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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35
So. Meltzer says CM Punk is going to be on RAW Monday. Kind of. I don't think this counts as a spoiler, because - well, I transcribed it for posterity:

(setup: Dave talks about why he did, then didn't, then did again believe Punk would be back in Monday night in Chicago. He now believes Punk will be there after 'one important person' told he would be.)

    Originally posted by Bryan Alvarez
    You feeling pretty confident about this?


    Originally posted by Dave Meltzer
    I mean, yea...uh, I don't know. It's not like-it's not like-anyone, look, no one's going to tell you, but, uh, I mean, yea, it's, it's, I was, I mean, put it this way, I was told outright he's going to be there, so, uh, but, that doesn't necessarily, you know, I mean, till he's there, it's not like he's there. So I don't know, I couldn't tell you, I don't say it was 100%, I was told it was 100% though, so there you go.


    Originally posted by Bryan Alvarez
    Alright.


$10.99 a month! It's like a great work of art, you can draw your own meaning from it and it may be different than the person standing next to you. To me, it only means we can move the CM Punk return status from no way to there's a chance!, but there's still the looming specter of not for a very long time. Tomorrow's RAW will probably decide all of that - going with the theory there's no point in bringing back CM Punk after Chicago before WM, because the worst of it will be over - and there are so many different ways to go.

1) CM Punk returns, Chicago crowd is thrilled, Punk gets probably plugged into the Orton vs Batista match for WrestleMania. This is the good ending, at least until that WrestleMania match, and everyone in the Allstate Arena has a good time.

(Yea, half this post is in my head because I can't decide if I should try to go to Raw on Monday. This is like being a neutral fan at a Game 7 - if the home team wins, then it's probably the greatest place in the world. If the home team loses, if any of the next three things happen, it's 4 hours of misery and 2 more of slow traffic.)

2) CM Punk does not return, WWE ignores CM Punk for the most part. Fans chant his name, sound occasionally gets turned down, maybe someone sneaks in a sly reference, maybe AJ never appears before the live crowd, maybe some fans realize they're chanting for someone who took his ball and went home and start to resent the chanting fans, maybe everyone starts to realize the next they'll see of Punk is maybe in August on your local Sinclair affiliate (except there's not one of those in Chicago, oops.)

3) CM Punk does not return, and WWE tries to neutralize the chants by giving the fans something else they think will make them happy. When Austin did this bit, WWE built the show around teasing he'd return and instead got the Rock to show up (for the first time in a long time) as payoff. I'm not sure who works in this spot, outside of Daniel Bryan winning everything. Maybe the Colt Cabana chants pay off? (I'm not sure that'll help.) Michael Jordan might work. Is Michael Jordan busy on Monday? Other idea: all the Blackhawks.

4) CM Punk does not return, and WWE goes bitter. This could go semi-constructive with Batista/Orton/HHH bad mouthing CM Punk as an attempt to get boos or this could be old school WWE spite. I'm thinking Midget Bret Hart levels of spite. (Midget CM Punk would be awesome and you know it. CP Munk is also an acceptable answer.) WWE is always capable of being a world leader in trolling, so this would be perversely entertaining on TV but not something I would want have paid $30 for.

It sounded like Dave thought #1 was more likely, but I think that means #4 is more likely too - if WWE thinks they're bringing back Punk and he doesn't come back, it's more likely they're going to handle it badly and burn a bridge. If you asked me yesterday, I would've said #2 or #3 were more likely. I have no idea. I think there's a chance he's back, but I have no idea.

This is probably not an official prediction game contest, but what do y'all think is happening? In a very controlled WrestleMania build up, it's the things WWE's appeared to lose control of - CM Punk, and the fan's reactions Batista/Orton - which seem to me the most interesting.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
How is Punk getting the third spot in the WM main event "the good ending"? Daniel Bryan deserves that spot. It's his time, not Batista's, not Orton's, not Punk's.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    How is Punk getting the third spot in the WM main event "the good ending"? Daniel Bryan deserves that spot. It's his time, not Batista's, not Orton's, not Punk's.


This. 100% This.

Below are not my words, but my exact thoughts on the matter...

{ How about some attribution? Original comments can be found here (wrestlingforum.com) - Ed. }


    I'm excited for the prospect of Punk potentially returning tomorrow night. I really am. He's one if my favorites and I think WWE could really use him back. But given the current state of WWE's gross mishandling of the Bryan situation since the Rumble, I hope this all doesn't end up negatively backfiring on Punk.

