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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
Actually Week 11. The 9 1/2 from last week screwed me up.
Anyone who thought the State University of New Jersey would come from 25-7 down to defeat Louisville is lying or on drugs. One loss teams of the world unite: The Path To Controversy is Wide Open. Rutgers won't win in Morgantown and they aren't going to jump from 15 to 3. Can Florida survive the losses on defense? Can someone explain the pollsters love affair with Texas? Can Georgia somehow demonstrate the tiniest bit of pride against Auburn, or will I be reduced to rooting for Alabama in a few weeks? Does Arkansas deliver a calling card announcing their entry into the national title picture? Can USC put it together the next 2 weeks against Oregon and Cal, which would make a very interesting match-up of 9-1 USC vs. 10-1 Notre Dame on Thanksgiving weekend that could propel the winner of the match-up towards the top, or does Cal destroy the hopes of USC and Notre Dame in one fell swoop next weekend? And Wisconsin is stuck in a spot where they could finish in the Top 5 with only 1 loss and stuck in the Citrus Bowl.

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Ohio State and Michigan are the best two teams in the country. And since people couldn't stand the traditional bowl system, they should be playing for the title. Ya gets what ya pay for.

And, I thought NJIT (New Division 1 basketball powerhouse) was the state University of Joisey.





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I've been quiet to avoid jinxing a good thing, BUT... given the events of the evening...

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    Originally posted by redsoxnation
    Can someone explain the pollsters love affair with Texas?


Sure. Who else you got? Texas took out OU and Nebraska and have their only loss to the undisputed top team in the nation. Not to mention they are doing it without Vince Young, which gets them style points. And really is there a better team out there with one loss? You can definatly say this? I look at the rest and see everyone with flaws so why not the team who only lost to number one?

And the QB is named Colt McCoy. In Texas. I mean come on now.
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You could maybe argue Texas over some of the other teams right now, although I think Cal, USC, and Arkansas should pass them if they win out. But I don't see the argument for Texas over Florida. I find "we lost to the best team" to be a weak argument. Ok, maybe if the OSU game was close it would be a good argument. They would have come close to beating the #1 team and being undefeated and a rematch would look enticing. But it wasn't a close game. Florida's one loss was a very close game and it wasn't to some chump either it was to a team in the top 5. That's a better loss in my opinion.

On the flip side, Oklahoma and Nebraska are good wins but not as good as Florida beating LSU and Tennessee. And if Florida wins out which means beating Spurrier, FSU and Auburn or Arkansas then I don't see how anyone could have Texas ahead of them. What Texas does have going for them though is that they're the only team that I'm positive won't lose again, all of the others could somewhere along the way.

Colt McCoy is a cool name though, definitely better than Leak.

(edited by Quezzy on 9.11.06 2221)


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Rutgers thoroughly impressed the heck out of me tonight. Once that defense made some adjustments, they were smothering.

How long is it before a big-time school starts ringing Schiano's number?
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    Originally posted by Steve Politi of the Star Ledger 11/10/06
    And now, on behalf of the many people who have followed this team during those dark days and the entire college football world, we offer the following analysis of the Rutgers football game last night:

    Holy @#$&*#!!!


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A guy was interviewed yesterday on Mike & The Mad Dog (wfan/yes) and they were giving him a hard time because he had traded his 2 tickets for the Giants-Bears game for 2 tickets to last night's game. I don't care how Sunday night's game finishes - that guy got a steal. I have to admit that I have never liked Rutgers in any sport due to my allegiance to another school in NJ but that was fun to watch. Ray Rice's stock just shot up and Jets fans began to possibly see their RB of the future slip away. Rutgers won't win in Morgantown and the whole college football scene in the next few weeks is just going to be one big beautiful wreck. I just want Boise State to make it into a BCS game.



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    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
    I just want Boise State to make it into a BCS game.








They'll end up in the Top 12 which will put them in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl against the Big XII Champ, unless the Big XII Champ ends up in the National Title Game. Enough teams in front of them play head-to-head the remainder of the way to allow them to get in the Top 12 should they remain unbeaten.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.24
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by dunkndollaz
      I just want Boise State to make it into a BCS game.








    They'll end up in the Top 12 which will put them in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl against the Big XII Champ, unless the Big XII Champ ends up in the National Title Game. Enough teams in front of them play head-to-head the remainder of the way to allow them to get in the Top 12 should they remain unbeaten.


