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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.96
I still have fond memories of Punk's first TNA run. I thought it was really cool to see Punk go from Raven's lackey, desperate for his idol's approval, to the WWE, where he would grow to be a cult leader himself when he formed the SES.

On the surface, TNA seems out of the question, just because (as has been mentioned by others) the promotion's a total joke. But when you think about how much they love their WWE retreads (Kennedy, RVD, Matt Hardy), maybe it isn't such a bad career move for now. And contrary to what others think, it's not like going to TNA gets you blacklisted from the E, otherwise we wouldn't be seeing Christian or Booker right now.

If one of Punk's grievances is prominence, then I think he should negotiate for a Wrestlemania match with Steve Austin as part of a new deal. It's not like Austin's opposed to coming back for a one-time-only deal. And that program would be pretty damn prominent.

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Some kind of time off plan seems like something the WWE is going to have to figure out if they want to keep all their talent. A lot of the top guys seemed to have learned from past generations to be smart with your money or else dropping dead in your 30s or working in high school gyms in your 50s is a strong possibility.

Obviously these guys enjoy what they do, but some time to have a life of their own would only seem to benefit everybody. Guys get time off and the WWE gets any Dancing With the Stars type of press while keeping their guys off of other wrestling shows.

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The reality is that Raw and Smackdown could use a two a month break from being on air, but that won't happen. The show could really use a season finale and a season premiere just to build hype plus it will allow the guys to have at least a few weeks if not more off. They could use this time to re-evaluate talent and perhaps hire new writers each season. Yet, this is Vince McMahon who doesn't believe people get sick and has impressively been running this type of schedule into his early 60s.

I still think if Punk is leaving which is a giant IF to me that he won't be missed by the casual fan. I do agree HHH being the boss has to do with certain people leaving, I just don't see that being the case for Punk. Maybe Taker's politics, but HHH seems at times to know when they have a good thing and Punk is a very good if not the best heel they have at the moment. My great fear is that if Punk leaves, HHH will insert himself on Raw then bury the roster or he may just do that on Smackdown considering they have no main event heels minus Sheamus. I say they write Punk off this Sunday and he comes back in two months to help Smackdown then gets a SummerSlam match against Austin.

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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The reality is that Raw and Smackdown could use a two a month break from being on air, but that won't happen. The show could really use a season finale and a season premiere just to build hype plus it will allow the guys to have at least a few weeks if not more off. >


Doesn't make much sense. What would you be building to?
Wrestlemania? There's always another interesting story to tell, no matter what part of the year.
Plus the wrestling business is the type where out of sight is out of mind, so going off-screen is not a good idea.
Due to the format of the shows and the hybrid of wrestling and random entertainment it's hard to plug.
It's not like you can run commercials going "Last year John Cena lost his job, his keys and his pride..what will happen to him this season?"
OR "The Miz won the coveted WWE championship in the 10/11 season. Will he hang on?"
It wouldn't work if they weren't on tv but have to hype us again for the upcoming season.

    Originally posted by lotjx

    They could use this time to re-evaluate talent and perhaps hire new writers each season.


I see what you say here, and I understand...
But that's the amusing thing. They do re-evaluate talent (and then release them, or not) so why couldn't they do it properly -during- the year.

This is nothing new, but rotating some guys would help them a lot. Not even off tv, but making them less relevant for a few weeks and thus allowing them to skip a (house) show every once in a while. And during that "off" time, the writers develop a new story for you that starts when it's your time to shine again.

It will never happen, mostly because of how contracts and all work I guess. But it'd help the wrestlers AND the product.

    Originally posted by lotjx

    Maybe Taker's politics,


Did I miss something. Is Undertaker anti-Punk?

    Originally posted by lotjx

    but HHH seems at times to know when they have a good thing and Punk is a very good if not the best heel they have at the moment.


Well in that case HHH would have matured a lot.
I'm sure he knew back in his dominant days that having guys like Jericho was good for the product. Yet still he didn't seem to keep that in mind when he pedigreed him every week.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
    Originally posted by dMp
      Originally posted by lotjx
      The reality is that Raw and Smackdown could use a two a month break from being on air, but that won't happen. The show could really use a season finale and a season premiere just to build hype plus it will allow the guys to have at least a few weeks if not more off. >


    Doesn't make much sense. What would you be building to?
    Wrestlemania? There's always another interesting story to tell, no matter what part of the year.
    Plus the wrestling business is the type where out of sight is out of mind, so going off-screen is not a good idea.
    Due to the format of the shows and the hybrid of wrestling and random entertainment it's hard to plug.
    It's not like you can run commercials going "Last year John Cena lost his job, his keys and his pride..what will happen to him this season?"
    OR "The Miz won the coveted WWE championship in the 10/11 season. Will he hang on?"
    It wouldn't work if they weren't on tv but have to hype us again for the upcoming season.

