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Bama dominated Florida. I really don't like Nick Saban, but I also hate the canonization of Tim Tebow (I think he's clearly a good guy and a hell of a player, but the media's infatuation still goes overboard). And anytime Urban Meyer is forced to stop being a smug asshole even for one night is OK with me. Mark Ingram and Greg McElroy were both VERY impressive - almost 500 yards of offense against the nation's top defense. The tears from Tebow are much lamer this time.

The Pitt/Cincinnati game was amazing, probably the best of the season that I saw. It's a shame it was decided by a muffed extra point - well, that and a clutch drive by Tony Pike, who looked surprisingly pedestrian for much of the afternoon. Brian Kelly's outburst at the reporters in the postgame news conference who only wanted to talk about Notre Dame was justified and good to hear. I think Kelly is an amazing coach, and I really hope he stays at Cincinnati simply for the sake of the conference.

And Oregon/Oregon State was a great game as well. Yeah, what he did against Boise State was awful, but it seems Blount has paid for it and has legitimately owned up to it. I, for one, liked seeing him come back and come up big in the biggest game of the season.

Now, I'm hoping the Huskers can stun Texas and Cincinnati can get into the title game - though I doubt they would jump TCU even in that scenario. But we'll see.

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Could have seen Bama shutting down Florida's offense. Shocked that Florida's defense could be so dominated by the Tide's offense.
USC finishes in SIXTH PLACE in the Pac-10. They'll either beat some unknown team by 80 in a garbage bowl or completely no show the game.
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I think I called USC not winning the Pac-10 early this year, of course I said their loses will be ND and Ohio St. Bama destroying Florida was amazing. I think Teabow probably played himself out of the Heisman while Ingram may have won the damn thing. McCoy looks confused as does his O-Line, so Connecticut may end up getting into the big game. I didn't see Kelly's blow-up and with ND saying they will announce their coach tomorrow, makes me believe its Billick as the new ND coach. A move I greatly despise since he is useless without Rex Ryan and as a terrible record with QBs.

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I decided to run the numbers and compare Cincinnati & TCU as closely as possible:

- Both teams had the exact same strength of schedule, with both teams' opponents finishing the regular season a combined 70-73 for a .490 winning percentage.

- Both teams have a win on the road against a team in a major conference that played for its conference championship (Clemson, beaten by TCU) or de-facto conference championship (Oregon State, beaten by Cincinnati). Oregon State failed to win, so if Clemson fails to beat Georgia Tech, that will leave these wins on even level, but if Clemson can pull out the upset, that might be a trump card for TCU.

- TCU played the tougher non-conference schedule, with the opponents in its 4 non-conference games finishing 25-22, to Cincinnati's opponents' 19-28. If you remove the game each team had against a I-AA opponent, this advantage shrinks to 18-18 vs. 17-19, but still in favor of TCU.

- Cincinnati has the advantage in wins against opponents that were ranked at the time, with 3 wins (at South Florida, West Virginia, and at Pittsburgh) vs. TCU's 2 (at Brigham Young, Utah). TCU's win over BYU and Cincinnati's win over West Virginia will both hold up (i.e., the opponent will finish the season ranked). Cincinnati's win over South Florida will not hold up. It'll be interesting to see where both Pittsburgh & Utah end up.

- Both teams have one win against a team that was not ranked at the time but might end the season ranked: Cincinnati's win against Oregon State (who entered the week ranked), and TCU's win against Clemson (who did not).

In short: Both teams are very evenly matched. However, for a human poll voter, you'd be hard-pressed to find a legitimate reason to elevate Cincinnati past TCU in the rankings. If Clemson can beat Georgia Tech in the ACC championship, I think TCU remains ahead of Cincinnati. If Georgia Tech wins, who knows?



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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Good, now compare TCU to Texas. Why do TCU and Cincy need to be compared while Texas gets a free pass if they win? Why not compare Texas to TCU and Cincy first?

EDIT - I also really dislike Clemson gets a part of the discussion like TCU beating them way back when was so impressive. Maryland beat Clemson way back then too. Clemson is a different team now.

(edited by Psycho Penguin on 5.12.09 2148)


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OK, so Texas:

Strength of schedule: Opponents finished the regular season a combined 74-70 for a .514 winning percentage. Advantage: Texas.

No win against an out-of-conference team that played for its conference's championship. Advantage: TCU & Cincinnati.

Non-conference schedule: Opponents in its 4 non-conference games finished 24-24. No games against I-AA opponents. Advantage: Push for Texas against TCU, advantage Texas against Cincinnati.

Wins against ranked opponents: 2 wins (vs. Oklahoma, at Oklahoma State). Oklahoma win does not hold up, Oklahoma State win does. Advantage: Pending polls.

Wins against unranked opponents that will end up ranked: In all likelihood, none. Advantage: Pending polls.

We'll see how things turn out. From where I read it, Texas is probably ahead of Cincinnati, but possibly pushing or behind TCU depending on how things play out in the polls. The lack of a I-AA opponent though is a big trump card for them.