Plus they will also stay ahead of the ACC winner, so even if they don't move up two spots (which they should), winning out will likely assure them a BCS birth.
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Ladies and gentlemen, the following public service message is brought to you by your friends from D-Generation X, who would like to remind each and every one of you that if you're not down with that, we've got two words for you...

I'm calling it right now...

Rutgers will beat West Virginia and finish the season undefeated.

And the simple reason is this: Rutgers proved last night that its much-maligned, #114th-ranked passing game can win it football games. Yes, we know Ray Rice is awesome; yes, the defense was lights-out in shutting down football's #2-ranked offense; but the truth is, all of that would have been for naught if Mike Teel and the receiving corps had not been able to come up with the big play, which they did not once, but at least four times (the TD to Underwood, the long bombs that set up Rice's TDs, and the swing to Leonard on the last drive). The passing offense was neither a liability nor a caretaker for Rutgers last night - it was an essential part of their success.

So let's look at the statistics: West Virginia enters the week with the #17th-ranked rushing defense in the country. Not much of an improvement over #24th-ranked Louisville, and a lot of good that ranking did in stopping Rice. The Mountaineers are also better at stopping the pass than the Cardinals - by a measly, insignificant eight yards. And guess what, kids? West Virginia's offense is far less dynamic than Louisville's, due to their over-reliance on the run - which will play right into the hands of the Rutgers defense.

This makes West Virginia appear nothing more than the light version of Louisville that they were exposed as last week. The only advantage they can really claim in the matchup with Rutgers is home field - and while it undoubtedly helped against Maryland (which, by the way, is in position to go to the ACC championship game), it hasn't been tested against competition the level of Rutgers. Simply put: If Rutgers can do it to Louisville, why can't they do it against West Virginia too?

Catch the fever, people.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    I'm calling it right now...

    Rutgers will beat West Virginia and finish the season undefeated.

    And the simple reason is this: Rutgers proved last night that its much-maligned, #114th-ranked passing game can win it football games. Yes, we know Ray Rice is awesome; yes, the defense was lights-out in shutting down football's #2-ranked offense; but the truth is, all of that would have been for naught if Mike Teel and the receiving corps had not been able to come up with the big play, which they did not once, but at least four times (the TD to Underwood, the long bombs that set up Rice's TDs, and the swing to Leonard on the last drive). The passing offense was neither a liability nor a caretaker for Rutgers last night - it was an essential part of their success.

    So let's look at the statistics: West Virginia enters the week with the #17th-ranked rushing defense in the country. Not much of an improvement over #24th-ranked Louisville, and a lot of good that ranking did in stopping Rice. The Mountaineers are also better at stopping the pass than the Cardinals - by a measly, insignificant eight yards. And guess what, kids? West Virginia's offense is far less dynamic than Louisville's, due to their over-reliance on the run - which will play right into the hands of the Rutgers defense.

    This makes West Virginia appear nothing more than the light version of Louisville that they were exposed as last week. The only advantage they can really claim in the matchup with Rutgers is home field - and while it undoubtedly helped against Maryland (which, by the way, is in position to go to the ACC championship game), it hasn't been tested against competition the level of Rutgers. Simply put: If Rutgers can do it to Louisville, why can't they do it against West Virginia too?

    Catch the fever, people.






Home field is pretty valuable, particularly in early December. If Rutgers had fallen behind 25-7 on the road rather than at home, there would have been no logical way they would have come back. And, it is not like West Virginia won't have a great deal on the line in that game. Win, and they probably go to the Orange or Sugar Bowl as the Big East representative as they'll be ranked highest and the 3 teams in a 1 loss tie will have all lost/beaten each other, eliminating head-to-head tiebreakers. Lose, and West Virginia is likely headed to the Texas Bowl in Houston or the International Bowl in Toronto. I don't know about you, but I'd sure as hell would rather be in South Beach for New Year's than in Toronto the first week of January. Now, Louisville might be rooting for Rutgers against West Virginia, as in that instance they would be going to either the Gator or the Sun Bowl, more likely Gator. Since Rutgers would probably go to the Gator if they lost to West Virginia, Louisville would be shipped out of the country or to Houston in a 3 way tie, especially since the Meineke Bowl has already chosen Navy to take the Big East slot.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    I'm calling it right now...

    Rutgers will beat West Virginia and finish the season undefeated.

    etc etc

Okay, well, that's great. Buuuuut, what's your point? I think most people are willing to accept that Rutgers is going to go undefeated, even without such lengthy analysis. In fact, the main question people have been asking at this point ("What happens if Rutgers goes undefeated?") presupposes Rutgers beating West Virginia.