      Originally posted by lotjx

      They could use this time to re-evaluate talent and perhaps hire new writers each season.


    I see what you say here, and I understand...
    But that's the amusing thing. They do re-evaluate talent (and then release them, or not) so why couldn't they do it properly -during- the year.

    This is nothing new, but rotating some guys would help them a lot. Not even off tv, but making them less relevant for a few weeks and thus allowing them to skip a (house) show every once in a while. And during that "off" time, the writers develop a new story for you that starts when it's your time to shine again.

    It will never happen, mostly because of how contracts and all work I guess. But it'd help the wrestlers AND the product.

      Originally posted by lotjx

      Maybe Taker's politics,


    Did I miss something. Is Undertaker anti-Punk?

      Originally posted by lotjx

      but HHH seems at times to know when they have a good thing and Punk is a very good if not the best heel they have at the moment.


    Well in that case HHH would have matured a lot.
    I'm sure he knew back in his dominant days that having guys like Jericho was good for the product. Yet still he didn't seem to keep that in mind when he pedigreed him every week.



    (edited by dMp on 27.4.11 1517)


You would have one Raw after Mania and then come back in June maybe the first or second week. The Post-Mania period no cares after that Raw anyway. Most of the good writing is done prior to Mania afterwards is just throwing shit together til they get to two months before SummerSlam. Run Tough Enough during that time if you keep getting A list trainers or at least Austin. You start June with the statement everyone is open to get. You do a three hour draft special and get your shows in place for SummerSlam. Everything else is kept the same.

It wouldn't be that hard to keep the hype up for two lousy months when they are building Rock/Cena for a year. Shit, Rock and Cena shaking hands right there would be a great season finale. The less people get of something, the more they want it. We get about 200 plus hours of WWE programing on TV and their website while most shows with bigger numbers get 23 or 24 hours if they are lucky. There is too much wasted time the WWE has that it can lose 40 hours of TV time and be ok. It will generate more buzz with the time off. The hype manufactures itself.

Taker said that Punk didn't dress like a champion and lost the belt a few weeks later. HHH has to mature, because he is being groomed to be the day to day runner of the company. What was good back in 1999-2006 for him is not good for the company even back then at times. He has to realize this if not, no one will want to work for a guy who is running the company as well as being champion and burying his employees. Wrestlers will still go to the WWE since its really the only place to make money, but it will be a job not a passion. They will follow the rules and conform to the style just to cash the paychecks for five years then retire with enough left to feed their families for 20 years.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.19
I think Chicken Little predictions of HHH booking the copany around him if/when he takes over are pretty unfounded given that the guy took a year off and doesn't seem in any hurry to get back in the ring fulltime. He's not been SuperSquashMan HHH in like five years.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.57
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Shawn and Edge retire which WWE had no say in, but Shawn is probably physically able to keep going even now and they couldn't stop him from hanging it up.


All of the interviews I read with Shawn seemed to indicate that it was the WWE who pushed him to retire, just like they did with Flair.


    Matt Hardy, Low Ki, MVP all just decided, fuck it, I'd rather just not be here. This is probably best for all the people involved, granted, but even as recently as five years ago I never would have imagined this many people turning down Vince's money without having their hand forced through injury.


Matt Hardy is potentially certifiably insane, Kaval is a primadonna who thinks the entire industry should be billed around him and I began to realize that MVP has a very skewed view of the world when he was talking about how much better being in Japan during the earthquakes was than being in the WWE.

I can't believe that the thread has gone on this long without anyone pointing out the obvious fact that one of the biggest benefits to leaving the WWE is how much less strain is put on your body, even if you're working elsewhere. Who cares how much money you have if you're too crippled to enjoy it?

The Rock spending little time in the WWE has nothing to do with politics. It's because his other job is much less physically taxing. The reason Austin could go another 2 years "if he had to" is because he's had several years to heal up. The simple fact is, pretty much everyone in the WWE would be much better off, in the long run, if they left.


    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    I think Chicken Little predictions of HHH booking the copany around him if/when he takes over are pretty unfounded given that the guy took a year off and doesn't seem in any hurry to get back in the ring fulltime. He's not been SuperSquashMan HHH in like five years.


