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Seeing Urban Meyer going from Utah to Florida this week even though he was under contract(even though he had an out clause to go to ND, didn't know he had one for Florida though. maybe not the best example)reminds me of a problem I have with college sports... I am so tired of these coaches who sign a long term contract with mid-major schools and then skipping out in the middle of it to a bigger sexy school.

I been seeing a lot of this happening & it bothers me that these smaller schools giving a lot of these young coaches a nice contract & watching them skip town the second they take the school to a Top 25... I understand money talks, and every coach wants to work a prestigious school. But can't they wait until their contract expires. Kind of hypocritical to tell their students to stick with the program for the duration 4 years yet they are willing to skip town at a drop of a hat.



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But it could also be argued that a superstar player at a mid-major school is mostly likely going to a)transfer to a national title contending team or b) leave early for the NFL draft.

The lack of patience with coaches at major schools is going to bite somebody in the ass soon. You could argue that ND should have been more patient with Ty, and look at the situation now. I think there's going to be a day when the mid-major coach is going to fall flat on his face (I'm secretly hoping it's Urban for some reason), and the cycle will slow down. There's always going to be coaches moving up in the world, however.
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It could also further be argued that it's a mid-major coach's chance to strike while the iron is hot. Urban Meyer knew he was the hot commodity this year. Does he risk losing a core of his Top 10 program from this year to stick out his contract and wallow back into obscurity, at which point he can be fired by Utah 6 months before his contract ends? Or does he jump at the chance to run his type of program at the national level?

I'd wager that Meyer wasn't all that well-known before this season, and with one undefeated season, he became college football's "it" coach. Sure, he gets paid more to run to Florida, but he gets his game plan executed by Zook's/Spurrier's recruits on a national level week in and week out. He can match up against consistent national powerhouses in the SEC (ACC, or whomever else they'd face in nonconference play) and test himself. Because really, isn't this just a matter of ego? Not to be derisive, but who wouldn't jump at the chance to see how good he really is with a larger sample of top high school prospects at his disposal? If Meyer waits til his contract expires, he risks losing his name appeal and maybe his chance to jump ship or renegotiate for more money. At least by leaving early, he knows that he's got at least one honeymoon season at Florida before the boosters start to grumble (theoretically).

With the focus of college football leaning so heavily on winning the national championship now, or chanting the "What have you done for me lately?" mantra - not three years down the road, not repeating "We're only one year away" every year for 6-7 years - I think we've seen the last of coaches who spend multiple decades at one school. Whether they go mid-major to major, major to mid-major, or between college and pro, whomever gets his name in the spotlight as a possible saviour for a former dynasty down on its luck is going to quickly become a very wealthy man, expired contract or no.

    Originally posted by Roy.
    "... when the mid-major coach is going to fall flat on his face (I'm secretly hoping it's Urban for some reason),..."


Is that because there was some rumor (that I may have imagined) of trading the alleged quarterbacks' coach to Utah (complete with hefty anonymous alumni donations) for Urban, in order to groom Urban for Head Coach in '06, because Ferentz got reupped at Iowa? :P

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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    Seeing Urban Meyer going from Utah to Florida this week even though he was under contract(even though he had an out clause to go to ND, didn't know he had one for Florida though. maybe not the best example)reminds me of a problem I have with college sports... I am so tired of these coaches who sign a long term contract with mid-major schools and then skipping out in the middle of it to a bigger sexy school.

    I been seeing a lot of this happening & it bothers me that these smaller schools giving a lot of these young coaches a nice contract & watching them skip town the second they take the school to a Top 25... I understand money talks, and every coach wants to work a prestigious school. But can't they wait until their contract expires. Kind of hypocritical to tell their students to stick with the program for the duration 4 years yet they are willing to skip town at a drop of a hat.







And Meyer jumped from Bowling Green to Utah while still under contract. A mid-major can keep the coaches from jumping by denying them permission to speak with other schools. The ND/Ohio State/Michigan clause Meyer had meant he could jump without a buyout. Since he went to Florida, Utah will be paid a specific amount allowing him out, supposedly $250,000. And, if all contracts are sacrosanct, then that would also mean any assistant coach on a long term contract shouldn't be able to move up to being a head coach as well, as they agreed to be an assistant for the specified time period.



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    Originally posted by Roy.
    The lack of patience with coaches at major schools is going to bite somebody in the ass soon.


You could say that's the downside for the mid-major coaches taking the opportunities with the big programs. If you don't succeed at Notre Dame or Florida or any number of other marquee schools you could find yourself fired by the AD not even halfway through a contract. Then leaving a job at the lower tier school that could have lasted 5-10 years or more doesn't look so great in hindsight.

As for the players, they have to know this is a possibility anywhere they go, except perhaps Penn State where Paterno may coach until the second coming. It may not be fair when it happens, but the genie's out of the bottle.





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Actually, what irks me are coaches that jump ship before the bowl game. Because you wind up with two uncomfortable scenarios:

1. Head Coach leaves, assistant coaches his first game in a bowl game on national television.

2. Coach takes job, stays on for bowl, running two programs(say Utah and Florida) simultaneosly.





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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
    Originally posted by Roy.
    But it could also be argued that a superstar player at a mid-major school is mostly likely going to a)transfer to a national title contending team or b) leave early for the NFL draft.



The reason you don't see this more often is money. You would have to be a superstar your freshman year to attempt this due to two things. One is you have to sit out one year to regain your eligibility (personaly if your coach leaves I feel you should be allowed to change with no penalty, when I was choosing my school it came down to engineering program and coaches in that order, coaches are a huge factor in choosing a school). The second factor is unless you are a 1st round pick you don't get the big NFL contract until your 3rd year.

So say you are a super soph on a mid-major team. You can stay at you school one more year. Go NFL. Get a good contract. And if you produce have the chance to cash in 3 years later. Thats 4 years to the big money.

Now the same soph decides to transfer to a big time program. You sit out one year. You have to compete with other superstars for playing time. If you don't put up the same numbers you become a huge question mark at the next level. Those numbers are harder to come by in the big conferance schedule. Then you still have to wait 3 years for the big NFL contract. Your looking at 5 years to the big money. 1 year less of NFL contract due to your age. Thats alot of money to leave on the table.
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I don't begrudge these coaches at all. Maybe they should be more loyal to their players; then again, it's not like good players are loyal to their programs. And after what happend with Willingham and Cutcliffe at Ole Miss, it's clearly an environment where the coaches do not have a ton of job security.
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I do think the media has a lot to do with building these star coaches. They have a great season maybe go undefeated or lose one game and their the next Knute Rockne. I am not entirely sold on Urban Meyer even though ND and Florida are. I do think there is a large gap between coaching at Utah and coaching Florida. I also think it hurts him, because at least one member of his staff is staying to head coach instead of going to Florida which is one of the reasons, besides the obvious money and attention, he wanted to go there.

I do agree there is no loyalty in any program whether it be players or coachs. I think letting kids in the draft early has hurt some programs, but I don't think it killed the game like most people were staying. College football to fans is being loyal to that school, the players come and go, but the school remains. In the NFL, you can be a fan of your home team, but still like certain players, I'm Steelers guy, but damn I wish I had Farve three years ago or Marino when he was in the draft, but no, he had to have a coke problem, damnit. Either way, I think college football's loyalty is like all sports, its how many games you win.




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