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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by It's False
    Also, I'm ashamed of myself for not recognizing Fandango's gimmick connection with Dancing with the Stars before. Of course Vince created a gimmick to capitalize on Dancing with the Stars roughly five years after it stopped being relevant. Of course he did.

    (edited by It's False on 13.3.13 2152)


So we're only about another year away from a stable of stereotypical jersey wrestlers?



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.80
    Originally posted by It's False
    I don't doubt that it'll be a decent match, assuming Curtis is up for it...but seriously...Chris Jericho came back for THIS???



A Rumble spot, an Elimination Chamber spot, and a WrestleMania match? They're not bad reasons to come back.

Are we more worried about Jericho's legacy than he is? 'Cause he's living the dream by doing this and being a rock star and hosting various basic-cable shows.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
Jericho's repeatedly said he could not give less of a shit what it is he ends up doing when he comes back, as long as he has fun and entertains people. He's accomplished everything he ever wanted to in wrestling, and now he just pops in and out for the Hell of it.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.30
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by CRZ
      assuming it actually happens. Doesn't Meltzer usually overuse his "keep in mind these are the current plans, which change daily" macro when discussing things like this?


    I actually have a theory that Jericho legit wurked Dave giving him misinfo about a Jericho vs. Ryback feud. Genuinely wonder if this is the same thing.

      Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
      I find it hard to believe Jericho will ever pronounce his name correctly.

      Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      Fan-DAYN-go.


    god yes.

    FANJUNIOR
    FLAMINGO
    BOJANGLES
    VAN MANGO

    YOU WILL NEVER
    E-E-E-EVER
    HEAR YOUR NAME

    AGANE

And as part of the build up, Fandango would find support and receive training from a former Jericho enemy and name-victim...

MA-LEN-KO.

Anything behind thinking that Jericho came up with the Ryback thing as a put-on? It didn't make any sense, but they did have those weird two weeks where Jericho was suddenly involved in the Shield angle and repeatedly slapping Ryback on the chest that seemingly must have been intended to go somewhere.

Jericho/Fandango, though, does sound like something Jericho would make up while bored, though it could be fun and probably better than Jericho/Ryback would have been. If this does happen, I guess Hell No/Zig y Langston is the tag match, the IC match goes back to Miz/Barrett and Cesaro beats Kofi in five minutes on the pre-show?
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    Jericho's repeatedly said he could not give less of a shit what it is he ends up doing when he comes back, as long as he has fun and entertains people. He's accomplished everything he ever wanted to in wrestling, and now he just pops in and out for the Hell of it.


Personally, I'm not so much concerned about his legacy as I am about whatever it is that he's currently going to be doing. I think it's great the Jericho's willing to do whatever, and I think that's exactly the attitude someone in his position should have, because that benefits the product. However, when you have a legendary guy like Jericho, who's only ever in the company for, like, 4 months at a stretch, it seems like you'd want to make better use of him. A protracted feud with Fandango could really put him over. A feud that you book offhand a couple weeks before WrestleMania, with no real build or purpose, is only going to hurt both guys, and be a waste of Jericho's limited appearance AND the limited time that you have for WrestleMania. I just wish the company was smarter about talent management, because at this point, it's not even about seeing the guys I like get spots, but about making the spots themselves seem important. WrestleMania this year feels like they booked Cena/Rock, Punk/Undertaker, and maybe Brock/HHH ahead of time, and then were like "Hey, what else do we put on this card? Eh, I don't know, we'll figure it out later." This is not how you book the Grandest Stage of Them All.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.45
WWE has been doing this since forever, though. For many many years, many many WrestleManias have more or less been thrown together. The top two or three matches are often planned out because those are the draws, the ones they emphasize. The undercard is more often than not slapdash, and this goes back to virtually every WrestleMania down to the very first one.

