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#1 Posted on
What the hell did they do to this man?

(1) They team him with Billy Gunn and make them the WWF's Ambiguously Gay Duo complete with FLAMING red tights;
(2) he bleached/dyed his hair blond;

and the killer...

(3) if you've seen Smackdown, he's wearing his hair like Pippi Longstocking or one of those little girls in "Little House on the Prarie." Disturbing.

Yeah, he may be getting over and he finally has a personality (albeit one that rivals Goldust or Lenni/Lodi) but was there no other way to get him over?

Oh, and I miss Sean O'Haire.





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#2 Posted on
They could have had him get a short haircut (ala undertaker) and called him "Chuck Powers" from the get go. they could have teamed with Awesome at first and now maybe Albert.



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#3 Posted on
I think this is good for Chuck.
Sure, he is gay now but it gives him some time in the spotlight. Something that O'Haire isn't getting yet.

He can learn how to work a match, use psychology, etc..
After that they take him away for a while and he gets repackaged into something not gay..

O'Haire who as far as I recall had some sweet moves is working in OVW where I hope he learns some more moves and he gets a good character. Maybe after the mythical split he will get called up and be all impressive and stuff..



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back in wcw, palumbo was a tag wrestler. he had a little feud with luger, but a few weeks of that it was "straight" to the tag ranks. if that's the path he's going to take as a wrestler, gimmicks aside, billy gunn is the guy you want him teaming with.

two guys with "attractive" physiques (not imo) teaming together used to be called blowjobs. they're just running with it, playing up what people have been saying about gunn for years.

with ohaire, something crz said put it in perspective for me. he's got the look, he's got the charisma but he's green. he's off national tv for now, but he's learning the craft. when he does get called up, he's going to have the tools to make an immediate singles splash, rather than just being a big guy who can do sentons and whose weaknesses they have to book around.



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Since: 30.8.02
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No, there was no other way to get him over, 'cuz he's boring. Did they ever even explain how he was never fired? I know the Alliance people (the ones they want on TV) have since been forgiven (unless they're Lance Storm and have to earn their way back on), but I think Palumbo had appeared prior to that... ehhh, screw it.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#6 Posted on
Palumbo "defected" to the WWF a few weeks before S.S. I think it was on Heat. That's why he wasn't fired.

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Since: 12.1.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
Anyone remember Chuck Palumbo's overturned WCW World Title win over Booker T?

...It was truly sad. Thank God the decision was overturned, though.

Palumbo simply isn't interesting to me. Never has been. Never will be. And tag-teaming him with The Human Gimmick Machine, Billy Gunn, isn't helping him get over to me.

Tell you the truth... as a guy whose sister is bisexual, I frankly find this Palumbo/Gunn Ambigiously Gay Duo thing to be very insulting.



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Since: 4.1.02
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#8 Posted on
Palumbo was fired by the Alliance for (I think) disagreeing with a beating that Austin was giving to Tazz. Within the next couple weeks he was given a tryout for the WWF on Heat against (once again, I *think*) Raven. He won the match securing a job in the WWF. After the win he was beaten down by some Alliance B-Team guys, and subsequently saved by Billy Gunn. Thus, everyone's favorite tag team is born. They were face for a little while since they were WWF and the Alliance were still around, but soon they started in with their current act.

And just for the record, I think Billy and Chuck are doing a fine job. If they weren't, and were getting no heat, they wouldn't be in the position they are. I love gimmicks that get under people's skin for no apparent reason. I don't know how anyone could really be offended by them. I mean, who said they are homosexual anyways? So they act a little flamboyant. They never said, "hey we're gay and now we're going to go shopping for curtains together." It just goes to show how uncomfortable people are with men not acting like "men." As soon as some guys dance around and compliment each other everyone is SURE that they are making fun of gay people, and people should be offended. Why would someone bisexual be offended by two muscular guys that show their affection for each other? And more so, why would someone whose sister is bisexual be "insulted?" Not trying to start an arguement here, I just don't understand the logic behind that at this point.

The other thing I love about this gimmick is that it gets people talking, and that's what the WWF wants. Geez, there are more Billy and Chuck threads on here than there are of Austin or Jericho. The WWF sure knows how to push buttons.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
What's insulting is doing the same old stereotypes over and over.



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#10 Posted on
But are they really doing the "same old stereotypes?" They don't talk with lisps or wear pink outfits. And if they are doing old stereotypes the only thing that should be offended is our intelligence. But what I see is that they act so over the top and silly that I find it hard to do anyhting but laugh a thteir antics and the people get pissed about it.