    With the assumption that Punk's being brought back to be inserted in the Mania title match, I wonder how much staying power it will have past the Chicago fans. Sure, it's great that one of "our guys" would be getting into the main event, but I would hate for the heat that's currently on HHH/Batista/WWE to be misplaced and ultimately scapegoated on to Punk because once again Bryan is not getting his due. A guy returning and getting a main event title spot over Bryan? Sounds similar to someone else. I think the luster of Punk's return in Chicago could wear off in a couple weeks, and people would still feel cheat that Bryan is not getting what he deserves as the most over guy in the part decade.

    Now obviously from WWE's perspective, this is killing a number if birds with one stone:
    1. Gets Punk back
    2. Puts a fix on the Mania title match
    3. Saves the Chicago show from fan takeover
    4. Gives Punk that Mania main event he wants

    But isn't the real problem STILL the handling of Daniel Bryan? I hate to say it, but he's simply more important that Punk at this point in time based solely on the fact that he's is hotter than the fucking sun right now, and the fans are starving for the pay off. But the clock is ticking on the pay off, and the buzzer is going to sound on April 6th. You know what happens when you leave something in the oven past the buzzer? It becomes over-cooked.

    Punk's insertion into the Mania title match is another representation of WWE half assing things. "Oh you want Bryan in the title match? What about this other guy you really like? Aren't you happy now? You should be thanking us." It's like treating a sinus infection with Advil. It helps dull the pain, but doesn't do much in terms of fixing anything long term.

    I know it's more conspiracy theories, but would it really surprise you if HHH has his hands on this? Suppress Bryan with the other fans' favorite "skinny guy". Get the heat off he and Batista and put the fans in a bind...can't boo Punk, right?

    It's unfortunate because its once again showing they just don't want Bryan to get the belt at Mania. Punk had his shot in a very similar role to Bryan in the summer of 2011, but WWE cut the legs out from under it and they're doing it once again but in a larger way to a guy who quite frankly has passed where Punk was at at his hottest point. It just sucks that WWE is putting one of "our guys" against us in many ways and acting like it makes up for the Bryan debacle. I just hope it doesn't hurt Punk in the long run...because we know its already hurt Bryan. I'd hate to see two causalities come out if the Road to Wrestlemania not named Orton or Batista.


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
I just posted this last night in the RAW thread.

Here's a way to make everyone happy:

Triple H turns down Bryan's challenge. Hometown hero Punk comes out to challenge Hunter instead. If Punk beats him at Mania, Bryan's in the title match. Hunter accepts if Punk promises to retire if he loses. At Mania, Punk wins. Then Bryan wins. Then on RAW, Punk decks an 'ungrateful' Bryan and we get Punk/Bryan for the belt. Punk gets a new angle and a main-event push, the fans get a hot-hot title feud around champ Bryan, and Punk gets a big Mania spot and win.

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    How is Punk getting the third spot in the WM main event "the good ending"? Daniel Bryan deserves that spot. It's his time, not Batista's, not Orton's, not Punk's.


Having Punk in the main event does kind of make sense storyline-wise, though ... He's sick of "part time players" getting the spotlight (see: Johnson, Dwayne), which gives him a believable legitimate beef with Batista for being "handed" a spot in the main event.

Of course, it would end up being a classic example of rewarding petulance with a main event spot in Wrestlemania, but hey, what can you do?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.35
    Originally posted by Alessandro
    Of course, it would end up being a classic example of rewarding petulance with a main event spot in Wrestlemania, but hey, what can you do?


If we believe what we're told - eh - there's not much difference between Batista and Punk. Part of the deal to entice Batista back was a promise of winning the title at WrestleMania and being booked in a top position. That's the deal he cut, that's about the same deal we think Punk wants. One was under contract, one wasn't, which is a big ethical distinction - but that WWE hasn't seemed to take any action against Punk might mean he actually has ground to stand on here. It also might mean he doesn't!


    How is Punk getting the third spot in the WM main event "the good ending"? Daniel Bryan deserves that spot. It's his time, not Batista's, not Orton's, not Punk's.


I should've been clearer that the specifics of where CM Punk fit in on WrestleMania aren't as a concern to me. (The "good ending" was about RAW and not WM.)