If anything, I look forward to HHH being in charge because I think we'll see a return to wrestling. HHH got into the business because he loves wrestling, not to rub it in his father's face or to make a billion dollars. I believe that the day Vince dies is the day that the company returns to its roots.

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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
Should this go in this thread? Or the Draft thread?

    Originally posted by Lordsofpain.net (who grabbed this from PWInsider.com)
    As we reported this week, RAW superstar CM Punk is said to be unhappy in WWE and is considering leaving the company when his contract expires later this year. Punk is burned out from five years on the road and is not happy with other stars such as The Miz and Alberto Del Rio getting pushed over him.

    WWE wants to keep Punk on the roster and have offered him a new longterm deal, which he's yet to sign. It's interesting to note that CM Punk's real-life girlfriend Beth Phoenix was traded to the RAW brand during Tuesday's Supplemental Draft - which could be seen as a move to make life better for Punk on the road.

    Punk's possible departure from WWE later this year has been one of the main topics of discussion behind the scenes this week. Punk has been dating Beth Phoenix for the past several months and the two are reportedly a serious couple.




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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.31
Punk is good at using the internet for leverage. And also not keeping quiet when things annoy him.


    is considering leaving the company when his contract expires later this year


Meltzer said Punk has "many months" left on his contract. If he's leaving, he's not leaving any time soon, and he's got time to change his mind.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.54
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    The article quotes a WWE source who says Punk isn't getting prominent spots lately. I disagree. He dominated SmackDown with his SES. He worked a commentator spot when he got hurt. He took over the Nexus. He's the top heel on RAW behind Miz. If he goes to SmackDown, he becomes the top heel automatically. He was just in the RAW main event last night, on the winning team no less.




Agreed. In my mind, CM Punk is not just one of the most versatile wrestlers, but one of the most versatile entertainers. CM Punk doesn't necessarily need a title to keep himself relevant as he remains a top fixture not just as a heel but as one of the top WWE stars.

I think both Punk (and Smackdown) would benefit if Punk went over to Smackdown. CM Punk is argubaly the best heel in the company and with the saturation of ADR to go along with The Miz, CM Punk wouldn't get lost in the shuffle but it would make it more challenging to more of his shots in. With Smackdown, he would the show's top star (again). Then again, the "secondary show" needed a top level face with Edge being forced to retire and Orton was the best choice.

Hopefully if Punk leaves, it won't be that long as WWE lost both HBK and Edge to retirement which left some holes to be filled in. Perhaps CM Punk needs some time off to recouperate which is very understandable with the extremely hectic WWE schedule. And I will agree that the WWE does need a revolving door policy for all its wrestlers to take time off time to time instead of waiting for an injury or their contract to expire.

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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.00
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
      Shawn and Edge retire which WWE had no say in, but Shawn is probably physically able to keep going even now and they couldn't stop him from hanging it up.


    All of the interviews I read with Shawn seemed to indicate that it was the WWE who pushed him to retire, just like they did with Flair.


      Matt Hardy, Low Ki, MVP all just decided, fuck it, I'd rather just not be here. This is probably best for all the people involved, granted, but even as recently as five years ago I never would have imagined this many people turning down Vince's money without having their hand forced through injury.


    Matt Hardy is potentially certifiably insane, Kaval is a primadonna who thinks the entire industry should be billed around him and I began to realize that MVP has a very skewed view of the world when he was talking about how much better being in Japan during the earthquakes was than being in the WWE.

    I can't believe that the thread has gone on this long without anyone pointing out the obvious fact that one of the biggest benefits to leaving the WWE is how much less strain is put on your body, even if you're working elsewhere. Who cares how much money you have if you're too crippled to enjoy it?

    The Rock spending little time in the WWE has nothing to do with politics. It's because his other job is much less physically taxing. The reason Austin could go another 2 years "if he had to" is because he's had several years to heal up. The simple fact is, pretty much everyone in the WWE would be much better off, in the long run, if they left.


      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      I think Chicken Little predictions of HHH booking the copany around him if/when he takes over are pretty unfounded given that the guy took a year off and doesn't seem in any hurry to get back in the ring fulltime. He's not been SuperSquashMan HHH in like five years.


    If anything, I look forward to HHH being in charge because I think we'll see a return to wrestling. HHH got into the business because he loves wrestling, not to rub it in his father's face or to make a billion dollars. I believe that the day Vince dies is the day that the company returns to its roots.

