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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    USC vs Utah anyone?

Oregon State has to lose for that to be possible. There's no way they'll put a USC team that didn't win the Pac-10 into the title game. The political implications would be too damaging.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      USC vs Utah anyone?

    Oregon State has to lose for that to be possible. There's no way they'll put a USC team that didn't win the Pac-10 into the title game. The political implications would be too damaging.


Have you not looked at the rankings? Or paid attention to what they've done in the past(nebraska..hint hint). Tell me who else they'd put in there at that point and how they would manipulate the rankings to make that happen. USC if fifth with two games to go. if everyone i said happened, all the teams above them would be out of it no question, which leaves Utah and penn State both of which have no games left to play so I'm not sure how you would see USC winning twice and moving below either of them.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.53
    Originally posted by wmatistic
    The ACC is getting pretty easy to figure the last few weeks. if you are ranked higher or favored, you lose. Not 100% accurate but close enough. Going by that, Virginia will upset Tech, giving Georgia Tech the shot and Maryland will upset BC giving FSU the nod. Which now that I said it will never happen.

    Texas did get screwed by the voters but the computers liked them enough to give them a slight edge over OU for now. Be nice to see someone crunch the numbers on what it will look like if both win their games next week, as clearly OU would inch closer.

I agree with your assessment of how to predict ACC games. It seems like you can also add that the underdog will usually win BIG.

As for the Big 12 stuff, I read a couple of articles tonight that suggest OU is in a better position than Texas. If they beat OSU, people seems to think they'll get nudged just a liiiiitle bit higher than Texas in the BCS rankings (it helps that Texas hs to play Texas A&M, which will hurt their strength of schedule). And since BCS standings are the three-way tiebreaker in the Big 12, OU will play in the conference title game against Mizzou instead of Texas or Texas Tech. And assuming they beat Mizzou, they should be off to another title game.

At this point I almost want Auburn to beat Alabama who will then beat Florida so that two of the Big 12 teams can take a shot at each other in the national championship game. Or maybe they can make it a triple threat match?? What does the BCS have to say about number of teams from one conference playing in bowl games if two of them are playing in the same game? Is it still limited to 2?

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.20
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    Originally posted by wmatastic
    Have you not looked at the rankings? Or paid attention to what they've done in the past(nebraska..hint hint). Tell me who else they'd put in there at that point and how they would manipulate the rankings to make that happen. USC if fifth with two games to go. if everyone i said happened, all the teams above them would be out of it no question, which leaves Utah and penn State both of which have no games left to play so I'm not sure how you would see USC winning twice and moving below either of them.

Obviously, you've forgotten what happened just last year, when Georgia was ranked three spots above LSU in the second-to-last BCS poll, only for LSU to jump above them after they won a SEC title game that Georgia was left out of. Conference titles matter, and the pollsters will do their darndest to exclude USC from the big one if they don't win the Pac-10, because it would send a really bad message if they didn't.

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    As for the Big 12 stuff, I read a couple of articles tonight that suggest OU is in a better position than Texas. If they beat OSU, people seems to think they'll get nudged just a liiiiitle bit higher than Texas in the BCS rankings (it helps that Texas hs to play Texas A&M, which will hurt their strength of schedule). And since BCS standings are the three-way tiebreaker in the Big 12, OU will play in the conference title game against Mizzou instead of Texas or Texas Tech. And assuming they beat Mizzou, they should be off to another title game.

On the flip side, if Oklahoma loses to Oklahoma State, guess who gets to go face Missouri? Texas Tech does, because there would be no three-way tie and Tech's win over Texas would rule as a result. So what the Longhorns need is to blow out A&M and hope that Oklahoma wins in a *much* closer game than people are expecting.

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    What does the BCS have to say about number of teams from one conference playing in bowl games if two of them are playing in the same game? Is it still limited to 2?

I addressed this in last week's thread, but the only scenario where it's possible for a conference to get more than 2 teams is if the top 2 teams are at-large entries from the same conference (with the third team being the champ of that conference).



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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    So lets look at the armageddon scenario for fun. OU and Texas lose next week, putting Tech back into the Big 12 title game where they lose to Missouri. Florida loses to FSU then beats Bama.

    USC vs Utah anyone?


One thing about "they won't put USC in" if they aren't the Pac-10 champs - it is a black-and-white thing. If USC is 1 or #2 in the final standings, they are in. There's no "putting them in".

Honestly, I think Texas is extremely likely to win out against Kansas and Missouri. However, OU has to go to Stillwater and Florida goes to Tallahassee - both losable games, so it isn't really that much of a stretch that...

- UT wins out
- OU loses at OSU
- UF loses at FSU, beats BAMA in the SEC title game

...which would set the stage for UT/USC, the rematch.

EDIT: At TK points out above, OU losing puts Tech into the Big XII title game, so actually (because I think the rankings would stay as they are) you would ostensibly have not-Big XII champ Texas vs. Pac-8 co-champ USC (despite losing the Rose Bowl tiebreaker, they are considered co-champs by the Pac-8.)

