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The Joe Paterno national title dream is dead. Fox executives might be jumping out the window, as the Paterno Story would have brought in viewers for the national title game. Michigan State is also a loser in this scenario, as their hope for a 3 way tie to the Rose Bowl is gone. USC/Ohio State in the Rose Bowl is now a possibility.
Is the Illinois/Michigan argument from earlier this year now over which team is worse?
It's not like they can fire Fulmer over losing to Wyoming now.
Alabama survives to prevent the full bloodbath and all the 1 loss teams from getting right back into the mix. Weird that the announcers missed how close the game came to ending on a safety to end regulation when LSU tried to return the blocked kick. Putrid QB play by LSU.


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Couldn't you have waited til after tonight's games? I had planned to start the topic this week. Had the perfect title and everything "How 'Bout Them Illini?" Thank you Illinois. Thank you for once again proving why you are one of the two most overrated, overhyped teams in the nation.

Well let the one-loss team arguments begin. Thanks Penn State! >< Anyways, to me, you have to go with how each team got their one loss. Every team has its games against big opponents, and every team has its games where things don't click and breaks don't fall their way. That was Iowa for Penn State tonight. How did Florida handle Ole Miss in the Swamp? Was USC able to get past overlooked conference foe Oregon State? Those teams failed to gut through their bad games, and they lost. Oklahoma lost to Texas in a HUGE game between two great teams. Texas lost to Texas Tech in a HUGE game between two great teams. Those two teams lost to another great team, not a middling conference opponent and not because of any mental discipline lapses. They had their gut-check bad game against good opposition, as opposed to either overlooking or showing up unprepared for the unranked conference foes. That's the sign of a good one-loss team in my book; they lost not to a bad foe because of mental or preparation issues, but they lost to a great team because the opposition was just better that night. You have to consider first Texas, then Oklahoma in my view before mentioning Florida, USC, or Penn State. Though of course, this is subject to review pending Texas Tech's game tonight and then their game against Oklahoma.

What a rewardingly hilarious year for Michigan State. They finally get their team into mediocrity; so everyone else in the Big 10 obliges by taking large steps backward.

You know Tennessee, I was planning on giving you guys a clean slate now that Fat Phil is going to be gone. Bygones, and all that. But at least when our worthless, over-the-hill, overrated coach (Lloyd Carr) left, the team stepped things up and played hard to send him out right: winning a bowl game over Florida. And you guys couldn't beat Wyoming?!?! That's a joke. Consider yourselves back on my hate shelf alongside Ohio State, USC, and Nebraska. Welcome back Vols!

The ACC. Wow. So now GTech loses and the 'Noles win, Wake continues on somehow when Virginia was looking hot, only now they are in a bad position and.....oh, wow, look at the blood flowing from my nose. What a wacky, weird year. No idea what's going to happen but hopefully Florida State comes out of there champ.




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Penn State just needs to win out to make the Rose Bowl. I think it happens. I'm so upset that half of my national title pick I put money on (TTU/PSU) is gone LIKE THAT. What a horrible way to lose the game. PSU should be ashamed of that 2nd half "performance". Give those kids some steroids or a "pass defense for dummies" book or something.

There's no question Michigan is worse than Illinois. Oh wow, Illinois lost and Michigan won, those games today really don't say anything. At least Illinois lost on the road to a MAC team. And oh yeah, Illinois destroyed Michigan. Man, Michigan is terrible.

ACC = COMPLETELY INSANE. I was wrong about GT being a great team. I don't even know if they're good any more. FSU won over Clemson, Wake destroyed Virginia. So, FSU fans got good news AND bad news out of it. Which is typical for the ACC. Maryland's still in decent shape. I have no idea about the other division, I think every team except Duke is probably tied now.

I hope Cincy beats West Virginia. They'd be in 1st place of the Big East with a decently easy schedule coming up. Louisville got completely destroyed today, so that's another team out of it.

The big news outside of the major conferences is the 3 teams thinking they deserve BCS shots. Utah probably deserves one but they hopefully lose because they'd get killed in a BCS game. Boise might stand a chance and will probably get there. Ball State who? They won't even win their division. Enjoy the International Bowl again. Maybe UConn will go easy on ya.

"Thank you Illinois. Thank you for once again proving why you are one of the two most overrated, overhyped teams in the nation. "

Clemson, Georgia, Kansas, Arizona State, and Wake Forest say hi.

