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JustinShapiro
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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.02
Cena vs. Bray Wyatt was actually supposed to be the World Heavyweight Title match when they first drew it up. Then they outsmarted themselves into having to unify.

Meltz was feeling no less certain (elocution notwithstanding) about Punk on the LAW at midnight. Says no one in the company called to yell at him for creating false expectations and he was told he was going in the title match.

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Normally, I actually respect your ideas, but this is just fucking stupid. How can THIS be the "100% Best Ending" when it just has someone else winning Daniel Bryans battles for him instead of allowing Bryan to win his OWN battle?


Thank you sir Cer, I respect you too, but I agree, I would have Bryan win on his own. In my mind's eye Punk wasn't bonking Bryan's opponent for him (Orton I suppose), but returning to stop Triple H from outside interfering as the climax of a bunch of Authority run-ins and melee.

But the lesson of the Bubble Bobble ending is one of friendship. That was my principle point.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
I've been assuming Punk would return in Rosemont for a couple weeks now, ever since the silence got deafening. To me, Punk going invisible and no-showing a Chicago Raw just doesn't add up. I don't pretend to know what makes Punk tick, but his connection with Chicago seems very important to him. It's hard to picture him stiffing his hometown fans like this. If he were really upset with WWE, you'd think he would be airing his grievances in public, to preemptively save face. And to the extent this is a work, Punk's silence plays into the perception that he's got heat with The Authority.
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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by Heims
    I've been assuming Punk would return in Rosemont for a couple weeks now, ever since the silence got deafening. To me, Punk going invisible and no-showing a Chicago Raw just doesn't add up. I don't pretend to know what makes Punk tick, but his connection with Chicago seems very important to him. It's hard to picture him stiffing his hometown fans like this. If he were really upset with WWE, you'd think he would be airing his grievances in public, to preemptively save face. And to the extent this is a work, Punk's silence plays into the perception that he's got heat with The Authority.


I think Punk owes the fans nothing even if they happen to live in the city where he lives. WWE has not said he will be there, so fans shouldn't get pissed if he doesn't show up. Its the Rumble all over again. Where Bryan loses and people think he will be in the Rumble when no one said he would. I am sure the WWE loves the hype around it. They also probably think giving away Wyatts/Shield II on TV as well as D-Bag Batista will quiet the fans or cause some fan civil war where the fans at home start getting pissed at the live fans which is sorta already happening. Then, they spend the next four Raws and Smackdowns hyping every other match, because every fan has given them their Mania money this year in the Network, so who cares of it sucks, they are already have the cash. Unless, the rumors about the early numbers are true and they barely have 200,000 subscribers. Then, they are screwed.

If Punk does come out, it will get a massive pop, he will headline Mania and then in a few months either be gone or sign a Hogan WCW contract that cuts creative ie HHH and Steph out a lot of his plans.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
Why do you even pay attention to any of this stuff any more? You're such a constant downer. Please stop.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
If Punk returns (which i seriously doubt) then I'm personally pulling for his feud with HHH to be reignited somehow. I was 'meh' on this match initially, but with this (possible) shoot-turned-into-a-work, they've upped my interest about 1000%

If he comes back only to lose the title match at WM then it will have been a massive waste in my opinion. But if he comes back & wins, then i'll be fuming because it'll mean there was no guaranteed title win for Batista & this whole saga was simply down to WWE's infuriating stubbornness.

(edited by steven87gill on 3.3.14 0523)
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.90
Punk coming back to job at WM makes no sense at all. I'd have thought the likely hypothetical scenario - which I still don't see happening, as I think he's not coming back - is Punk winning the belt at WM, dropping it at Extreme Rules to Bryan, and then walking away in July.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Punk coming back to job at WM makes no sense at all. I'd have thought the likely hypothetical scenario - which I still don't see happening, as I think he's not coming back - is Punk winning the belt at WM, dropping it at Extreme Rules to Bryan, and then walking away in July.


Interesting idea, but why not just have Bryan win the title at WM then? Besides, i'd prefer if Bryan went through a hated heel for the title, rather than Punk. Which at best is going to split the crowd 50/50. Sorta killing Bryan's moment if he wins.