Everything laid out for WM months ago has pretty much happened as it was originally laid out, and it seems like Daniel Bryan winning the title at Extreme Rules is going to be another one of those things, even though we don't know it was the same certainty and it clearly would make a lot more sense for Bryan just to win it at WrestleMania. But I'm just kind of stuck thinking there's no way around HHH vs Bryan after they did the backstage skit last week - they probably would've known they were turning Batista by then, and they still had Daniel demand HHH and not the title.

Still...
- Bryan demands to get in the title match
- the Authority says they listen to the people, so one more match versus Orton tonight - Bryan gets in the WM match if he wins, banned from getting a title shot if he loses
- Bryan is about the win when the ref goes down and Wyatts attack
- John Cena runs out to make the save!
- John Cena is too hurt to fight off the Wyatts
- CM Punk runs in thru the crowd to clean house!
- knee to face, Orton pinned one two three!
- "Daniel Bryan's going to WrestleMania, King!"
- Triple H seethes on stage, perhaps stomps his feet; that darn CM Punk ruined his plans.

that would be a very good ending. I can't decide if I want Cena, Orton and Bryan to stand tall at the end of the show, or if Punk should just disappear back to the crowd so no one knows what's up with him for another week. Punk may not make it out alive if he tries to go back thru that crowd though. We'll have to work it out in the creative meeting.

(This is horrible fantasy booking.)



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.72
Am I the only one thinking, right now, that uniting the titles was a really fucking stupid thing to do? If they still had two titles, Everything would be fine. Give Bryan the Smackdown belt and Batista the Raw belt, or vice versa. Problem solved.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.02
I should probably just wait until Raw is over before running all the scenarios, but oh what the hell, it's the final rumored Wrestlemania card rumor.

I noticed that when the CM Punk chant broke out during the Batista and Randy interview on Raw, yo Dunn kept his finger on the switch and cut to an arena-wide shot. I tried not to read into it too much at the time because these are heady days in terms of crowd shenanigans, but turning Batista and teasing Bryan/HHH at the same time certainly seems to point to those configurations.

The Bubble Bobble 100% Best Ending is definitely Punk coming back to stop Triple H from screwing Daniel Bryan in a match where Bryan gets into the title match, setting up both Mania programs. It'd be the pop of all pops, although a pretty big one is coming no matter what if he shows. It's probably slightly too good to be true. Putting Punk in the threeway solves multiple presumed quandaries: you don't have to run Batista/Orton straight up, Punk doesn't have to work with Hunter, Punk could conceivably get his wish to go last, and if Batista's magic Wrestlemania title win contract is a real thing, I guess he can win?

That aspect still sounds so ridiculous that talking about it feels like discussing some convoluted angle, like Test's immunity or a MITB briefcase, but whether or not it's written in stone, promises were made to Batista and the same promises were made to Punk a few months earlier. WWE's apparent double miscalculation that triggered all this fun was figuring that 1) Punk and the company had the same view of the prestige of a Triple H match at Wrestlemania (oops?), and 2) the fans were going to stand for any scenario where Daniel Bryan does not slay all dragons (hence Bryan vs. Sheamus). The first one I can understand, since it never would've occurred to me, but the second one was increasingly obvious to anyone not in the inner sanctum. I trieds to warns 'em when I said the reaction to Bryan turning on the Wyatts was a "change the Rumble plans" moment.

Whatever the exact scenario shakes out as, I say good for Punk. If the version-of-the-story-that-has-filtered-to-us is approximately true, then he bet on himself and won big. Because they certainly called him and not the other way around. Batista flopped and the Network is a critical time for all hands on deck. A six-week break to heal up instead of carrying Kane four nights a week probably didn't hurt either. Orchestrated like a guy who knew his best friend's best friend's playbook -- walk out and have the red carpet rolled out for you 8 years later -- but he didn't even have to wait until next year.

The psychology and emotion still work better with Bryan and Punk switched, but as Heyman said, you can have anything you want except for the thing you want most. I can find something to enjoy in Bryan beating Triple H.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
I want Option 4. If or when Punk shows up, it will be meet with a giant pop. Tomorrow night would be the night to pull the trigger. Even if he does come back and walk right into the Wrestelmania Main Event, its a band aid on a Walker Leg Mauling. Bryan doesn't get to Main Event, doesn't get the title and will probably to do the job as punishment for Punk or being more over than HHH wanted him to be. If Punk doesn't win the title then God help the security crew at Mania.