I say nothing all that exciting happens. Rutgers goes to the Citrus Bowl or wherever it is that the Big East champion goes. Florida or Texas plays Ohio State or Michigan in the BCS title game. I don't think people need to be disappointed for Rutgers if they don't get a shot at the national title. This is a team that has had like a century of misery. Can we at least give them another year for their rags-to-riches story to conclude?

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I think most people are willing to accept that Rutgers is going to go undefeated, even without such lengthy analysis.

You'd think so, but that's not the case. I post my BCS analysis on three different sites, and taking the collective opinion of those three, the overwhelming opinion is that Rutgers has no chance in hell against West Virginia. Hence all my extrapolating. (This wasn't the only board I posted that on, before you ask.)

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I don't think people need to be disappointed for Rutgers if they don't get a shot at the national title. This is a team that has had like a century of misery. Can we at least give them another year for their rags-to-riches story to conclude?

I'm in total agreement with you - I wouldn't be disappointed if Rutgers did go undefeated and were left out of the title game, given where they've come from and what their non-conference schedule was like compared to many of the 1-loss teams. I just have a problem with people insinuating that they don't even deserve to be a part of the national title conversation (which happened more at another board rather than here, but I still think is important to have stated everywhere). They do, and Thursday night was the proof.

Just to make it clear though, I don't believe an undefeated Rutgers OR the 1-loss teams are going to have a claim to the title game in the end - I think the Big Game will be so evenly matched that its loser will be getting a rematch in the title game. It's been my opinion since Michigan stampeded Notre Dame that Ohio State & Michigan are in a class by themselves this year, and I think the end of the season is likely to reflect that.



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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    I think the Big Game will be so evenly matched that its loser will be getting a rematch in the title game. It's been my opinion since Michigan stampeded Notre Dame that Ohio State & Michigan are in a class by themselves this year, and I think the end of the season is likely to reflect that.


Eh, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if the pollsters did that I guess but I don't think it should happen. Texas dropped from second to eighth when they lost to Ohio State. Florida was in the midst of the toughest schedule when they lost to an Auburn team that will probably be in the top 5 and they dropped from second to ninth. So if Michigan losses and doesn't drop at all then that's a bunch of bullshit. I don't care if they destroyed Notre Dame, Michigan hasn't done anything other than that and Notre Dame hasn't exaclty proved they're great or anything. At least Florida, Auburn and either USC or Cal will not only have wins against ranked teams but those teams they beat have also proved their ranking by beating other ranked teams. I find it hard to believe that a loss by Michigan shouldn't damage them enough for a Florida team that will be fifth in the polls and fourth in the computers or a Texas team that is 3rd in the polls and ninth in the computers won't catch up. Plus Auburn will be 4th/7th. USC is 6th/6th and still has three ranked teams to face. Cal is 8th/3rd with a USC game left. There are too many good teams from 3rd - 7th to justify not dropping the loser of the Ohio State/Michigan game.

Plus I think it's lame and don't see the fascination in it at all. The winner of the Michigan/Ohio State will have proved they are the better team and are the conference champion, what's the point of playing again? Why not see if the winner of the Big 10 can beat the winner of the SEC or Pac-10 rather than seeing if they can win the Big 10 a second time.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.24
    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      I think the Big Game will be so evenly matched that its loser will be getting a rematch in the title game. It's been my opinion since Michigan stampeded Notre Dame that Ohio State & Michigan are in a class by themselves this year, and I think the end of the season is likely to reflect that.


    Eh, I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised if the pollsters did that I guess but I don't think it should happen. Texas dropped from second to eighth when they lost to Ohio State. Florida was in the midst of the toughest schedule when they lost to an Auburn team that will probably be in the top 5 and they dropped from second to ninth. So if Michigan losses and doesn't drop at all then that's a bunch of bullshit. I don't care if they destroyed Notre Dame, Michigan hasn't done anything other than that and Notre Dame hasn't exaclty proved they're great or anything. At least Florida, Auburn and either USC or Cal will not only have wins against ranked teams but those teams they beat have also proved their ranking by beating other ranked teams. I find it hard to believe that a loss by Michigan shouldn't damage them enough for a Florida team that will be fifth in the polls and fourth in the computers or a Texas team that is 3rd in the polls and ninth in the computers won't catch up. Plus Auburn will be 4th/7th. USC is 6th/6th and still has three ranked teams to face. Cal is 8th/3rd with a USC game left. There are too many good teams from 3rd - 7th to justify not dropping the loser of the Ohio State/Michigan game.