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Cincinnati played Oregon State OOC. You can call the Oregon State/DIAA opponent double whammy a wash compared to Texas playing 4 horrible teams (ULM, at Wyoming, UTEP, and UCF)

I'd say Cincinnati winning at Oregon State, at Pittsburgh, and vs. West Virginia and South Florida pre-slide is better than or comparable to Texas beating Oklahoma, at Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and.. at Missouri?



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Wow. Texas wins on a clutch field goal as time expires. Sucks for TCU and Cincy, but Nebraska's defense just blew it at the end. The ref was right that there was one second left on the game clock.

There were a ton of great games today. The ACC championship game has been great, with 1:20 to go as I type this. The earlier mentioned games were all good. The Conference USA title game came down to the final minute.

And even the other games played today were really good. USC/Arizona was pretty good. USF/UConn was a great game for the six people who watched it, though the ending sucked (from my perspective, anyway). West Virginia/Rutgers was a fun game. The Big East had three games today decided by six points total.

EDIT: And Georgia Tech makes a fourth down stop for the win. Another great finish.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 5.12.09 2336)
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Don't forget Fresno State/Illinois.

Damn, that ending sucked. Texas is not the 2nd most deserving team in the country. Alabama's defense is almost as good as Nebraska's and their offense is way better. That title game, as of right now, looks really bad on paper.

Florida/TCU and Georgia Tech/Cincinnati look like way more entertaining games.

Georgia Tech just won 39-34 as I type this. Hell of a game.

Fail to Nebraska's kicker for kicking the ball out of bounds, and Colt McCoy for casually tossing the ball away with 1 second left like it's 2nd quarter.



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I don't care if your kicker has made 1,000 straight field goals, why on Earth are you playing for a 45 yard field goal when there is still a minute left and you have a time-out? 25 sure, 35 maybe, but 45 is really rolling the dice. When that kick started out, I thought he shanked it and Chaos would finally reign supreme. And how I would have loved if that ball had just fluttered for another half second on the last throw by Colt. Can you imagine the uproar in Austin had time actually run out and Texas had a time-out in their pocket and never got off the kick?
Can't blame the Nebraska defense at the end. Kickoff penalty to the 40 killed them, and the horse collar moved the ball down to around the 25. The defense actually came very close to making it a 50 yard field goal for Texas. And if Nebraska's offense was at least comatose prior to their final drive, the defense might not have needed to make a final stop.

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Not that it'll happen, but Texas deserves to be jumped after that performance. (BY TCU.) As an Auburn fan, I don't like Alabama, but it'll be good to watch them give an undeserving opponent a good paddlin'.

It'll be interesting to see what we get for the three non-locked bowls. Indications are we get GT/TCU, Iowa/Boise and UF/Cincy, but GT/Cincy, TCU/Iowa and UF/Boise would make more sense.

What the BCS SHOULD BE, if common sense dominated the proceedings:

BCS National Championship: Alabama vs. TCU
Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Ohio State
Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
Fiesta Bowl: Texas vs. Iowa
Sugar Bowl: Florida vs. Boise State

(edited by Texas Kelly on 5.12.09 2358)


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    Originally posted by redsoxnation

    Only a Ron Zook team could lose on a 2 point conversion on a pass that an offensive lineman catches on a deflection and scores.


It was the only good defensive play of the game.



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    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
    Not that it'll happen, but Texas deserves to be jumped after that performance. (BY TCU.) As an Auburn fan, I don't like Alabama, but it'll be good to watch them give an undeserving opponent a good paddlin'.

    It'll be interesting to see what we get for the three non-locked bowls. Indications are we get GT/TCU, Iowa/Boise and UF/Cincy, but GT/Cincy, TCU/Iowa and UF/Boise would make more sense.

    What the BCS SHOULD BE, if common sense dominated the proceedings:

    BCS National Championship: Alabama vs. TCU
    Rose Bowl: Oregon vs. Ohio State
    Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
    Fiesta Bowl: Texas vs. Iowa
    Sugar Bowl: Florida vs. Boise State

    (edited by Texas Kelly on 5.12.09 2358)


Florida vs Boise and Texas vs Iowa? Really? Wouldn't it make more sense to have the two known schools play each other and the two underdogs play each other?

I'd go with Alabama/Cincinnati, Oregon/Ohio State, Iowa/GT, Boise/Texas, and Florida/TCU

I see happening: Alabama/Texas, Oregon/Ohio State, GT/Cincy, Boise/Iowa (hmmm I don't know actually), and TCU/Florida.. fuck it. Boise/TCU and Iowa/Florida seem more likely.



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At this point, Texas deserves to be jumped, but the BCS will not allow it. Alabama against any of those other teams is a rating disaster. Cincy is also in the same spot as Texas since they also needed a muffed extra point to stop going into overtime. An overtime which would have probably taken them out of contention even if they won. I am going with Boise St since they actually beat a conference champ. I am not sure why TCU deserves this spot other then being the new shiny toy in this entire debate. The bowl selection tomorrow is going to be damn interesting, but I don't see anything other then Texas/Alabama for the Big Boy College Title.
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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Boise/TCU and Iowa/Florida seem more likely.