The signing of Batista has to be one of the worst business decision in years. I think the trail of the crime comes from the ridiculously low BattleGroud PPV and the slipping Raw ratings, because I mean there is no competition on Monday and Sunday Nights in the fall. None what so ever. HHH and Vince decided that since Batista is in a movie, he is like Rock. Yet, Rock is not third person to the right in the films he is in. He is the major protagonist or antagonist. Regardless, they gave him this contract that let him win the Rumble, the title and the main event at Wrestlemania. So far, he is getting all that minus the title which means more like an inevitable event like Takers's Mania win against Brock.

Now, if the WWE is smart, they may have already calmed the fans down by turning Batista. What doesn't the IWC love more than a heel. So, they turned Batista heel, the boos were eventually turn into cheers, because lets face it, that is how the internet rolls. At Mania, instead of Batista getting cheered by boos, it will be cheers for the bitter tell it like it is part time wrestler who will disappear, the second Guardians of the Galaxy hits the theaters. Now, there is no need to sign that traitor Punk or let that vanilla midget Bryan main event. All will be well in WWE land especially when the initial WWE Network numbers come in.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.45
Yeah, I think this Batista heel turn is a strategic crowd psychology move to get the crowds to cheer for him. Make him a face and we boo, but make it so that we're supposed to boo him and we cheer. At least, that's what they think.

If they're really bringing Punk back and put him in the triple threat, it might just do enough to mitigate what is almost guaranteed to be an underwhelming title match at WrestleMania. Bryan beats HHH for the baby face win, Batista wins the title for the heel win.

We all know it's stupid, and is exactly why wrestling promotions should never guarantee anyone the title in their contract- because it REALLY messes organic things up like Bryan's chase to the title.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
The CM Punk thing is strange for a few reasons ...

-The CM Punk character was clearly sputtering since the Heyman feud.

-CM Punk is a far better heel

-Adding Punk in the Title Match makes for a great television moment and will excite the Chicago crowd, but I don't expect it to have that affect on the rest of the Universe.

-Almost everybody on the card is on the wrong spot simply because they bumbled the Danial Bryan situation so badly.

Adding Punk to the Title Match should help this match from being a train wreck, but it still doesn't make a lot of sense Helmsley should have his two buddies try to squash his biggest problem on the biggest stage of them all.

On a side side note. The Helmsely character and maybe even the person will always come off more like Eric Bischoff than Vince McMahon simply because he wants to be loved so badly.





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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.21
What about:

5)Punk's music hits while Hunter is in the ring, and out runs a midget version of CM Punk. Hunter laughs maniacally, and throws the midget out of the ring.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.72
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    The Bubble Bobble 100% Best Ending is definitely Punk coming back to stop Triple H from screwing Daniel Bryan in a match where Bryan gets into the title match, setting up both Mania programs.


Normally, I actually respect your ideas, but this is just fucking stupid. How can THIS be the "100% Best Ending" when it just has someone else winning Daniel Bryans battles for him instead of allowing Bryan to win his OWN battle? You might as well have Cena give him a title belt and a pat on the back.

This is not what the people want, at all. They want Bryan to have earned his title match by himself and then pin Orton clean with no bullshit. Of course, evidently, this is never going to happen.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.31
Doing a rerun of 'that'll put butts in seats' in Chicago would be an interesting dichotomy with Punk playing Stone Cold & Bryan playing Foley.

I agree that Punk must not be seen to hand Bryan the title, but merely prevent HHH from screwing him again. Punk comes in, cleans house, beats the shit out of HHH, allows match to reach it's conclusion, even have Randy hit another finisher or two.

I've gotta stop fantasy booking, i'm only gonna end up Royal Rumble-ing myself.

My cynical side says Punk returning is just a sly ploy by WWE to settle the crowds. Fans think Punk is showing, keep settled, Punk doesn't show up & Wrestle-Mania will look exactly the same after tomorrow night.