    Plus I think it's lame and don't see the fascination in it at all. The winner of the Michigan/Ohio State will have proved they are the better team and are the conference champion, what's the point of playing again? Why not see if the winner of the Big 10 can beat the winner of the SEC or Pac-10 rather than seeing if they can win the Big 10 a second time.


Personally, I'm hoping for Michigan to lose at Indiana tomorrow and then beat Ohio State next week, just to see how it all unfolds.
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I'm all for that. Go Hoosiers! I guess it's probably too much to ask for Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Auburn, Notre Dame, California and Arkansas to all lose? Florida vs. Boise State in the Championship!



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If Rutgers goes unbeaten, then the fact that they won't have a chance to compete for the national championship in a year with only two unbeaten teams from BCS conferences is a total joke. They would have beaten two teams ranked as high as #3 (Louisville and West Virginia), and as many as five more teams that will be in bowls (Pitt, USF, Navy, Ohio, and possibly Cincinnati). The kids on that team deserve a chance to compete for a title, but they'll be denied ONLY because their uniforms say "Rutgers" on the front. Just about ANY other team from ANY other BCS conference would be a lock to be in the title game if they were 12-0.

It's ALSO a total joke that I actually listened to Brad Edwards the other morning, speculating that because voters don't want to see a rematch in the title game they might put Florida over Michigan and Texas to play Ohio State. WTF is this, figure skating? Are they better or are they not? If you're going to not put Rutgers in there because they aren't the "best team", then don't tweak your ballot avoid a rematch, vote for the best team #2.

It is utterly ridiculous that such a major sport is going to have one of the teams in the national championship game most likely decided by whose loss is the "best", and that Michigan will probably be penalized because their loss happened on 11/18 instead of 9/10, even though going to the top-ranked team's house and losing is actually about the best loss you can have.

And, so this doesn't fall into a "playoffs vs. bowls" discussion like it always seems to (and which we just had, anyway) I'd like to say the best answer this year would be to take the voters ENTIRELY out of the equation and let the computers decide who plays for the title, because people are stupid and bias and at least computers look at data objectively, taking the body of work for a season for each team and comparing them without factoring it how good we THOUGHT they would be.

EDIT: It's also worth noting that the computers (four out of six, anyway) think the #1 team is VISITING Columbus next week.

(edited by JayJayDean on 11.11.06 0815)


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No way can you go solely on the computers, statistics aren't everything, they can't take into consideration many things including rivlary games. If Florida goes and beats FSU the last week of the season then in a computer's mind it's no big deal because FSU is 5-4 but you better believe that's a really tough game. You also can't take one teams opponents' records and assume their opponents are better when the other teams' opponents might just play in a harder conference.

The polls have flaws obviously but the computers have just as many too. What's the reason for Cal being ahead of Florida in the computers? Why is Notre Dame ahead of Auburn or Texas? Why is Michigan ahead of Ohio State? Why is Wisconsin ahead of Arkansas? Plus computer programs are made by people, so if you elimnated the polls it would still be decided by people's opinions and personally I think they're just as stupid and biased.



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    Originally posted by Quezzy
    If Florida goes and beats FSU the last week of the season then in a computer's mind it's no big deal because FSU is 5-4 but you better believe that's a really tough game.


Well, you just kind of proved my point about people vs. computers. I'd rather give Florida credit for doing what they actually did, which in 2006, is beat a 6-5 or 7-4 team on the road. Granted, Florida State has three of its four (and four out of five if they lose to Wake) losses to teams ranked higher than them, but they lost to N.C. State (3-6) and have a grand total of ZERO impressive wins (yes, inclouding Miami). A person would give UF extra credit for beating "Perrenial National Power FLORIDA STATE", which they aren't really this year, they are the fifth-place team in the ACC Atlantic Division, ranked about 50th in the country by the computers.



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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      Originally posted by StingArmy
      I think most people are willing to accept that Rutgers is going to go undefeated, even without such lengthy analysis.

    You'd think so, but that's not the case. I post my BCS analysis on three different sites, and taking the collective opinion of those three, the overwhelming opinion is that Rutgers has no chance in hell against West Virginia. Hence all my extrapolating. (This wasn't the only board I posted that on, before you ask.)


I don't suppose you'd be willing to share what sites those are, would ya? I've been trying to find some good college football chat, and I've had no luck, short of wading through the trolling and name calling that are the ESPN boards.



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