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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
With a win over Pitt, Cincinnati basically clinches a BCS berth. All the Bearcats have to do is beat Syracuse at home next week and they're in.

EDIT: Oh yeah! Syracuse beat Notre Dame in South Bend! I love seeing the Irish struggle. In a bit of drama that only really matters to fans of Notre Dame and Big East schools, the Irish are vying for a spot in one of the Big East's top non-BCS bowl games. The Sun Bowl and Gator Bowl have a deal that over four years, they can each take the Big East twice and the Big XII twice, but Notre Dame can be substituted for the Big East team. Notre Dame is obviously, in terms of marketing, a better choice than any Big East team - pretty much any team in the country, really - and at 6-5 (6-6 after they lose to USC next week), the Irish are bowl eligible. Now the Gator Bowl or Sun Bowl are probably going to take a 6-6 Irish team over a Big East team, even though the Irish clearly suck and have lost to two Big East teams at home - including fucking Syracuse.

Tech getting slaughtered by the Sooners puts the Big XII South in a three-way tie. That appears to put Texas in the driver's seat to face Mizzou in the title game, as I don't see this win bumping Oklahoma over the Longhorns in the BCS standings. That also makes the title game spot Texas' to lose.

Florida and Alabama can make the same claim, as they will face in the SEC title game, with the winner heading to the championship game. Unless either of both of them stumble this week - both have rivalry games (the Gators host Florida State while Alabama heads to Auburn).

Speaking of the SEC, Ole Miss is obviously decent, as they did go into Gainesville and hand the Gators their only loss. But LSU is not the Gators, and Ole Miss won much easier in Baton Rouge than in Gainesville. At least the Tigers didn't give up 50 at home again.

Ohio State beat Michigan for the school-record fifth straight year, and Rich Rodriguez's nightmare continues. A win over Michigan State clinches a BCS bid for Penn State, though Ohio State is still in the running for a BCS spot as well.

And it looks like Utah is heading to the BCS again, probably to face an SEC team in the Sugar Bowl or a Big XII team in the Fiesta Bowl. Maybe they can play Urban Meyer and the Gators.

And what the fuck is going to happen in the ACC next? VaTech beat Georgia Tech earlier this year, so if the Hokies beat Virginia next week, they win the tiebreaker atop that division at 5-3 and go to the title game. Otherwise, Georgia Tech takes the spot. In the Atlantic, Boston College wins the division with a win over Maryland next week, winning a tiebreaker over Florida State courtesy of a win earlier this year. If Maryland wins that game, the Seminoles win the division thanks to their win over the Terps today.

Oregon State wins at Arizona, setting up a showdown with Oregon next week with a BCS spot on the line for the Beavers. A win there or a USC loss to UCLA in two weeks gives Oregon State the Pac-10 title.

So the BCS matchups for now appear to be something like this:

BCS Title game: Texas vs Alabama/Florida
Rose Bowl: Oregon State vs Penn State
Orange Bowl: Cincinnati vs ACC Champ
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs Utah
Sugar Bowl: Alabama/Florida vs USC

Interesting that right now, it appears that a top-10 Ohio State team will be left out of the BCS, mainly thanks to Oregon State beating USC. The Beavers could easily lose to Oregon, however, in which case USC goes to the Rose Bowl and the Buckeyes probably take that spot in the Sugar Bowl.

Of course, I don't think Oregon State is that bad, and I think the Beavers should be ranked a little higher. Two of their three losses have been to teams heading to the BCS (Penn State and Utah) and all three losses were on the road.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 23.11.08 1109)
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What is the order this year in terms of 'which bowl gets first crack at the at-large teams'?
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I may be wrong, but I think it goes like this:

Assuming the SEC champ is ranked No 1, the Sugar Bowl gets first pick. Then, assuming the Big XII champ is ranked No 2, the Fiesta Bowl gets the second pick.

Now, for the remaining four spots, it goes like this:

Fiesta, Sugar, Orange.

So I see the picks going like this (for simplicity's sake, I'm going to say Alabama wins the SEC undefeated):

Sugar picks Florida with its first replacement pick.

Fiesta picks Oklahoma with the second replacement pick.