And if people are going to get offended by this, why isn't there an outcry when women get beat or a drunk Texan sits around and plays cards, smokes cigars and makes misoginistic (sp) comments about women? I find that way more disturbing than Billy and Chuck giving each other matching boxes of chocolates.
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#11 Posted on
Watching Chuck count all his chocolate before leaving them with Cole had to be one of the funniest things last night. Not that he had much competition last night.



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#12 Posted on
pro wrestling is about archetypes. stereotypes are something that is repeated over and over without changing - someone is this, therefor the must act like this. archetypes are natural occuring patterns - people with this general sort of behaviour keep popping up in society.

the gay gimmick in general is an archetype and billy and chuck are just the most recent iteration of it. scotty and brian as "too much" are different from lenny and lodi who are different from billy and chuck. they all played it a different way. the only thing in common with the gimmicks is that they were supposed to be gay.

being gay or bi or having a relative or friend who is doesn't make your opinion any more valid than someone else's.



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IMO, they are pretty entertaining. That's it. I don't get why people get worked up so much. I laughed when they came out to their new music, and I laughed when they did the chocolate bit on Smackdown. They're doing their job.

On a side note: Does anyone notice that Chuck wrestles funny? I don't know what it is, but he walks/wrestles awkward...



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    IMO, they are pretty entertaining. That's it. I don't get why people get worked up so much. I laughed when they came out to their new music, and I laughed when they did the chocolate bit on Smackdown. They're doing their job.


You have to remember, this IS Billy Gunn were talking about. When was the last time any significant ammount of people allowed themselves to find him entertaining?


    On a side note: Does anyone notice that Chuck wrestles funny? I don't know what it is, but he walks/wrestles awkward...


This joke just writes itself. I hope I'm not the only one who thought of it and am therefore a sick freak.



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#15 Posted on

    Originally posted by bigwavedave
    They could have had him get a short haircut (ala undertaker) and called him "Chuck Powers" from the get go. they could have teamed with Awesome at first and now maybe Albert.


Wow. MAJOR flashback of one of the all-time jobbers, Jim Powers. The guy was described as an "up and coming young star" for about ten years.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
Here's my take. Making a straight person out to be a stereotypical flaming homosexual is insulting. As insulting as a white man acting out African-American stereotypes. Why are Gunn and Palumbo heels? Because their characters are gay. Can you think of any other reason?

And to cap it off, the affection Billy and Chucky show for each other is looked at by other characters as being unnatural. Remember the look on Jazz's face when she walked in on them stretching together? Or Hurricane's comment about “FLAME ON!”?

I'm straight, but I think that if the WWF is going to have gay characters, they shouldn't be heels just because they're portrayed as gay. Nor should it be looked upon as being unnatural or wrong. It's a lifestyle that certain people choose to have, and that kind of thing shouldn't be played for comedy, in my opinion. Nor should it make them default “bad guys”. And I by no means intended to imply that my opinion is more valid than anyone else's just because of my sister's lifestyle choice. I'm simply stating an alternative viewpoint from my own perspective.

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#17 Posted on
I don't think they're stereotypical. Adorable Adrian Adonis was stereotypical. As someone was saying earlier, it's not like they mince, have limp wrists, have pink triangles on their tights, or play show tunes as they come to the ring. If GLAAD does attempt to pressure the WWF, I hope Vince treats them the same as he did the PTC, since it's pretty much the same type of complaint. It's just coming from a slightly different political sector.

You could make the argument that Gunn and Palumbo are not really gay--they're just really really stuck on themselves
and on each other. Either way, they're just the latest in a long line of people to have done that type of angle.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01
Right, like how Lenny and Lodi claimed to be “brothers”.

Quibbling over whether or not the characters themselves have said they're gay is irrelevant. It's quite clear that they're playing a gay gimmick, and I doubt anyone would argue with it.

I will grant you that for the time being, they're not as stereotypical as Adrian Adonis. But I still find it disturbing that their face-or-heel-ness is determined by the characters' (apparent) sexual orientation. As well as the anti-gay sentiments expressed, whether verbally or otherwise, by other Superstars.

...Eh. I'll say this, they're not as disturbing as half of the freak shows that were running around during the Attitude era. So I suppose I do have to give the WWF credit for that much, at least.



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#19 Posted on

    Originally posted by WTF13
    You could make the argument that Gunn and Palumbo are not really gay--they're just really really stuck on themselves

Exactly. Any heel heat they're getting comes from this aspect, doesn't it? The fact that they've got such big egos?

And I think people are laughing at Billy&Chuck because they're so clueless about how others see them. They're so stupid they don't even know they're supposed to be gay -- or something like that.

In any event, this is the most un-stereotypical gay gimmick I've ever seen.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.09
Yeah. While there will be some off-hand comments regarding their sexuality, Jim Ross doesn't complain about it, does he? He'll say something along the lines of "They never met a mirror they didn't like" and not like them for THAT reason.

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