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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Oh wow, Illinois lost and Michigan won, those games today really don't say anything. At least Illinois lost on the road to a MAC team. And oh yeah, Illinois destroyed Michigan. Man, Michigan is terrible.


We're supposed to be horrible. We have square pegs trying to fit into Rich Rod's round holes, which was never going to work. This year was going to be the toilet year, and everyone knew it. The media didn't pretend otherwise either. So what's the excuse with Illinois? Oh, that's right, they just are a very mediocre football with above-average hype, media slurpage, and illegal recruiting.

I'll give you Georgia. But the rest of those teams have had nowhere NEAR the media fanaticism and propping up that Illinois has received. For the record, the other overhyped and overrated team is USC. But at least they do something and it is just the media who goes way too far. There's no explaining the inexplicable Illinois love.

(edited by BoromirMark on 8.11.08 1949)


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    Originally posted by BoromirMark
      Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Oh wow, Illinois lost and Michigan won, those games today really don't say anything. At least Illinois lost on the road to a MAC team. And oh yeah, Illinois destroyed Michigan. Man, Michigan is terrible.


    We're supposed to be horrible. We have square pegs trying to fit into Rich Rod's round holes, which was never going to work. This year was going to be the toilet year, and everyone knew it. The media didn't pretend otherwise either. So what's the excuse with Illinois? Oh, that's right, they just are a very mediocre football with above-average hype, media slurpage, and illegal recruiting.

    I'll give you Georgia. But the rest of those teams have had nowhere NEAR the media fanaticism and propping up that Illinois has received.

    (edited by BoromirMark on 8.11.08 1948)


Michigan wasn't supposed to be 3-7 with a loss to 2 non-BCS teams at home, were they? They may have been predicted to be bad (no not really, all my preseason mags had them 3rd in the Big 10.. ahead of Illinois and PSU by the way) but not THIS bad, and it still doesn't mean they're not worse than Illinois. Because they are. Just this season, though. (and last season, heh)

Kansas was ranked higher than Illinois. ASU might have been too. I remember ranting about all these teams, including Illinois to be honest, being rated so high. That's why preseason rankings are crap. Alabama wasn't even ranked, were they?



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Michigan wasn't supposed to be 3-7 with a loss to 2 non-BCS teams at home, were they? They may have been predicted to be bad (no not really, all my preseason mags had them 3rd in the Big 10.. ahead of Illinois and PSU by the way) but not THIS bad, and it still doesn't mean they're not worse than Illinois. Because they are. Just this season, though. (and last season, heh)


People saw 3-7, at least here they did. I have no read on what the national thought behind Michigan was. And the problem was the defense, they were still supposed to be good...at the very least, average. They're looking like Lloyd Carr's old boys out there, it's pathetic.

Illinois was better last season? Last season, when we beat the Illini last season? You mean that season, right? 27-17 Michigan, at Illinois.

I don't mean preseason rankings, which are just total and utter garbage anyways. I mean the slurping, the media love, the "Rashard Mendenhall is the greatest thing since sliced bread!" comments, when Mike Hart outperforms him, or the "Juice Williams is unstoppable!", when a MAC defense shuts him down.

EDIT: I don't know if it was Texas Tech's or Okie State's band, but during a review one of the bands was playing the Super Mario Bros. theme. That is AWESOME. The Big 12 is now officially my second favorite conference. :p

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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    Wow, one win and let's make them #1. Seriously Kansas State, Nebraska, Texas A&M and Kansas? That's an awfully weak schedule. Kansas State is 1 - 4 (and that's in the EASY division). Texas A&M and Kansas only have conference wins because Colorado, Kansas State and Iowa State are a combined 2 - 13 in conference. And Nebraska? Well today is not a good day to be defending them. Let's let Tech have more than one good win before we make them the best team ever.

    Georgia overrated? I don't know where you get that from. They missed two field goals, other than that Florida just beat them. LSU was overrated, Georgia is a really good team that got beat by a better team.

    Arkansas over Tulsa. This is why a team outside of the major conferences will probably never win a championship. A good team outside of the major conferences isn't even as good as Arkansas? And a really good team is, well, see Georgia/Hawaii from last year.


Hoo boy, Quezzy, hoo boy...

EDIT - Also, Maryland's band plays the Legend of Zelda song, among other things. Maryland rocks.

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I haven't seen anyone saying anything about Illinois good or bad this year since the season started. They had a high preseason ranking and no one has bothered to mention them since. Maybe up there that's all you hear about but nationally not a word is said.