There's three major reasons you cannot have Boise vs. TCU:

1. The point of the rule that put a non-BCS conference auto-bid in was to ensure that non-BCS teams got a chance to prove themselves against the big boys. How can they do that if they're stuck playing each other?

2. Never mind that the bowl hosting both mid-majors takes a massive financial hit from the lack of tickets sold and depressed TV ratings from the lack of a major conference team. (This is half-sarcasm, but it's true. I can't see a BCS bowl ever accepting two non-BCS teams.)

3. Boise & TCU PLAYED EACH OTHER LAST YEAR, in the Poinsettia. (Not that Boise should have been there, but that's a WHOLE different debate.)



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I agree with your first 2 points but if anything they can use #3 as a ratings grabber - look, you can watch two undefeated teams play each other and they played each other last year in a really good game! There's no rule against bowl rematches and it does happen on occasion.


    I am going with Boise St since they actually beat a conference champ. I am not sure why TCU deserves this spot other then being the new shiny toy in this entire debate.


Really, Boise State over Texas because Boise beat a conference champ is a pretty ridiculous argument. They beat that conference champ in week 1. Stanford also beat that conference champ when that conference champ was actually playing good football. Boise played a 2-loss conference champ in week 1, then no one good the rest of the way. Texas at least played average teams sometimes.



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Two dumb questions....

1. Since Alabama and Texas will be in the title game and thus won't be at the Sugar or Fiesta as their conferences' champs, which of those bowls gets first pick of the at-large teams? Or are they obligated to have the runner-ups (Florida and, uh, whomever finished second in the Big 12 horror show) play?

2. Did Boise State actually get a big help by Nebraska losing? If Nebraska wins, they're the Big 12 champs and get an automatic invite to the Fiesta Bowl. If they're in, Boise State is likely the team that gets pushed out of the BCS picture.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Two dumb questions....

    1. Since Alabama and Texas will be in the title game and thus won't be at the Sugar or Fiesta as their conferences' champs, which of those bowls gets first pick of the at-large teams? Or are they obligated to have the runner-ups (Florida and, uh, whomever finished second in the Big 12 horror show) play?

    2. Did Boise State actually get a big help by Nebraska losing? If Nebraska wins, they're the Big 12 champs and get an automatic invite to the Fiesta Bowl. If they're in, Boise State is likely the team that gets pushed out of the BCS picture.


1. No. They get to pick whoever they want since they don't have any affilations. The Sugar will likely take the SEC runner up, but the Fiesta sure won't take Oklahoma Tech.

2. Yes, Boise got helped by Nebraska losing.



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My predictions....

The Rose Bowl is set, Oregon vs. Ohio State. The title game is almost certainly going to be Alabama vs. Texas

Sugar Bowl: Florida vs. TCU

Orange Bowl: Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati

Fiesta Bowl: Boise State vs. Iowa or Penn State....I'm kind of on the fence about this one since the Fiesta would sell more tickets if it was BSU vs. Iowa, but would get better TV ratings if it was a big-name school like Penn State involved. Especially if people won't tune in to see Boise State.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Two dumb questions....

      1. Since Alabama and Texas will be in the title game and thus won't be at the Sugar or Fiesta as their conferences' champs, which of those bowls gets first pick of the at-large teams? Or are they obligated to have the runner-ups (Florida and, uh, whomever finished second in the Big 12 horror show) play?


    1. No. They get to pick whoever they want since they don't have any affilations. The Sugar will likely take the SEC runner up, but the Fiesta sure won't take Oklahoma Tech.




They can't pick "whoever they want." They must select from the pool of Automatic Qualifiers and At-large teams. They can NOT pick the host team of a BCS bowl, nor can they take a team from the Title game (no brainer there). Meaning they can't take Oregon nor Ohio State from the Rose, nor Georgia Tech from the Orange.

They can pick Cincinnati because the Big East champ isn't a host, the better ranked team between TCU or Boise State, and the 3 next highest BCS ranked teams not a conf champ which will most likely be Florida, Boise State or TCU and probably Iowa.

Sugar gets to pick first as they lost the #1 team, Fiesta goes second. BCS rules say that the Sugar can't take a Big 12 team unless the Fiesta signs off on it.

Then, the Orange picks who plays GT, Fiesta picks who will play their replacement pick, then Sugar picks who will play their replacement pick.

All from: http://www.bcsfootball.org/​bcsfb/​eligibility

My predictions:

Title game: Alabama vs Texas
Rose is set: Oregon vs Ohio State
Sugar: Florida vs Boise State
Fiesta: TCU vs Cincinnati
Orange: Georgia Tech vs Iowa

(edited by Zeruel on 6.12.09 0218)


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