    (edited by InVerse on 27.4.11 1046)


So what's Punk's leaving most like? Not Shawn's or Edge's, he isn't hurt or old. Is it more like a Christian one, where he lets his contract expire to appear in TNA the next day? Or is it like Show and Jericho. Where he just wants time off? Or Batista, where he just fed up with everything in the WWE?

I say Jericho/Show type set away here for Punk.

Think about this time next year. No HBK, Edge, Punk, Y2J, Batista. Maybe no Show, Undertaker, Kane, Mysterio, HHH.

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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.38
    Originally posted by dMp
    Due to the format of the shows and the hybrid of wrestling and random entertainment it's hard to plug.
    It's not like you can run commercials going "Last year John Cena lost his job, his keys and his pride..what will happen to him this season?"
    OR "The Miz won the coveted WWE championship in the 10/11 season. Will he hang on?"
    It wouldn't work if they weren't on tv but have to hype us again for the upcoming season.




Why wouldn't it work?
WWE is sports entertainment and every sport and TV series has an "off-season".
Abscence makes the heart grow fonder.
How can I miss you if you never leave?
All the cliches apply.

By the time the NFL season comes around, people are super pumped to have it back on their TVs. People don't forget who Peyton Manning or Tom Brady are and they wouldn't forget who John Cena and Randy Orton are.

Plus, with the two brands, Smackdown could stay on for the two months RAW is off and vice-versa.

It's surprising there aren't more injuries and early retirements considering the non-stop schedule and physical nature of the job with no time to stop and heal up.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
I don't think USA Network or SyFy, who pay for 52 episodes a year each, would be happy with this idea.

I also don't think that WWE would be happy with losing a chunk of rights fees in the next contract negotiation.

I also also don't think the wrestlers, who get paid based on each night that they work, want to take what would basically be a 15-20% pay cut.

I also also also don't think that the stockholders, impotent as they are in terms of controlling company direction, would like a move that guarantees a drop in revenue with no real plan for making it back up beyond a vague hope that "if we go away for a while people will like us more."

I also x 4 don't think they really want to give their fans 2 months of time to consider checking out TNA, even if the TNA product is, as the Twitter hashtag goes, #TNAwful.






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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
    Originally posted by spf
    I don't think USA Network or SyFy, who pay for 52 episodes a year each, would be happy with this idea.

    I also don't think that WWE would be happy with losing a chunk of rights fees in the next contract negotiation.

    I also also don't think the wrestlers, who get paid based on each night that they work, want to take what would basically be a 15-20% pay cut.

    I also also also don't think that the stockholders, impotent as they are in terms of controlling company direction, would like a move that guarantees a drop in revenue with no real plan for making it back up beyond a vague hope that "if we go away for a while people will like us more."

    I also x 4 don't think they really want to give their fans 2 months of time to consider checking out TNA, even if the TNA product is, as the Twitter hashtag goes, #TNAwful.




      The network would be happy with the increase ratings finales and premieres get. I am also not so sure USA and Syfy won't like the break as well to debut a new show or two that costs them less money. The drop in revenue would be made up by the advertising money who would in after the ratings success as well as the PPV buys from the first PPV they came from. They can also ease that drop with the salaries of those working live shows. I think the wrestlers would probably like the time off more then then money not all, but a good chunk of them just to heal up. I am also sure they can restructure the contracts to help during that time plus the Mania bonus is usually at least two months of cash anyway. The Stockholders don't run the company, Vince does. Those people who buy WWE stock know this.

      The real problem is Vince is a workaholic and will never do this. Yet, if you want to lessen the amount of major injuries, burn outs and a fanbase who has seen it all before there you go.





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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by lotjx
    The network would be happy with the increase ratings finales and premieres get.

There is absolutely no reason to expect any significant increase in ratings. Perhaps you might see a bump of a few tenths, like when the Rock made his first appearance. But 2 weeks of an extra half a ratings point isn't going to make up for 2 months of having to plug something else in.


    I am also not so sure USA and Syfy won't like the break as well to debut a new show or two that costs them less money.

Raw is most likely much cheaper than most of their other programming that USA or produces and broadcasts. The ratio of ratings to cost for Raw is probably the best that USA gets. Syfy might be different but I don't see Syfy being excited at a 2 month gap in the schedule to show something that they would have to bump for most of the year.


    The drop in revenue would be made up by the advertising money who would in after the ratings success as well as the PPV buys from the first PPV they came from.

Unless you're assuming that they will draw ratings of 8 to 10 times higher than usual for these shows I highly doubt you would come close to making up that revenue gap. The extra bags of money in this scenario are most likely arriving on the backs of dragons and unicorns.


