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|  #1 Posted on 14.5.06 1954.23 | Instant Rating: 6.62 | CMLL GDR Workrate Report
PAS: We get a move to Arena Mexico for Dia de los Ninos and boy can you tell the difference between Coliseo and the cathedral
TKG: Ah the annual Dia de los Ninos show. Something really communist about that whole idea. I mean Mothers Day, Fathers Day those are good Capitalist Hallmark holidays. Day to celebrate the Welfare of the Child...can't get more Marxist than that.... Its also the big anniversary of the Arena if that helps wash the taste of Das Capital out of your mouth while viewing this.
What Worked
PAS: Super Porky, Virus and Blue Panther are about all you can ask for in a tecnico trio (except to ask that they play rudos) and Arena Mexico Guerreros is inspired Guerreros, so this match was really great. We got some nice exchanges to start, and the first fall has Virus with a great standing guillotine neckbreaker for a finish. Second fall is short with the rudos hitting all of their triple teams, including throwing Virus in the air (like the Spirit Squad finish) at the same time Olimpico hit a springboard splash. Third fall had a great looking dive train especially Porky's rolling somersault off the ring apron, which must have been like getting hit with sleeper sofa. Olimpico has looked like crap since adding 75 pounds of muscle, but he looked really great here. Could of gone longer, but this was a really great WCWSN lucha trios match
TKG: Porky was flying around for most of this. What Phil is describing as a "standing guillotine neckbreaker"was even cooler than that as it was almost an upside down inverted air raid crash. Virus has Olimpico in both a hammerlock and a guillotine and then just drops down. All the Olimpico v Virus sections were great and pretty much this was good from start to finish. this was all about great technicos in front of a Children's day crowd.
PAS: Main event was mostly an angle, with L.A. Park turning rudo. There was some fun stuff, especially between Negro Casas and Perrito, and it was definitely spirited. Still more of an angle then a match. Also Damien and Aguila as the fake Mexico's Most Wanted really stink. This is the worst I can remember Damien ever looking, and if Aguila ain't going to do a crazy dive he is useless
TKG: The backstage interviews today were all with La Parka...about how when gimmick was originally created he was supposed to be a rudo but the crowd turned him technico, about how he has rivalries that exist outside of the world of technico/rudo division(his rivalry with Doc Wagner) and how if crowd treats him as technico or rudo it doesn't matter when he's about proffesionalism and the big pay days...etc. So nice set up for the turn. And the turn itself was pretty fucking awesome as he is a technico and has the rest of the technicos backs but doesn't care about Mistico and actively dislikes him. Slowly the Casas' get sick of this too as you need to be part of the whole technico team. When the crowd gives Parka shit for all this, Parka full on mugs and doesn all his comedy shtick to elicit more boos. Most of that storytelling takes place in second and third falls. First fall is wrestling based and Parka really uninvolved and fun first fall. I'd argue with Phil about this being worst that I've seen Damian as he looked absolutely great in first fall. He was just working at double speed hitting everything well and eating everything big. The problem came really during second and third falls where he was about double teams with Aguila. As all their attempts to do double team stuff looked ass like they were going in slow motion to get timing half right. First fall was really great. Second and third falls were more angle than match and the actual wrestling parts of the last two angle based falls was off. | Promote this thread! |           | thecubsfan
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| #2 Posted on 15.5.06 1327.55 | Instant Rating: 10.00 |
And the turn itself was pretty fucking awesome as he is a technico and has the rest of the technicos backs but doesn't care about Mistico and actively dislikes him.
The part when Park goes to leave the ring, and 'accidently' punches Mistico square in the nose was great.
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| #3 Posted on 15.5.06 1516.10 | Instant Rating: 0.97 | Originally posted by thecubsfan
And the turn itself was pretty fucking awesome as he is a technico and has the rest of the technicos backs but doesn't care about Mistico and actively dislikes him.
The part when Park goes to leave the ring, and 'accidently' punches Mistico square in the nose was great.
Damnit, I wanna see this.
Strange as this may sound, I've never been able to get into watching spanish wrestling. I know... "How blasphemous!", but I just can't get into it with having some spanish guy talking over the match when I haven't a clue as to what he's saying. My spanish language knowledge begins with 'Yo Quiero Taco bell!' and ends with 'Si! Mi El Wanto Nachos Bellgrande!'.
The strangeness of this is that I love watchinf futbol, yet I only understand 'GOAL!!! GOAL!!!', but I at least am able to follow what's happening. With wrestling, I might know who some of the people are (Thank You WCW!) but when they do the backstage stuff, I'm totally lost.
Not to sound like an idiot, what are technicos and rudo? | Sec19Row53
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| #4 Posted on 15.5.06 1532.12 | Instant Rating: 7.07 | Originally posted by Cerebus
Not to sound like an idiot, what are technicos and rudo?
The only thing I know about Lucha - technicos are the "good guys" while "rudos" are the "bad guys". | thecubsfan
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| #5 Posted on 15.5.06 1538.23 | Instant Rating: 10.00 | techincos/tecnicos = good guys
rudos = bad guys
With wrestling, I might know who some of the people are (Thank You WCW!) but when they do the backstage stuff, I'm totally lost.
In CMLL (though not as much with AAA), 75% of the skits/vignettes work off this template
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Wrestler A/Interviewer: How are we/you going to beat the people in the next match?
Wrestler B: We will beat them because we are better!
Wrestler A: Hmm, I agree.
(if Guerrero sketch)
Rey Bucanero: Will someone buy me lunch?
Wrestler A: No, you eat too much.
Rey Bucanero: [sad face]
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And there's 20% where the point is just to be comedically wacky, and that usually translates enough even if you have no idea what they're saying.
Even the 5% where they actually try to get an angle over with a bit really isn't that important to understand. The crowd watching these matches aren't seeing the backstage stuff at all - it's all stuff taped earlier the day and only shown when the event is edited for TV - so if they're running any sort of angle, the wrestlers know they have to try and get it over in the match while making it completely obvious what's going on, so even the guy sitting way up in the balcony gets it.
You do miss out on hearing what points the announcers are trying to get over (if they're trying to get over anything), and the post match promos can be confusing, but since most matches need little explaination ("these are the good guys, these are the bad guys, they're going to fight now"), you don't need to actually understand the narration.
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| #6 Posted on 21.5.06 1658.50 | Instant Rating: 6.40 | Originally posted by thecubsfan
And there's 20% where the point is just to be comedically wacky, and that usually translates enough even if you have no idea what they're saying.
And most of them hopefully involve Midget Blue Monkey.
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