(edited by steven87gill on 3.3.14 0842)
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35

    Yea, half this post is in my head because I can't decide if I should try to go to Raw on Monday.


Hey, so, I checked on this - and Ticketmaster is showing 0 (zero) tickets available. Stubhub only has 40 tickets, with the cheapest at $210. I don't think I'm going! Problem solved.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by steven87gill
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Punk coming back to job at WM makes no sense at all. I'd have thought the likely hypothetical scenario - which I still don't see happening, as I think he's not coming back - is Punk winning the belt at WM, dropping it at Extreme Rules to Bryan, and then walking away in July.


    Interesting idea, but why not just have Bryan win the title at WM then? Besides, i'd prefer if Bryan went through a hated heel for the title, rather than Punk. Which at best is going to split the crowd 50/50. Sorta killing Bryan's moment if he wins.

    (edited by steven87gill on 3.3.14 0842)


I hate to be a downer, no I don't. But this 100% true. A way this works out is if they do a WM X where they put Bryan/Punk as the opener and Batista/Orton on as a midcard match and the final match is the winner of each of those matches. That, that would be awesome, but I don't see that happening. Another way is for Punk to take Bryan's spot against HHH, a match he seems to have no interest or so we think.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.63
As you know, I have a focus group of one person in my house. She has three action figures that she sleeps with...John Cena, Daniel Bryan, and CM Punk. She has Cult of Personality on her phone so she can listen to it all she wants. She REALLY likes CM Punk.

So far going in to WrestleMania XXX, she's ambivalent on Orton/Batista (but we haven't watched the last SmackDown yet), all-in on Cena/Wyatt (duh), and TOTALLY all-in on Taker/Brock. (All-in, as in, "Dad, I really think Brock might break the Streak.") And she's all-in on Daniel Bryan beating HHH and isn't really bothered at all that he's not in the title match.

It has not even occurred to her to be upset that CM Punk won't be at WrestleMania XXX. Would she be excited if he showed up tonight? Of course. But she's kind of moved on..."CM Punk" chants and all that accounted for.



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#31 Posted on
    Originally posted by steven87gill
      Originally posted by Amos Cochran
      Punk coming back to job at WM makes no sense at all. I'd have thought the likely hypothetical scenario - which I still don't see happening, as I think he's not coming back - is Punk winning the belt at WM, dropping it at Extreme Rules to Bryan, and then walking away in July.


    Interesting idea, but why not just have Bryan win the title at WM then? Besides, i'd prefer if Bryan went through a hated heel for the title, rather than Punk. Which at best is going to split the crowd 50/50. Sorta killing Bryan's moment if he wins.

    (edited by steven87gill on 3.3.14 0842)


I'd rather see Bryan win at Mania but this idea ticks a lot of boxes.

Punk gets his WrestleMania main event; the title match at WrestleMania doesn't get completely shit on by the live crowd; Bryan goes over HHH (if he's getting a title shot at the next PPV he kinda has to... right?); Punk vs Bryan for the title at Extreme Rules is kinda like our Hogan/Warrior (but with workrate!), it would rule, Punk can do his bit to ensure that Bryan becomes THE guy by putting him over clean after an all-time classic (as opposed to a part-timer, which was allegedly part of Punk's beef with plans for Mania); seeing as Punk has (reportedly) worked all his contractually obligated dates, he wouldn't even have to stick around until July and could leave on a high after his match with Bryan.

Have Bryan defend against the likes of Orton, Bray Wyatt, Cena and Cesaro before finally dropping the belt to heel Batista at SummerSlam so Dave has the belt while promoting his movie. Everybody's happy. Well, maybe not everybody. But a lot of people are happy!



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Unless, the rumors about the early numbers are true and they barely have 200,000 subscribers. Then, they are screwed.



How many do they need for it to be successful?





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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Unless, the rumors about the early numbers are true and they barely have 200,000 subscribers. Then, they are screwed.



    How many do they need for it to be successful?


