teams non-conference than on total points, because then you would see teams really running it up with the cover that it is a tie-breaker. Other options would be to have the other coaches in the Big XII vote on who should be Big XII Champ, which is an even worse idea, or do a series of coin tosses.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    In a perfect world it shouldn't, but when it is a 3 team tie with all the teams at 11-1 and the 1 loss for each is in a round robin manner, you start getting down deep in the tiebreakers. It's actually better that they break it on Oklahoma having wins over 2 BCS top 15 teams non-conference than on total points, because then you would see teams really running it up with the cover that it is a tie-breaker. Other options would be to have the other coaches in the Big XII vote on who should be Big XII Champ, which is an even worse idea, or do a series of coin tosses.


Except that there are like a million different tiebreaking scenarios that they could have implemented, none of which would have involved any out-of-conference games having an impact. Heck, even if Texas Tech would have won based on one of those scenarios that would have been better.

I know the last time Washington went to the Rose Bowl it was this exact same situation with a three-way tie including the Huskies, Oregon, and Oregon State, all of whom beat one of the others. The Pac-10 tiebreaker in that case involves going down the standings and comparing records against the fourth-place team, then fifth-place team, until the tie is broken. If you used that for the Big XII standings Texas wins based on their win over North division champion-Missouri, who didn't play OU or Tech.

If you use the NFL tiebreakers (which would be my preference) you would end up at strength of victory being used to break the tie, but incredibly those all equal out between the three teams. (OU and Tech beat 4-4 Kansas, 2-6 KSU, and 5-3 Nebraska, while Texas beat 5-3 Missouri, 4-4 Kansas, and 2-6 Colorado.) In that case, the NFL goes to ranking for points scored and points allowed in the conference, which gives Texas (3rd for/1st against) the edge again over OU (1st scored/4th against) and Tech (2nd for/5th against).

The Big Ten tiebreaker eliminates the most recent champion first, which would remove Oklahoma in this case and give Texas Tech the Big XII South championship based on their win over Texas. I think the Big Ten probably does it this way to avoid repeat teams going to the Rose Bowl, but I don't think it is the beast way to pick a team to possibly be in the national championship game.

The ACC uses the same tiebreaker as the SEC, which is the BCS standings unless the top-two teams are less than five spots apart in the BCS, in which case you go to head-to-head. That would put Texas in the Big XII title game.

In fairness, the Big East just goes straight to BCS rankings if they have this scenario, so that's an Oklahoma win. You would think they would change that in the fall-out from this.

I would even prefer my local high school league's tiebreaker, which is the margin of victory in head-to-head games up to 14 points (to deter running up the score). Texas wins that, too, since both them and OU are +4 in the points, and Texas beat OU head-to-head.

It seems as though (and the Big XII would be particularly sensitive to this with their history of sending non-champions to the national championship game) that they were trying to avoid THAT particular controversy again but they just ended up with a different one.



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I think Texas is better but I don't think it's a big deal that OU gets the nod. Texas fans are going nuts here but in the end all their excuses(Stoops campaigning, coaches voting for friends, we beat them head to head) all are trumped by "yes but you still lost to Texas Tech". People say that because Tech got beat so badly they aren't in the discussion but how can they not be? Isn't Tech getting crushed by OU and almost losing to Baylor a negative against Texas?

It's not what I was hoping for, but in the end Texas can only look in the mirror and realize they should have won that game.
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Exactly. Texas' best argument isn't "we beat OU on a neutral field", it's "OU beat the team that beat us so badly they're not in the discussion anymore". If Texas doesn't drop that interception, or tackle Crabtree on that last play against Tech, we're not even having this discussion.

I honestly think Texas should go, but they way they've carried on like spoiled crybabies over the last week kinda makes me happy they aren't.



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I think Texas saying that they beat OU head to head on a neutral field trumps any other argument anyone makes. In the end it just shows how stupid the BCS is and how bad we need a playoff.

It would be nice if the Mizzou pass D would show up next week though. I was at the KU/MU game and it was amazing how stupid the secondary plays. Hell, there were a lot of plays where a reciever was wide open and Reesing didn't get them the ball. I'll drive the bus to Toledo for D coordinator Eberflus if he takes that job.


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    Originally posted by MUTigermask
    I think Texas saying that they beat OU head to head on a neutral field trumps any other argument anyone makes.





My problem with that is it's basically saying Texas's loss doesn't count at all. And it should.
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1. Missouri is a top 25 team. Whatever points that OU would lose in the computers (which they already trailed in, I think) would be negated by beating a top 25 team.. on a neutral field.

2. The team getting robbed here is Tech. They had a great season and a big letdown game against OU at Norman where OU is unstoppable, and now they might go to the Holiday Bowl against Oregon or Oregon State? Not right, man, not right.

3. Whoever said anything about Georgia being scared to play Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl.. did you mean the Capital One Bowl?

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    And being a Maryland fan for even a few hours is incredibly painful. How do the die hards do it?


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Will Missouri still be a top 25 team if OU whips them though? But it doesn't matter really because it hurts Texas just the same. The only way Texas can move ahead is if the coaches do it. I don't see that happening, but who knows when they actually have to show us how they voted next week.

With Tech, yeah it sucks, but they were just destroyed by OU so they can't complain too much.

As for FSU, maybe the Gator bowl against Nebraska? I'm happy with that.
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