    They can also ease that drop with the salaries of those working live shows. I think the wrestlers would probably like the time off more then then money not all, but a good chunk of them just to heal up.

So far no wrestler, current or retired, ever says that they want to have large chunks of time off forced on them. You are making an extremely unsupported assumption that this would be something the wrestlers support. And the company would be losing far more in revenue than they would be saving in wrestler salaries.


    I am also sure they can restructure the contracts to help during that time plus the Mania bonus is usually at least two months of cash anyway.

You're still taking 1/6 of their money away. Maybe 1/7 if you assume that Mania accounts for that large a chunk of their salary. You want a 15% pay cut? Why would you assume anyone else would want that?

    The Stockholders don't run the company, Vince does. Those people who buy WWE stock know this.

Vince does run the company. However, Vince also doesn't want a run on his stock, especially if he is planning on incurring more debt than they have in the past. And a plan where Vince comes out and says "we've decided all this money we're making is a pain in the ass, so let's make less of it going forward." combined with the announced dividend cuts is not likely to do well for them in the market.



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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.57
    Originally posted by spf

    So far no wrestler, current or retired, ever says that they want to have large chunks of time off forced on them. You are making an extremely unsupported assumption that this would be something the wrestlers support. And the company would be losing far more in revenue than they would be saving in wrestler salaries.


I agree with most of what you said except for these two points. I've seen several wrestlers say that they would like to have more off time. The reasoning against it has nothing to do with money but with fear of losing their spot if they ask for time off. Forced off time for everyone would eliminate this problem.



    You're still taking 1/6 of their money away. Maybe 1/7 if you assume that Mania accounts for that large a chunk of their salary. You want a 15% pay cut? Why would you assume anyone else would want that?


But you're failing to take into account all the money they'd be losing during that period due to travel. While they'd be losing some money, it wouldn't be nearly as significant as you think for most people.

Not to mention the potential career longevity it could provide for some people, as well as giving them a chance to take care of medical issues that might otherwise have caused them to lose far more money while on the shelf after surgery.

And just because they're not wrestling doesn't mean they have to sit at home on the couch. There are still plenty of fundraisers and autograph signings and other appearances they could be getting paid to attend.

Lance storm has written a couple of commentaries on the subject.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.19
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by spf

      So far no wrestler, current or retired, ever says that they want to have large chunks of time off forced on them. You are making an extremely unsupported assumption that this would be something the wrestlers support. And the company would be losing far more in revenue than they would be saving in wrestler salaries.


    I agree with most of what you said except for these two points. I've seen several wrestlers say that they would like to have more off time. The reasoning against it has nothing to do with money but with fear of losing their spot if they ask for time off. Forced off time for everyone would eliminate this problem.



      You're still taking 1/6 of their money away. Maybe 1/7 if you assume that Mania accounts for that large a chunk of their salary. You want a 15% pay cut? Why would you assume anyone else would want that?


    But you're failing to take into account all the money they'd be losing during that period due to travel. While they'd be losing some money, it wouldn't be nearly as significant as you think for most people.

    Not to mention the potential career longevity it could provide for some people, as well as giving them a chance to take care of medical issues that might otherwise have caused them to lose far more money while on the shelf after surgery.

    And just because they're not wrestling doesn't mean they have to sit at home on the couch. There are still plenty of fundraisers and autograph signings and other appearances they could be getting paid to attend.

    Lance storm has written a couple of commentaries on the subject.

I had read those from Lance and totally forgotten about them. I think Lance might be in a different position than many of them, as supposedly Lance took extremely good care of his money over the years, so an offseason might work better for him than for many guys. But I do see his points.

I also agree that burning guys out is a problem. I wonder if perhaps a compromise might be cycling guys off the house show circuit from time to time. Have them come in just for Raw and the PPVs. If you cycle that you'll never have the house show roster be significantly weakened, but guys would get a nice mix of still getting the biggest money dates and some rest in that time. It would also ease concerns of being out of sight, out of mind and losing a spot you worked for.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
    Originally posted by spf
      Originally posted by InVerse
        Originally posted by spf

        So far no wrestler, current or retired, ever says that they want to have large chunks of time off forced on them. You are making an extremely unsupported assumption that this would be something the wrestlers support. And the company would be losing far more in revenue than they would be saving in wrestler salaries.


      I agree with most of what you said except for these two points. I've seen several wrestlers say that they would like to have more off time. The reasoning against it has nothing to do with money but with fear of losing their spot if they ask for time off. Forced off time for everyone would eliminate this problem.