BTW, Mendenhall was better than Hart. About four rounds better, if you ask the NFL.
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On the 1-loss teams: I think if Florida wins out, they play for the national title. That's mainly because they would in all likelihood have knocked off an unbeaten #1 ranked Alabama on a neutral field and the track record of the BCS not having 2 teams from the same conference play for the National Title. Since only 1 out of the Texas/Oklahoma/Texas Tech troika is even going to come out of their division to play for the Big XII title, the holy hell that will be raised if the runner-up for the division title plays a rematch game will be incredible. At this point, Southern Cal looks like they would need a Florida State win over Florida coupled with a Florida win over Alabama, a Miss State or Auburn win over Alabama coupled with a won over Florida, or Missouri to win the Big XII title game. 11-1 might put a Big XII South team in 3rd place in the division and in either the Cotton or Holiday Bowl this year.
Next time the West Virginia fans leave the building while their team pulls off a dramatic comeback maybe they should remain in the parking lot as not to jinx it.
Why did Notre Dame bring back the 2007 offense?
Congratulations to Washington State for not having 60 hung on them again this week.
With 2 weeks to prepare and a lame duck coach can Tennessee muster up enough guts to prevent Vandy from getting the bowl eligible win against them, assuming Vandy loses to Kentucky next week?


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New thoughts on the one-losses: Well, it's a toss-up. But to me, it's not only about the quality of the wins but the quality of the losses. Texas to me stands out as the best of the crop. Not only have they beaten 3 top-15 teams, but their loss? It's to the undefeated #2, possibly #1 *UNDEFEATED* team in the nation. That's not a bad loss by any means, especially considering Texas Tech won that at literally the last second. Florida? They've beaten two ranked teams, but both are sub #15 and Florida's loss is to unranked Ole Miss. USC, Penn State? Both have beaten top-15 Ohio State, but have lost to unranked Iowa and Oregon State. Not good. As for Oklahoma, they have been DOMINATING in their wins but their loss is to Texas, and as such cannot be placed ahead of the Longhorns.

So Texas is atop the one-loss teams, with Florida and then a scrum behind them. Now we all await Texas Tech/Oklahoma in two weeks with bated breath.

EDIT: Maryland's band also wins the AWESOME tag. And having stated my logical one-loss team arguments, I gotta say Texas Tech has won me over. Their game versus Oklahoma by all rights should be game of the season, possibly tied with the SEC Championship.

    Originally posted by wmatistic
    BTW, Mendenhall was better than Hart. About four rounds better, if you ask the NFL.


The NFL isn't college football, though. When you're in college football you are there to get your team to win, not to pad your stats and your performance to show off for the NFL. Doing so is just selfish and detrimental to the team. And performing on the college football level, Mendenhall was NOT better than Mike Hart.

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Although I gotta think this is gonna screw over the Buckeyes when it comes to their bowl game selection, I was happy to see PSU go down. Fun closing moments to watch in that game. Can't believe UM went over Minnesota, guess anything is possible this year.

With Mendenhall gone, I hadn't heard much about the Illini at the beginning of the year except for Juice Williams.

Can't believe that Alabama hung on for that win at LSU. When the FG was blocked I thought for sure that would do them in.

Texas Tech for #1 - I am on the bandwagon. What a fantastic offense to watch!

Our high school marching band did a Super Mario Bros. cadence back in 1990. Both the original and 'desert scene' themes. God those were fun times.




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    Originally posted by BoromirMark


    The NFL isn't college football, though. When you're in college football you are there to get your team to win, not to pad your stats and your performance to show off for the NFL. Doing so is just selfish and detrimental to the team. And performing on the college football level, Mendenhall was NOT better than Mike Hart.




The NFL may not be college, but I watched both in college plenty and I agree with the NFL guys. Mendenhall was the better back. I get that you really, really don't like him cause you're a Michigan guy, but he was and is.

Texas Tech is scary right now. I'm stunned at how well they are playing. That said, with the way college football has gone for two years now, they'll lose to OU. Then Texas will win the South and get beat by Missouri in the conference title game just to really screw with us. And yes I really do believe that could all happen though I'm not betting a dime.

Seems like we're getting Big 12 vs SEC for the national title unless things do go crazy.

And while I'm happy with an FSU win, boy am I worried about that Florida game. It's one of those, is this team really getting better, or are we just setting up to be exposed by the Gators?

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I'm sad that I did not get the chance of joking with my PSU friends that IU would be the team to end their national title hopes.

ed: looks like the old oaken bucket game will be also be for 10th place in the conference.

