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If you really think Missouri is as good as they were last year, you may have an argument. May. I don't think anyone said that Tech was perfect. Just that they have a perfect record. And they keep winning all these "statement games". Oklahoma State was supposed to "win" and Tech won by 36. Maybe they are a lot better than last year.

Hey, you know who else beat Tech last year? Oklahoma State. Just saying.

(edited by CRZ on 9.11.08 1238)


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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin

    If you really think Missouri is as good as they were last year, you may have an argument. May. I don't think anyone said that Tech was perfect. Just that they have a perfect record. And they keep winning all these "statement games". Oklahoma State was supposed to "win" and Tech won by 36. Maybe they are a lot better than last year.

    Hey, you know who else beat Tech last year? Oklahoma State. Just saying.


I was responding to TexasKelly handing the South champ the conference. Simply saying that even though it's likely, it's hardly worth betting on with the way things have gone.

Five or six weeks ago people were saying OU was awesome and unstoppable. Then for three weeks we heard that about Texas. Now it's Texas Tech. So while it's neat some people are 100% sure now that we have it right on the third try, I'll wait and see.

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    Originally posted by wmatistic

    I was responding to TexasKelly handing the South champ the conference. Simply saying that even though it's likely, it's hardly worth betting on with the way things have gone.

    Five or six weeks ago people were saying OU was awesome and unstoppable. Then for three weeks we heard that about Texas. Now it's Texas Tech. So while it's neat some people are 100% sure now that we have it right on the third try, I'll wait and see.


I think everyone is jumping to conclusions FAR too much in everything, to be honest. Everyone's acting like Florida/Alabama will be for a shot in the national title, ignoring the fact Alabama could lose before then, and Florida still has to go to Florida State who would love to ruin their rivals season.

Also, he said "Texas Tech is so close. They just have to go into Norman in two weeks and knock the Sooners off. If they can win that game, the division is theirs and they'll have a pretty clear path to the title game." I see nothing wrong with that statement at all to be honest.

(edited by Psycho Penguin on 9.11.08 1251)

(edited by CRZ on 9.11.08 1239)

EDIT - Sorry for all the crazy quoting, CRZ.

(edited by Psycho Penguin on 9.11.08 1426)

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I firmly believe that if Texas Tech were to play Nebraska again this week, we'd be in for a curb-stomping of the most destructive kind from the Red Raiders. They have clearly elevated their level of play from where it was when they faced Nebraska earlier in the season, and that's what championship teams do.

Besides, Nebraska doesn't have much of a shot to win the division, anyway. Their only path is pretty much to win out while Missouri loses out, meaning that Missouri would have to lose to the worst team in the Big 12, Iowa State. (If Missouri only loses the Border War, Nebraska would have to hope not only that Kansas beats Texas as well, but also that the coaches elevate them past both Missouri & Kansas in the ESPN poll; that's what the tiebreaker system would go down to, and it's a highly unlikely result.) If it's just Missouri & Nebraska tied up, Missouri wins because Missouri beat Nebraska head-to-head. Kansas needs to win out and hope Nebraska loses a game along the way. That would put Missouri & Kansas tied up, and the Jayhawks would win the division in that instance because of the Border War win. In the end, though, Missouri has the clear advantage in that division, but a lot of fun chaos would result if the Cyclones can upset them next week.

To address the SEC, yes, it's always possible that Alabama or Florida could lose prior to the SEC title game. Let's look at the schedules:

Alabama: Mississippi State, Auburn
Florida: South Carolina, Citadel, at Florida State

Florida has the tougher path. Mississippi State's only SEC win is against Vandy (which is clearly not as strong a team as it appeared earlier in the season), and Auburn's in such chaos because of the situation with the offense that it's struggling against FCS teams (which, being an Auburn fan, breaks my heart, but even I know that the Tigers don't have a chance in hell against Alabama this year). South Carolina's a team that gives good teams fits but almost never can close the deal. The Citadel is clearly no threat, and then there's Florida State, which like all ACC teams is struggling for an identity. We'll see what happens, but I honestly don't see either team losing any of those games. That would definitely make the SEC championship game a play-in for the national championship.



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I agree with you on Tech and I am glad finally someone is "getting it". Florida gets a free pass for beating all these crappy teams by 40+ points lately, but Tech doesn't get points for the fact they've beaten 3 straight top 25 teams, one by 49 and one by 36. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Auburn is Alabama's big rival. FSU is Florida's big rival. That's the only reason I think both of those games could be closer than the experts think. I certainly don't expect either Alabama or Florida to lose, but it's not as big of a slam dunk as most people think.