Automatic berths now have to be picked ahead of at-larges, so the Fiesta has to pick between Utah and the Big East champ. The bowl picks Utah, as Cincinnati's limited marketability is even less out west.

The Sugar then takes USC.

The Orange takes the only team left, Cincinnati.

Again, I may be missing something, but I think this is how the rules go.

EDIT: Actually, a few things here don't make sense. for one thing, in my scenario, the Sugar would have to take Cincy over USC, unless that "auto bids must go before at-larges" bit is something I made up. Also, it's likely that two out of the three of USC and the Big XII and SEC runners-up will have auto bids as well, ranking Nos 3 and 4. So I should leave it to someone else who knows what they're talking about.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 23.11.08 1320)
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    (the Gators host Florida State while Alabama heads to Auburn).


Not that it'll make a difference, but the Florida/FSU game is in Tallahassee this year, not Gainesville.

I'm really, really worried that Stoops at OU pulled his usual trick of running up the score to make everyone think they'll roll over every team enough that they'll push into the number two spot. Heck the guys on ESPN were saying "this is a different team since that Texas game, they're crushing people now"

Guys? That's EXACTLY what they were doing before the Texas game and you said they were unstoppable then too only to be proven wrong. This is the SAME team that lost to Texas, in every way so stop making stuff up. You had Texas ranked ahead before this game, they should still be ranked ahead now. The only thing saving Texas here is that everyone thinks Florida is unbeatable at the moment too and I think the voters will have a real hard time moving OU over Texas AND Florida.

Thank you Boston College for pulling that game out your ass today. And thank you Maryland for being unable to handle the roll of favorite yet again. Now please do me a huuuuuge favor and beat BC next week. Pretty please.
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That was the worst night of football ever. Maybe the 2001 Orange Bowl can top it.. but damn.. my favorite team AND my national title pick losing BADLY at the same time on national TV was no fun.

Oh, and if I hear one more "Texas beat OU so they have to be ranked ahead" argument I will lose my mind. And I LIKE Texas more.

ACC comes down to VT/Virginia and BC/Maryland.

(edited by Psycho Penguin on 23.11.08 0135)


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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Oh, and if I hear one more "Texas beat OU so they have to be ranked ahead" argument I will lose my mind.


Why? What better argument is there when the two teams have the same record against roughly the same quality schedule and have played head-to-head?
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I am so happy for Ole Miss. It's a strong combination of me reading The Blind Side, and me loving Kent Austin, Miss's OC.

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I had worked out in my head/online last week that if GT beat Miami they still would need a TON of help to make it into the ACC title game since they would need 1 loss from each of UNC, Virginia, and Virginia Tech. Imagine my surprise when UNC loses at home by THIRTY-ONE to an awful NC State team and Virginia loses at home to a not-so-hot Clemson team in the same week that Georgia Tech stomps a mudhole in a ranked Miami team. I even had the audacity to hope that Dook would pull off the upset and hand Virginia Tech a loss, but I guess that was just me being greedy (came pretty damn close though). Guess it's time for me to become a Virginia fan for one weekend. Go Cavs!

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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Oh, and if I hear one more "Texas beat OU so they have to be ranked ahead" argument I will lose my mind.


    Why? What better argument is there when the two teams have the same record against roughly the same quality schedule and have played head-to-head?


Well, Texas Tech need to be ranked ahead of Texas then. They have played roughly the same quality schedule and have played head to head.
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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    That was the worst night of football ever. Maybe the 2001 Orange Bowl can top it.. but damn.. my favorite team AND my national title pick losing BADLY at the same time on national TV was no fun.

    (edited by Psycho Penguin on 23.11.08 0135)


I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, given the way the Terps have handled prosperity all year (they haven't)....but GOOD GOD that was awful. I can handle losing, but instead of coming out fired up, they didn't show up to play at all, while Bowden had FSU ready to kick ass and take names. Turner threw some terrible interceptions in the first half (that red zone INT where he threw the ball into an area where 4 Seminoles and 1 MD player were waiting was inexcusable), and the FSU defenders were terrorizing our O-line.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.15
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
        Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
        Oh, and if I hear one more "Texas beat OU so they have to be ranked ahead" argument I will lose my mind.


