Probably the most unsatisfying ending I can think of.
Yes, there's a huge fight. It spills over from the Negative Zone into New York City. Namor comes to the aid of Captain America while Iron Man gets backup from the Thor clone-cyborg-double-whatever. Then things start to get really silly.
-Seemingly having the upper hand, Cap's about to take out Iron Man for good...until A BUNCH OF NEW YORKERS MAKE THE SAVE! Apparently, Iron Man has made their lives SO much better and they think Captain America and his crew are evil or some junk. Cap's so moved by this that he SURRENDERS! WTF?! -After promising a death so huge that future one-shot issues will be dedicated to the impact that the death of this character will have over EVERYONE...the big death turns out to be the Thor clone-cyborg-robot-whatever. Nice bait and switch, Joe. -After portraying Iron Man as such a huge jerk who violates his friends' civil rights by throwing them in the Negative Zone pokey without trial...he gets PROMOTED to the director of S.H.I.E.L.D. As for the general populace, they LIKE having a super-team in each state and they eventually accept the Negative Zone prison. And using super-villains that would just as easily murder or maim any of them? Why, that's just fine and dandy. Hell, Colorado wants them to be THEIR super-team! Meanwhile, Tony Stark gets zero comeuppance. In fact, he comes out of this the big winner, completely unscathed. Say what? -After being hyped for months on end as his big turn to the dark side, since he's so full of despair...Spider-man returns to the black costume with no explanation, but a simple "How do you like my new threads?"
I think I could eventually forget this issue...if Marvel wasn't going to milk this shitty ending for every penny they can get for at least the next year. Blah! Don't waste a penny on Civil War! Unlike DC's Infinite Crisis, this did NOT live up to the hype.
Unless you're a big art fan, because Steve McNiven's panels did kick some major ass.
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After issue #4, where it REALLY sucked ass, it got progressively better. Granted, DC has a lock on the 'big storyline' books, but this ended better then I expected.
Certainly, I'm glad they didn't kill off Captain America like I fear they were going to, but I guess I should feel cheated in that there really wasn't a big death in this issue, as promised. (Thor Clone... what's that? I seem to have no recollection of this that you speak of... and that all I have to say about that.)
MARVEL has really missed the boat by hyping CIVIL WAR as much as they have and completely ignored the other books they were putting out. The AGENTS OF ATLAS series was quite good and ANNIHILATION was well worth reading as well. PLANET HULK was also great, but got lost in all the CW crap. SILENT WAR, which just started up, is also getting lost due to bad timing I fear.
The problem was that each of these titles could and should have been done separately and not thrown out all at the same time.
Here's what else I don't like about how MARVEL is running it's company. It's like Joe Quesada is the Dixie Carter of the comic business. He keeps promising these company wide, earth shattering events, but all that happens is that it ends up being build up towards the next event. It's like being promised the absolute, end all/be all best sex of your life with a supermodel only to end up getting a hand job from a fat chick. Seriously!
Sadly, I am interested in the aftermath of CIVIL WAR, but CIVIL WAR itself was a let down. As much as I love Captain America, I'm glad he gave up. I think he was fighting for the wrong side. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him next. Iron Man, while we're supposed to be against him, is right to be doing what he's doing. Heroes should be held accountable for thier actions and with the Government sponsering them, it just more makes sense then to let them run around do whatever and not facing the consequences of thier actions.
Also, come on, you gotta admit that Warren Ellis's THUNDERBOLTS is fucking great!
Actually, two issues in and I'm not at all sold on the new Thunderbolts. The previous iterations of the team were all about the interpersonal dynamics, the personality clashes, and the way former supervillains would team up and work contrary to each other even though they had the same goals, just because they're used to not trusting anyone. Ellis' T-bolts don't seem to have any interaction with each other. Nothing these guys do makes it seem like they're part of a team, not even a team that's not working together very well. I'm hanging on, because it is only two issues in, but I'm really hoping that things pick up.
As far as the issue itself goes, I liked most of it. I'm with Cerebus as far as liking the aftermath more than the actual story. The fight scene was great, but other things fell flat. I really didn't need Reed's answer to the "Dear Reed" letter from the awful CW #4. Reed Richards is a brilliant man with bad social skills, but he doesn't talk like Adrian Monk.