The number I hear floating around various "sites" is one million to make it profitable or even it out. I do think, the big money is in the overseas markets since its just America and maybe Canada right now, but already people are trying to crack the code on that as well.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35
Are you putting "sites" in quotes because you're not sure if they're websites?

The Network probably had at least 300,000 sign ups by 4pm last Monday. (Source!). It's reasonable to believe they're over a half million now.


    How many do they need for it to be successful?


Over the long term, they need a million subscribers. They need more than that this year for this year to defray startup costs.

Those million subscribers are only counting US subscribers; they're hoping to add another 250,000 - 1,000,000 when they add Canada, UK, Australia and other countries. People sneaking in now helps the starting count (and gives WWE more months of their $10), but it also means that second wave is not as big.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    Are you putting "sites" in quotes because you're not sure if they're websites?

    The Network probably had at least 300,000 sign ups by 4pm last Monday. (Source!). It's reasonable to believe they're over a half million now.


      How many do they need for it to be successful?


    Over the long term, they need a million subscribers. They need more than that this year for this year to defray startup costs.

    Those million subscribers are only counting US subscribers; they're hoping to add another 250,000 - 1,000,000 when they add Canada, UK, Australia and other countries. People sneaking in now helps the starting count (and gives WWE more months of their $10), but it also means that second wave is not as big.


I am not sure the sites are that reliable. You have to think they will get another 200,000 or more heading into Mania, after that I have no idea. Now, the 400,000, they have now, how many are 1 week free people that are going to drop? I would say right now they should be safe. The real question is how many stick around after SummerSlam?



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JustinShapiro
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.02
Daniel Bryan vs. Batista is advertised for tonight.

Hmm.
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Daniel Bryan vs. Batista is advertised for tonight.

    Hmm.

WWE employing next-level trolling techniques.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
    Originally posted by yamcharulez
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      Am I the only one thinking, right now, that uniting the titles was a really fucking stupid thing to do? If they still had two titles, Everything would be fine. Give Bryan the Smackdown belt and Batista the Raw belt, or vice versa. Problem solved.



      (edited by Cerebus on 2.3.14 1554)


    No your not. I don't understand why they unified the WWe and World belts. They have a very large roster with a lot of guys who can/ should hold each belt. Cena, Orton, Punk, Brian, Ziggler, Roman Reigns,ect. To have only one main belt with The amount of people they have is crazy to me


I miss the Brand Split Era. Thin PPV rosters aside, it was a great idea.

Its about an hour out, are you going to watch?
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.61
    Originally posted by yamcharulez
      Originally posted by Cerebus
      Am I the only one thinking, right now, that uniting the titles was a really fucking stupid thing to do? If they still had two titles, Everything would be fine. Give Bryan the Smackdown belt and Batista the Raw belt, or vice versa. Problem solved.



      (edited by Cerebus on 2.3.14 1554)


    No your not. I don't understand why they unified the WWe and World belts. They have a very large roster with a lot of guys who can/ should hold each belt. Cena, Orton, Punk, Brian, Ziggler, Roman Reigns,ect. To have only one main belt with The amount of people they have is crazy to me


Too bad they can't make the Intercontinental or US Title as important. Look at the UFC. The heavyweight championship isn't on the line every month yet the welterweight, middleweight, and light heavyweight are just as important enough to sell PPVs. I mean, Dean Ambrose hardly ever defends the US Championship... or it's some joke match on Raw.

(edited by oudom on 3.3.14 1829)
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Horsemen4ever
    I'll go with something like this as "most likely"

    Show starts. "Cult of Personality" hits. Big pop. No one on stage for a good 15 seconds. Then out walks Paul Heyman, booed all the way to the ring. "You were expecting someone else? I get the confusion, a guy that used to be my friend used that song for a while, but he took his ball and went home and I've decided that its mine now. So let's talk about what happened last week when I stood in this ring with the obvious #1 contender for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship... BRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOCCC​CCCCCKKKKKKK... LES-NARRRR..."


So I didn't get the dialogue quite right and did not expect them to allow Heyman to discuss Punk by name, but, to quote Ric Flair and Mr. Perfect, "I'm not the kind of guy to say I told you so, but, WOOOOOOOOOOOO, I told you so."



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