        You're still taking 1/6 of their money away. Maybe 1/7 if you assume that Mania accounts for that large a chunk of their salary. You want a 15% pay cut? Why would you assume anyone else would want that?


      But you're failing to take into account all the money they'd be losing during that period due to travel. While they'd be losing some money, it wouldn't be nearly as significant as you think for most people.

      Not to mention the potential career longevity it could provide for some people, as well as giving them a chance to take care of medical issues that might otherwise have caused them to lose far more money while on the shelf after surgery.

      And just because they're not wrestling doesn't mean they have to sit at home on the couch. There are still plenty of fundraisers and autograph signings and other appearances they could be getting paid to attend.

      Lance storm has written a couple of commentaries on the subject.

    I had read those from Lance and totally forgotten about them. I think Lance might be in a different position than many of them, as supposedly Lance took extremely good care of his money over the years, so an offseason might work better for him than for many guys. But I do see his points.

    I also agree that burning guys out is a problem. I wonder if perhaps a compromise might be cycling guys off the house show circuit from time to time. Have them come in just for Raw and the PPVs. If you cycle that you'll never have the house show roster be significantly weakened, but guys would get a nice mix of still getting the biggest money dates and some rest in that time. It would also ease concerns of being out of sight, out of mind and losing a spot you worked for.


Except they're still going to lose out on their cut of the gate and (the big one) merch sales. Do you think somebody like Cena or Mysterio is going to be happy about the amount of money they'd lose by just working television?
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    Originally posted by Tenken347
      Originally posted by spf
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          So far no wrestler, current or retired, ever says that they want to have large chunks of time off forced on them. You are making an extremely unsupported assumption that this would be something the wrestlers support. And the company would be losing far more in revenue than they would be saving in wrestler salaries.


        I agree with most of what you said except for these two points. I've seen several wrestlers say that they would like to have more off time. The reasoning against it has nothing to do with money but with fear of losing their spot if they ask for time off. Forced off time for everyone would eliminate this problem.



          You're still taking 1/6 of their money away. Maybe 1/7 if you assume that Mania accounts for that large a chunk of their salary. You want a 15% pay cut? Why would you assume anyone else would want that?


        But you're failing to take into account all the money they'd be losing during that period due to travel. While they'd be losing some money, it wouldn't be nearly as significant as you think for most people.

        Not to mention the potential career longevity it could provide for some people, as well as giving them a chance to take care of medical issues that might otherwise have caused them to lose far more money while on the shelf after surgery.

        And just because they're not wrestling doesn't mean they have to sit at home on the couch. There are still plenty of fundraisers and autograph signings and other appearances they could be getting paid to attend.

        Lance storm has written a couple of commentaries on the subject.

      I had read those from Lance and totally forgotten about them. I think Lance might be in a different position than many of them, as supposedly Lance took extremely good care of his money over the years, so an offseason might work better for him than for many guys. But I do see his points.

      I also agree that burning guys out is a problem. I wonder if perhaps a compromise might be cycling guys off the house show circuit from time to time. Have them come in just for Raw and the PPVs. If you cycle that you'll never have the house show roster be significantly weakened, but guys would get a nice mix of still getting the biggest money dates and some rest in that time. It would also ease concerns of being out of sight, out of mind and losing a spot you worked for.


    Except they're still going to lose out on their cut of the gate and (the big one) merch sales. Do you think somebody like Cena or Mysterio is going to be happy about the amount of money they'd lose by just working television?

They'd lose out on house gates which are the smaller ones. And they'd still get merch sales. If John Cena misses a show I'm sure kids will still buy his shirts.



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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by Tenken347

    Except they're still going to lose out on their cut of the gate and (the big one) merch sales. Do you think somebody like Cena or Mysterio is going to be happy about the amount of money they'd lose by just working television?


The WWE had a show in Winnipeg a while back, and Cena wasn't there. I'll be damned if over 1/2 the kids there weren't wearing his gear anyways. As far as we could see, Cena's stuff sold out at the same rate as Rey's (who was there).

From reading twitter comments, there's plenty of wrestlers that don't go to every house show. None of them seem at all concerned and are usually "Loving being on the beach! " at the time. It's probably the top few guys that are required to be at every single show, and these are the guys who are not hurting for money.

Maybe a system could work where guys could request a 2 week break from the house shows, and the WWE could then decide who was off for which 2 weeks and rotate the time based on that.
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