That's a great link. And panel four really sums up the entire problem with the Civil War concept. Iron Man is not particularly trustworthy. On the other hand, Captain America is the living legend of World War II, the sentinel of liberty who represents the greatest ideals of the United States and its people. There is no real world analog to the level of credibility he possesses. The closest thing I've been able to come up with is if we were able to revive George Washington in his prime and had him battle evil as America's ultimate fighting man. I mean, there is just no way that the super hero community, let alone the general public, wouldn't listen to him.
I definitely agree with panel 4 as an indictment of the Civil War concept. There were a couple of other parts of the link that really made me laugh while simultaneously shaking my head.
-"Please don't kill my aunt! Uh...this was probably a really bad idea." -"You invented Pym Particles, which causes things to shrink! It's your entire deal!" ... "Yep, I sure wish we could shrink him down somehow." -"It all comes down to this! The fight for -- Wait, is that Mar-vell? #$%@%#@ seriously?!"
Twas a decent series, but definitely not better than Infinite Crisis or even the far-superior Ultimates 2 (which, btw, WHEN is Millar going to get around to finishing that again?). I liked the Dixie Carter analogy that Cerebus made, because it makes perfect sense. Really, it'd be an easier pill to swallow if this ending was just an ending and not another stepping stone to yet another mega event that will "break the Internet in half" (tm Joe Quesada).
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Originally posted by It's FalseTwas a decent series, but definitely not better than Infinite Crisis or even the far-superior Ultimates 2 (which, btw, WHEN is Millar going to get around to finishing that again?).
I think Millar's part is done. Aren't we just waiting on Hitch? *checks* OK, marvel.com says it's out April 11. We'll see.
Tony Stark has a long history with SHIELD. All the way back to his early days in the 60's. So his sudden ascension to Head Honcho isn't as out-of-the-blue as we might think.
At least Civil War has some substantial differences when the thing was over. Infinite Crisis had... well, we're not really sure what the deal was with all the multiple earths. Sorry, but I don't count dangling threads like "how did Harvey Bullock get his job back" as good plot carrots. The JLA was around before Crisis...and they're still around. At least Civil War split the Avengers apart (yeah, again).
Oh yeah, Civil War #7 also beats out Infinite Crisis #7 simply because they didn't skimp on the coloring. That two-page spread in IC #7 where only HALF of the scene was colored was frickin' amatuer.
My biggest confusion on CW was the identity thing. Now that all the surrenduring heroes were given "amnesty", does that mean that they still had to register? And does registration automatically make your secret ID into a public ID...or is it just SHIELD that knows your name?
As for Thunderbolts... well, I think the interesting thing is with the old holdovers (Songbird, Moonstone, Radioactive Man and on a lesser level, Swordsman). After years of trying to be good guys, they now see that's it okay to be the murderous jerks they were trying to evolve away from.
Sorry, but the old T-Bolts (well, since 2000 when Nicieza took over) were full of lame Star Trek-ish techno babble and convoluted plots. Like: "maybe we can construct an anti-extrapolation apparatus and deflect the energy into a null field?! Fixer, can you do it?!" "Yeah, yeah...that just might work! I'll need Blizzard and Atlas to power it with their internal energy sources, though!" Two issues isn't enough for me to claim the New T-bolts are great, but I think it's an improvement over what was around before.
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What's going to happen with the Avengers now? I was really enjoying the series prior to Civil War but now that the team has been split over this issue how is the series going to continue? I can't see Stark and Cap working along side each other anytime soon.
Originally posted by General ZodWhat's going to happen with the Avengers now? I was really enjoying the series prior to Civil War but now that the team has been split over this issue how is the series going to continue? I can't see Stark and Cap working along side each other anytime soon.
Why, two team books, of course!
Mighty Avengers, led by Iron Man, will be government sanctioned and consists of Ms. Marvel, Ares, Black Widow, Wasp, Wonder Man, and The Sentry.
New Avengers will feature an underground team of Avengers consisting of Echo, a new Ronin, Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Spider-Woman, Spider-Man, Iron Fist, and Luke Cage.
Bendis is writing both books, and has mentioned that that the Mighty Avengers lineup I listed there might not be final.
The Face of Battle is one of the most riveting (and sobering) works of history I've ever read. NYT obit: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/03/books/sir-john-keegan-historian-who-put-a-face-on-war-dies-at-78.html?pagewanted=all