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We were discussing this scenario this weekend:

Texas Tech wins out
Alabama loses to Florida
Texas wins out but doesn't have to play in the Big XII title game and sits at #2 waiting for Tech to win the title game and you have 2 Big XII South teams in the BCS title game.

Texas sitting in the catbird seat if Tech beats OU b/c they won't have to play the conference title game.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by TinMan
    We were discussing this scenario this weekend:

    Texas Tech wins out
    Alabama loses to Florida
    Texas wins out but doesn't have to play in the Big XII title game and sits at #2 waiting for Tech to win the title game and you have 2 Big XII South teams in the BCS title game.

    Texas sitting in the catbird seat if Tech beats OU b/c they won't have to play the conference title game.





But at that point the Texas win over OU doesn't look as good to the computers because either they or Okie State have 2 losses, while the other has 3, and Florida would look much better to the computers by knocking off unbeaten Alabama. When Florida's current advantage in the 2 human polls is then weighed in it would be difficult for Texas to be in the 2 slot.
Remember, Michigan was sitting at home in the 2 slot 2 years ago when Florida's winning the SEC Title Game against a Top 6 Arkansas team helped them slip past Michigan. Same scenario could occur with Florida picking up points in the computers while Texas is sitting on the sideline.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.76
I wonder what could have been if LSU had a QB. Saban been lucking out this whole season. Forida should win the SEC Champ and possibly get the BCS Champ. game.
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    Originally posted by TinMan
    We were discussing this scenario this weekend:

    Texas Tech wins out
    Alabama loses to Florida
    Texas wins out but doesn't have to play in the Big XII title game and sits at #2 waiting for Tech to win the title game and you have 2 Big XII South teams in the BCS title game.

    Texas sitting in the catbird seat if Tech beats OU b/c they won't have to play the conference title game.


Really? I don't see any plausible way this happens unfortunately, as much as I want to see a Texas/TTU rematch so very badly.



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    Originally posted by BoromirMark
    When you're in college football you are there to get your team to win, [...] And performing on the college football level, Mendenhall was NOT better than Mike Hart.


Mendenhall has more wins over Ohio State than Mike Hart. [/nitpick]

Also, the Texas Tech band plays the Super Mario them during replays. If they win the challenge, they play the castle theme at the end of a level. If they lose the challenge, they play the "Game Over" tune.

I'm not so sure why everyone is writing off USC and/or Penn State to get back into BCS contention. Nobody expected either Ohio State or LSU to make it back last year after late-season losses, and the last two years, there's always one weekend in November where everything goes to hell. I mean, it's not exactly uncharted territory here.

That said, if you're looking for chaos, how plausible is this scenario?:

-USC and Oregon State win out
-Florida loses to FSU, but beats Alabama in SEC CG
-Texas wins out
-Texas Tech loses to Missouri in Big 12 CG
-Penn State loses to Michigan State

Doesn't that put a 1-loss USC/Texas/Alabama/Texas Tech back in the BCS title game conversation, with none of them actually winning their conference?



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    Originally posted by Battlezone
    Also, the Texas Tech band plays the Super Mario them during replays. If they win the challenge, they play the castle theme at the end of a level. If they lose the challenge, they play the "Game Over" tune.


God bless those western Texans. I'm now officially pulling for them to get to the National Championship game. :p




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    Originally posted by Battlezone
      Originally posted by BoromirMark
      When you're in college football you are there to get your team to win, [...] And performing on the college football level, Mendenhall was NOT better than Mike Hart.


    Mendenhall has more wins over Ohio State than Mike Hart. [/nitpick]

    Also, the Texas Tech band plays the Super Mario them during replays. If they win the challenge, they play the castle theme at the end of a level. If they lose the challenge, they play the "Game Over" tune.

    I'm not so sure why everyone is writing off USC and/or Penn State to get back into BCS contention. Nobody expected either Ohio State or LSU to make it back last year after late-season losses, and the last two years, there's always one weekend in November where everything goes to hell. I mean, it's not exactly uncharted territory here.

    That said, if you're looking for chaos, how plausible is this scenario?:

    -USC and Oregon State win out
    -Florida loses to FSU, but beats Alabama in SEC CG
    -Texas wins out
    -Texas Tech loses to Missouri in Big 12 CG
    -Penn State loses to Michigan State

    Doesn't that put a 1-loss USC/Texas/Alabama/Texas Tech back in the BCS title game conversation, with none of them actually winning their conference?