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I'll go with something like this as "most likely"

Show starts. "Cult of Personality" hits. Big pop. No one on stage for a good 15 seconds. Then out walks Paul Heyman, booed all the way to the ring. "You were expecting someone else? I get the confusion, a guy that used to be my friend used that song for a while, but he took his ball and went home and I've decided that its mine now. So let's talk about what happened last week when I stood in this ring with the obvious #1 contender for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship... BRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOCCCCCCCCKKKKKKK... LES-NARRRR..."



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
    Originally posted by Cerebus
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      The Bubble Bobble 100% Best Ending is definitely Punk coming back to stop Triple H from screwing Daniel Bryan in a match where Bryan gets into the title match, setting up both Mania programs.


    Normally, I actually respect your ideas, but this is just fucking stupid. How can THIS be the "100% Best Ending" when it just has someone else winning Daniel Bryans battles for him instead of allowing Bryan to win his OWN battle? You might as well have Cena give him a title belt and a pat on the back.

    This is not what the people want, at all. They want Bryan to have earned his title match by himself and then pin Orton clean with no bullshit. Of course, evidently, this is never going to happen.


If I may, Punk and Triple H precedes Triple H and Bryan, and Mania allows them fo finally end that angle. This goes back to the PipeBomb (or PimpBomb) ans the Diesel angle and even Shawn superkicking Bryan. Hunter may disregard Bryan, but he HATES Punk. And Punk has the recent Kane and DX angles to throw back in Hunter's face. Both Punk and Bryan have deep-dish beef with the Hunter gang.

If Mania is the WWE's last shot to make hay with Punk, this is the way to do it. Hunter's ego traps him in a match with Punk. Hunter loses. Punk wins (and can ride off in the sunset). Bryan wins. And if Punk wants to stay around, let him put over the new champ as the new best in the world (and let him claim he alone got Bryan his shot).

I really think this can work.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
      Originally posted by Cerebus
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        The Bubble Bobble 100% Best Ending is definitely Punk coming back to stop Triple H from screwing Daniel Bryan in a match where Bryan gets into the title match, setting up both Mania programs.


      Normally, I actually respect your ideas, but this is just fucking stupid. How can THIS be the "100% Best Ending" when it just has someone else winning Daniel Bryans battles for him instead of allowing Bryan to win his OWN battle? You might as well have Cena give him a title belt and a pat on the back.

      This is not what the people want, at all. They want Bryan to have earned his title match by himself and then pin Orton clean with no bullshit. Of course, evidently, this is never going to happen.


    If I may, Punk and Triple H precedes Triple H and Bryan, and Mania allows them fo finally end that angle. This goes back to the PipeBomb (or PimpBomb) ans the Diesel angle and even Shawn superkicking Bryan. Hunter may disregard Bryan, but he HATES Punk. And Punk has the recent Kane and DX angles to throw back in Hunter's face. Both Punk and Bryan have deep-dish beef with the Hunter gang.

    If Mania is the WWE's last shot to make hay with Punk, this is the way to do it. Hunter's ego traps him in a match with Punk. Hunter loses. Punk wins (and can ride off in the sunset). Bryan wins. And if Punk wants to stay around, let him put over the new champ as the new best in the world (and let him claim he alone got Bryan his shot).

    I really think this can work.


I really think this won't happen. Horsemen has the closest thing I see happening with Heyman. They are going to either bust Punk out first to get the massive pop and stop the chants or troll the audience all night, play "Cult of Personality" to only have HHH come out, pedigree Bryan and then wave to the fans who already bought their tickets.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.39
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    3) CM Punk does not return, and WWE tries to neutralize the chants by giving the fans something else they think will make them happy.

Sting?

But hey, can we at least all agree that Randy Orton is becoming less and less welcome in whatever story plays out here?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.70
    Originally posted by Horsemen4ever
    Show starts. "Cult of Personality" hits. Big pop. No one on stage for a good 15 seconds. Then out walks Paul Heyman
Replace Heyman with Batista and you've got my prediction for the start of the show.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.22
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Am I the only one thinking, right now, that uniting the titles was a really fucking stupid thing to do? If they still had two titles, Everything would be fine. Give Bryan the Smackdown belt and Batista the Raw belt, or vice versa. Problem solved.



    (edited by Cerebus on 2.3.14 1554)


No your not. I don't understand why they unified the WWe and World belts. They have a very large roster with a lot of guys who can/ should hold each belt. Cena, Orton, Punk, Brian, Ziggler, Roman Reigns,ect. To have only one main belt with The amount of people they have is crazy to me



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