      Why? What better argument is there when the two teams have the same record against roughly the same quality schedule and have played head-to-head?


    Well, Texas Tech need to be ranked ahead of Texas then. They have played roughly the same quality schedule and have played head to head.
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    Now, you see.


I understand that, but Texas Tech just lost a game by 44 points. The only teams in the discussion are Texas and Oklahoma, making their head-to-head game plenty relevant.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 23.11.08 1730)
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by eventhis
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      That was the worst night of football ever. Maybe the 2001 Orange Bowl can top it.. but damn.. my favorite team AND my national title pick losing BADLY at the same time on national TV was no fun.

      (edited by Psycho Penguin on 23.11.08 0135)


    I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, given the way the Terps have handled prosperity all year (they haven't)....but GOOD GOD that was awful. I can handle losing, but instead of coming out fired up, they didn't show up to play at all, while Bowden had FSU ready to kick ass and take names. Turner threw some terrible interceptions in the first half (that red zone INT where he threw the ball into an area where 4 Seminoles and 1 MD player were waiting was inexcusable), and the FSU defenders were terrorizing our O-line.



Well I have to say Turner made some bad decisions but you could hardly blame the kid. He was running for his life. Seems like a pretty tough one though, he took killer shots all night and kept getting up.
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Head to head didn't matter in '93 between Notre Dame and Florida State, nor in 2000 between Miami and Florida State, so why would head-to-head count in 2008? It should count, but I can see the voters vaulting Oklahoma ahead of Texas.
Ohio State can thank Arizona's atrocious 'prevent' defense when they go to the Citrus Bowl. Unless a BCS Bowl views Ohio State as traveling better than USC.
I gave Weis the benefit of the doubt after last season. Now, he has to go. This was a schedule so weak that 8-9 wins should have been automatic. Hopefully the big money ND alums haven't been completely wiped out in the market and can write him a check to leave.
Of course, there is one coach worse than Weis, his predecessor Ty. How do you score only 13 points in 2 OT's against a Washington State team that everyone else has hung 60's on?
Cincy going to a BCS game? Never thought I'd see the day.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by eventhis
        Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
        That was the worst night of football ever. Maybe the 2001 Orange Bowl can top it.. but damn.. my favorite team AND my national title pick losing BADLY at the same time on national TV was no fun.

        (edited by Psycho Penguin on 23.11.08 0135)


      I guess I shouldn't have been surprised, given the way the Terps have handled prosperity all year (they haven't)....but GOOD GOD that was awful. I can handle losing, but instead of coming out fired up, they didn't show up to play at all, while Bowden had FSU ready to kick ass and take names. Turner threw some terrible interceptions in the first half (that red zone INT where he threw the ball into an area where 4 Seminoles and 1 MD player were waiting was inexcusable), and the FSU defenders were terrorizing our O-line.



    Well I have to say Turner made some bad decisions but you could hardly blame the kid. He was running for his life. Seems like a pretty tough one though, he took killer shots all night and kept getting up.



Oh, trust me, I have plenty of vitriol saved up for the Terps' O-Line. Much respect to FSU's defense, but when the other team's linemen are basically camped out in your backfield...that, to me, speaks to missed assignments, general bad play, and not being prepared (can you tell I'm still bitter?).

To chime in on the Big 12 debate: the idealist in me is screaming "We need a PLAYOFF!!!" The realist in me says we're stuck with what we've got, so if these regular season games are supposed to be uber-special, then head-to-head should matter. TheBucsFan already said it best: Tech gets bounced because they had the worst loss of the three, leaving OU and Texas, and Texas beat OU. If they both have the same record, and one team proved on the field that it's better than the other, nothing that the "other" did against another team should be of any consequence
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You're right, Weis is a terrible coach. I don't need to give him any more time. How can they keep making such bad hires at Notre Dame? And why is it big news still that they lose games like this?

Even if you don't go with head to head for the Big 12, in those other cases you mentioned it was "who's loss is worse" that made the difference. Texas Tech is clearly the worst in that way. OU lost at a neutral site by 10 to a top five team, coming off of five straight cupcakes(yes I just called Cincy and TCU cupcakes). Texas lost at Texas tech on a last second play after three straight games against top 15 teams.