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    Originally posted by wmtastic
    The NFL may not be college, but I watched both in college plenty and I agree with the NFL guys. Mendenhall was the better back. I get that you really, really don't like him cause you're a Michigan guy, but he was and is.


Agree to disagree. Mike Hart was a better college back and accomplished more in my book, but if you want to go on NFL creds then there's no attacking that either.

Texas Tech is on a ROLL. Like I said, I would be 100% behind them but as you said, the college football world's been crazy. Normally I'd see them heading into the National Championship game against the winner of the SEC no problem, but with the way things have gone nowadays who knows what'll actually end up happening. So, my only prediction, TT/Oklahoma is going to be THE game of 2008. Even over the BCS Championship, and possibly the SEC Championship.

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    Seems like we're getting Big 12 vs SEC for the national title unless things do go crazy.

Specifically, the SEC champion against the Big 12 South Division champion. I'm normally a complete SEC apologist, but the top 4 in that Big 12 South this year is something else.

The SEC title game is set: Alabama vs. Florida. Florida has the experience, but I think Alabama has the advantage in talent. It's definitely going to be a fun one, though, and barring a complete collapse by either team in the coming weeks, the winner goes to the national title game.

Texas Tech is so close. They just have to go into Norman in two weeks and knock the Sooners off. If they can win that game, the division is theirs and they'll have a pretty clear path to the title game. Baylor is no threat to them, and none of the contending Big 12 North teams have the defense to stop them. (The Border War will definitely be fun again - a Missouri win all but locks the North up again for them, but if Kansas wins, it throws the division into tiebreaker chaos and we just might see the Jayhawks or Nebraska sneak in to be the sacrificial lamb.)



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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Weird that the announcers missed how close the game came to ending on a safety to end regulation when LSU tried to return the blocked kick. Putrid QB play by LSU.


    (edited by redsoxnation on 8.11.08 1931)


And they forgot that LSU took a timeout after Bama ran for a first down a play before they challenged the catch.
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- Texas Tech and Texas win out
- Florida loses to Florida State
- Florida beats Alabama

It's not as impossible as people think.

"And they forgot that LSU took a timeout after Bama ran for a first down a play before they challenged the catch."

I watched the game and Danielson was going nuts over that. They didn't "forget".

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I'm not sure why everyone is hyping OU to no end again. It's like the Texas loss didn't happen because they've stomped on some nobodies. Which they do every year. Not that they can't beat Tech, I just don't know for sure that this game will come close to how awesome the Tech/Texas game was.

And even if Tech wins, no I don't agree it's a sure thing for the South to beat the North in the Big 12. Remember that Tech struggled to beat Nebraska this year(six points is a "sacrificial lamb" TexasKelly???), Missouri destroyed Tech last season(41-10), and college football is insane lately. Tech has looked great, but it's no sure thing by any means.

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    I'm not sure why everyone is hyping OU to no end again. It's like the Texas loss didn't happen because they've stomped on some nobodies. Which they do every year. Not that they can't beat Tech, I just don't know for sure that this game will come close to how awesome the Tech/Texas game was.

    And even if Tech wins, no I don't agree it's a sure thing for the South to beat the North in the Big 12. Remember that Tech struggled to beat Nebraska this year(six points is a "sacrificial lamb" TexasKelly???), Missouri destroyed Tech last season(41-10), and college football is insane lately. Tech has looked great, but it's no sure thing by any means.




Ah, you go from total 100% right to crap in no time. Look, Tech also beat Kansas State by 30 and ran Kansas off the field 62-14. Just because they "struggled" with an improving Nebraska team doesn't mean much.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      I'm not sure why everyone is hyping OU to no end again. It's like the Texas loss didn't happen because they've stomped on some nobodies. Which they do every year. Not that they can't beat Tech, I just don't know for sure that this game will come close to how awesome the Tech/Texas game was.

      And even if Tech wins, no I don't agree it's a sure thing for the South to beat the North in the Big 12. Remember that Tech struggled to beat Nebraska this year(six points is a "sacrificial lamb" TexasKelly???), Missouri destroyed Tech last season(41-10), and college football is insane lately. Tech has looked great, but it's no sure thing by any means.




    Ah, you go from total 100% right to crap in no time. Look, Tech also beat Kansas State by 30 and ran Kansas off the field 62-14. Just because they "struggled" with an improving Nebraska team doesn't mean much.


It means they aren't perfect, which was my whole point. Is there something inaccurate there? Did they still not get destroyed by Missouri last year, which basically has the same team back?
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