USC and Penn State are 98.6% done, dude. I'd say PSU is close to 100 percent done. The ONLY way PSU gets back in the race is if they win out, and everyone ahead of them loses badly, including Tech somehow losing not only to Oklahoma but Baylor also. At home. If you want to think that is possible, go right ahead, but this is not the same as last year.

In the scenario you mentioned, Oregon State/Michigan State would be the Rose Bowl, Florida would make the Sugar Bowl, Alabama and Missouri meet in the Fiesta probably, and Texas/USC is your national title.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    In the scenario you mentioned, Oregon State/Michigan State would be the Rose Bowl, Florida would make the Sugar Bowl, Alabama and Missouri meet in the Fiesta probably, and Texas/USC is your national title.

There is no way in hell USC goes to the national championship without winning the Pac-10. The pollsters and computers won't allow it. If Oregon State wins out, the best USC can hope for is a non-Rose Bowl, non-title BCS game, period.

In the scenario he mentioned, Texas & Texas Tech would meet for the national title, Oregon State & Michigan State would meet in the Rose Bowl, Alabama would face USC in the Fiesta (remember, because of the two-team-per-conference limit, the Fiesta wouldn't be able to take a Big 12 team), Florida would get either Utah or Boise State in the Sugar, and the Orange would be stuck with the ACC champ against the Big East champ.

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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly

    There is no way in hell USC goes to the national championship without winning the Pac-10. The pollsters and computers won't allow it. If Oregon State wins out, the best USC can hope for is a non-Rose Bowl, non-title BCS game, period.

    In the scenario he mentioned, Texas & Texas Tech would meet for the national title, Oregon State & Michigan State would meet in the Rose Bowl, Alabama would face USC in the Fiesta (remember, because of the two-team-per-conference limit, the Fiesta wouldn't be able to take a Big 12 team), Florida would get either Utah or Boise State in the Sugar, and the Orange would be stuck with the ACC champ against the Big East champ.



Except I don't think the pollsters are going to go for a conference rematch for a national title game. If they didn't go for it in 2006 with OSU/UM, with all the hype surrounding the finish of THAT game, it's not going to happen again.

The only thing I could imagine is that a 2-loss Florida SEC champion would jump over the other 1-loss teams, but then it falls apart after that. Your champions would be:

SEC: Florida
Big 12: Missouri
Pac 10: Oregon State
Big 10: Ohio State (holds tiebreaker over MSU)
ACC Champion
Big East Champion
At large: Utah, Boise State, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas Tech, Alabama, USC, Penn State

Could-gasp-Utah jump enough to make it interesting? The way the MWC has slapped around the Pac-10 this season, this might be the one year to make an argument.



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If you really think Texas Texas/Texas will be the national title instead of Texas/USC, Texas Kelly, I have a bridge I would like to sell you. I also wish I had your optimism in the system.



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Last week, I had the 40th closest to consensus out of 106 rankings. http://mratings.com/cf/compare2008-10.htm




This is the CatastrophicAnnihilation.com top 25 through all of week 11

Rank LW Team Record Rating
1 1 Alabama 10-0 1351.0935
2 5 Texas Tech 10-0 1340.9235
3 2 Texas 9-1 1338.3682
4 4 Florida 8-1 1336.6234
5 6 Utah 10-0 1334.0007

6 7 Oklahoma 9-1 1328.5982
7 8 Michigan State 9-2 1311.7963
8 10 USC 8-1 1309.8019
9 3 Penn State 9-1 1309.4460
10 11 Boise State 9-0 1304.7513

11 14 Georgia 8-2 1301.4738
12 15 Missouri 8-2 1298.0524
13 16 Ohio State 8-2 1293.6661
14 13 BYU 9-1 1291.5402
15 19 North Carolina 7-2 1290.5869

16 17 Ball State 9-0 1289.5961
17 9 TCU 9-2 1284.5716
18 18 Pittsburgh 7-2 1284.5279
19 12 Oklahoma State 8-2 1281.0142
20 28 Florida State 7-2 1271.5010

21 30 Wake Forest 6-3 1270.2553
22 31 Air Force 8-2 1269.7810
23 36 South Carolina 7-3 1268.6271
24 37 Cincinnati 7-2 1265.7225
25 22 Tulsa 8-1 1265.5702

Notes:

There are 5 Big 12; 4 SEC & MWC; 3 ACC & Big Ten;
& 2 Big East in the top 25.



Click here for the full 120 team rankings.
Click here to see how this system compares to other ones.




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