I just don't see any way to justify either moving OU ahead of both Texas and Florida or dropping Texas behind both of those teams, as that's what we're talking about here. Provided they all win their final regular season games of course, none of which are a sure thing.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan

    EDIT: Actually, a few things here don't make sense. for one thing, in my scenario, the Sugar would have to take Cincy over USC, unless that "auto bids must go before at-larges" bit is something I made up. Also, it's likely that two out of the three of USC and the Big XII and SEC runners-up will have auto bids as well, ranking Nos 3 and 4. So I should leave it to someone else who knows what they're talking about.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 23.11.08 1320)

I believe you did make that up.

    4. After steps No. 1, 2 and 3 have been completed, any bowl with an unfilled slot shall select a team from the automatic qualifiers and/or at-large teams in the following order:

The only rule is that the automatic qualifiers have to be selected eventually.

So unless one of the bowls thinks Utah is a better draw than another team that's available, Utah will slip down to the Orange Bowl.
Also, the Big Ten and Pac-10 Champions have to go to the Rose Bowl unless those teams go to the National Championship.
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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Of course, there is one coach worse than Weis, his predecessor Ty. How do you score only 13 points in 2 OT's against a Washington State team that everyone else has hung 60's on?


Answer: Take a 10-0 lead into the half and sit on it, moving from 20-to-20 pretty well but bogging down in the red zone and missing two field goals that are generally pretty makeable. Also, give up a MIRACLE 50-yard pass with like 10 seconds left to the most inept offensive team ever.

I can't believe they have another game next week.



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Mr. Boffo is right - there's no rule in the BCS by-laws that says that auto-bids have to be selected ahead of at-larges.

So barring Oregon State losing at home against Oregon next week, USC is almost surely headed for the Fiesta to play whichever Big 12 South team doesn't make it into the Big 12 title game. (I hope that team is Oklahoma - they shouldn't jump Texas because Texas beat them on a neutral field, but I'm not getting my hopes up because I've seen pollsters overreact way too many times, and I'm prepared for Texas to get screwed.) If Oregon State does lose, then USC gets the Rose and the Fiesta will likely pluck Ohio State instead. No matter what, though, Utah's almost surely headed for the Sugar to play the loser of the SEC title game, while the Big East champ will play the ACC champ in the Orange in probably one of the biggest snoozefests in BCS history.

The only thing that could fuck this whole thing up now is if Missouri happens to pull an upset in the Big 12 title game.



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The ACC race is not even that confusing any more and giving it to a 1-6 conference team is not a good idea. Anyways, it's coming down to Maryland/BC and Virginia/VT, as Maryland and Virginia can spoil it for BC and VT, and give FSU and GT bids.

Texas lost to a team that lost by 44 points last night, if that game is so vitally relevant now.

The only BCS game set in stone now, I believe, is the Rose, which is contractually obligated to take the Pac 10 champ vs the Big 10 champ. So, unless Oregon comes fired up FSU style, hello Beavers/Lions rematch!

The Maryland/FSU game is still bugging me. Everyone is right, Turner gets rattled too easily and he just completely lost the plot. But you can hardly blame him. FSU's defense came to play and completely destroyed our O-Line. Turner kept getting lit up like a christmas tree in the first half, to the point where even the announcers were laughing a little and feeling sorry for the kid.

If FSU comes like that against Tebow and the Gators next week.. it will be a lot closer than people think.

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The ACC is getting pretty easy to figure the last few weeks. if you are ranked higher or favored, you lose. Not 100% accurate but close enough. Going by that, Virginia will upset Tech, giving Georgia Tech the shot and Maryland will upset BC giving FSU the nod. Which now that I said it will never happen.

Texas did get screwed by the voters but the computers liked them enough to give them a slight edge over OU for now. Be nice to see someone crunch the numbers on what it will look like if both win their games next week, as clearly OU would inch closer.

So lets look at the armageddon scenario for fun. OU and Texas lose next week, putting Tech back into the Big 12 title game where they lose to Missouri. Florida loses to FSU then beats Bama.

USC vs Utah anyone?
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