(edited by JayJayDean on 23.11.08 2102)


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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly

    Obviously, you've forgotten what happened just last year, when Georgia was ranked three spots above LSU in the second-to-last BCS poll, only for LSU to jump above them after they won a SEC title game that Georgia was left out of. Conference titles matter, and the pollsters will do their darndest to exclude USC from the big one if they don't win the Pac-10, because it would send a really bad message if they didn't.


I'm not forgetting last year but this isn't the same. Tell me the team that would then be ranked behind USC that would get a win big enough to justify it. They'd all be coming off a recent loss, or not playing at all. USC won't be sitting idle, they'll be playing UCLA that week and even if they want to I don't think there's much of a chance they would jump any of those teams over USC at that point. Especially considering USC's track record in bowl games.

Not that I think that all will really happen, but if it did I don't see USC getting left out.

Jay, what did you mean when you said Texas would win out over Kansas and Missouri? They only have A&M left on the schedule.

I don't think Texas can do anything against A&M that will make a difference if OU beats OK State even if that game is close. State is still a highly ranked team so any win is a good one. The voters already have OK ranked ahead of Texas so they're not going to change that based on a win over A&M and I don't think most computer rankings take margin of victory into account. Maybe Texas hangs on just enough if they both win anyway but they probably need OU to lose.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Jay, what did you mean when you said Texas would win out over Kansas and Missouri? They only have A&M left on the schedule.


I was quite obviously drunk and misread the schedule, but my point stands since A&M is actually worse than Kansas. (Missouri was in reference to the Big XII title game, but like TK said if OU loses then that's a non-issue.)



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin

    The Maryland/FSU game is still bugging me. Everyone is right, Turner gets rattled too easily and he just completely lost the plot. But you can hardly blame him. FSU's defense came to play and completely destroyed our O-Line. Turner kept getting lit up like a christmas tree in the first half, to the point where even the announcers were laughing a little and feeling sorry for the kid.

    If FSU comes like that against Tebow and the Gators next week.. it will be a lot closer than people think.




I'm not about to get my hopes up against the Gators. Sure we could do decent but I just don't know. Our OOC games came early in the season against weak competition so I have no clue how the ACC stacks up as a whole or how FSU will look against Florida.

However I did notice that Maryland has an advantage of BC being without their starting QB next week. With the backup playing they couldn't move the ball at all with the exception of that last minute drive to win. Stop the run and Maryland has a great shot at winning.
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USC will play Utah, just in the Fiesta Bowl and not the national title. And it would be interesting. I think they played in the 2001 Las Vegas Bowl, and USC didn't win. Not a vitally important stat at all, just an interesting one.

Florida State will hang with Florida, and I am calling for the upset. I am hardly ever right, though, so take that for what its worth.

The ACC title game will be VT vs FSU again. No way Virginia can beat VT, but I think Maryland will come out fired up and beat another ranked team.

EDIT - And I still think Texas Tech, say, 70-14, over Missouri in the Big 12 title game could move them ahead of USC.

(edited by Psycho Penguin on 24.11.08 1414)


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This is the CatastrophicAnnihilation.com top 25 through all of week 13

Rank LW Team Record Rating
1 1 Alabama 11-0 1359.2663 *SEC WEST CHAMPION
2 4 Utah 12-0 1355.7457 *MWC CHAMPION
3 3 Texas 10-1 1352.6902 *Big 12 South co-leader
4 2 Florida 10-1 1348.1909 *SEC EAST CHAMPION
5 6 Oklahoma 10-1 1344.0390 *Big 12 South co-leader

6 8 Penn State 11-1 1339.5460 *BIG TEN CHAMPION
7 5 Texas Tech 10-1 1328.3506 *Big 12 South co-leader
8 11 Boise State 11-0 1324.1916 *WAC CHAMPION
9 12 Ohio State 10-2 1320.1191 *Big Ten co-champion
10 7 USC 9-1 1318.5836 *Pac-10 co-leader

11 9 Georgia 9-2 1313.1886
12 16 Ball State 11-0 1309.0537 *MAC WEST CHAMPION
13 17 TCU 10-2 1303.1253
14 14 Missouri 9-2 1302.9116 *Big 12 North leader
15 20 Cincinnati 9-2 1301.7753 *Big East leader

16 10 Michigan State 9-3 1298.0584
17 15 Oklahoma State 9-2 1295.7453
18 13 BYU 10-2 1294.3549
19 23 Oregon State 8-3 1281.5102 *Pac-10 co-leader
20 27 Northwestern 9-3 1278.4100

21 30 Boston College 8-3 1276.4589
22 34 Florida State 8-3 1275.6926 *ACC Atlantic leader
23 18 Pittsburgh 7-3 1273.8579
24 33 Georgia Tech 8-3 1272.9016 *ACC Coastal leader
25 26 Western Michigan 9-2 1269.1339

Notes:

There are 5 Big 12; 4 Big Ten; 3 ACC & SEC & MWC;
& 2 Big East & Pac-10 & MAC schools in the top 25.



Click here for the full 120 team rankings.
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