Off the top of my head, famous "thrown together wastes of main event talent" in the past include:

Stone Cold vs. Scott Hall at WrestleMania 18
Batista vs. Umaga at WrestleMania 24
Randy Orton vs. Kane last year at 28

There are others, of course. Inevitably a couple of big stars find themselves shut out of the marquee matches for whatever reason. And if that happens to top guys, the midcard guys are just happy to be on the show and get the payday. Maybe they also get a spotlight piece of business thrown their way if booking plans warrant it.

I'm not justifying WWE's booking practices, mind you. Just pointing out that no WrestleMania is ever perfect on paper.

Having said that, the more I think about Chris Jericho vs. Fandango, the more I warm to the idea. For the undercard of WrestleMania 29, this could be a sleeper showstealer.




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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.79
    Originally posted by Dr
    Anything behind thinking that Jericho came up with the Ryback thing as a put-on? It didn't make any sense, but they did have those weird two weeks where Jericho was suddenly involved in the Shield angle and repeatedly slapping Ryback on the chest that seemingly must have been intended to go somewhere.


It was a combination of two things -- the psychological denial of a Ryback/Jericho match and Jericho heel turn that didn't make sense and I didn't want to see, and the memory that just before his End of the World return, Jericho apparently exaggerated to Dave a big falling out with WWE over them leaving him out of the video game (and the big licensing checks wrestlers get from that), using the Dirt Paper of Record to make his return more of a surprise.

Of course, that theory also assumed that Jericho was misdirecting from some other cool WM plans he had laid out that he wanted to play out as a surprise. Which, uh. And like you said, there was a tease of Ryback/Jericho that first night if you were looking for it.

The Observer's undercard from the week of Elimination Chamber did line up: Ryback/Jericho, Sheamus/Henry, Orton/Show, Shield/Hell No. He says the Shield was supposed to lose to the Team Nice & Strong at the PPV but they changed the finish the day of the show. So it seems like after they decided to put the Shield over, they changed their WM match to keep them against main eventers, and the rest dominoed from there.



    If this does happen, I guess Hell No/Zig y Langston is the tag match, the IC match goes back to Miz/Barrett and Cesaro beats Kofi in five minutes on the pre-show?


So close. Everything you said, but he says the pre-show match is currently R-Truth vs. Cesaro parenthetical question mark. Which was already a thing and is now well beneath Cesaro, or at least would've been before last month when he too became a guy who lost all his matches, aka "a WWE heel."

Also on the pre-show, Rhodes Scholars/Bellas vs. Brodus/Tensai/Funkadactyls or Scholars/Bellas/Layla vs. Brodus/Tensai/Funkadactyls/Kaitlyn.

If you're wondering why, with much love to Johnny C, Jericho is allegedly working Fandango while Cesaro is allegedly working YouTube -- to say nothing of why Miz/Cesaro would suddenly end right before the finish line -- well, I guess we'll see if all this sticks. The undercard has been nuked twice since Elimination Chamber already. Watch Jericho just end up in the IC title threeway we all expected after Monday, turning this thread into a sad, fleeting, bitter tease. I can't have that on my head.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Watch Jericho just end up in the IC title threeway we all expected after Monday
I expected a four-way - Jericho, Miz, Barrett, Cesaro - since Cesaro and Miz had their deal, and Cole mentioned that Cesaro said he wanted to be a double champion.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    WWE has been doing this since forever, though. For many many years, many many WrestleManias have more or less been thrown together. The top two or three matches are often planned out because those are the draws, the ones they emphasize. The undercard is more often than not slapdash, and this goes back to virtually every WrestleMania down to the very first one.

    Off the top of my head, famous "thrown together wastes of main event talent" in the past include:

    Stone Cold vs. Scott Hall at WrestleMania 18
    Batista vs. Umaga at WrestleMania 24
    Randy Orton vs. Kane last year at 28

    There are others, of course. Inevitably a couple of big stars find themselves shut out of the marquee matches for whatever reason. And if that happens to top guys, the midcard guys are just happy to be on the show and get the payday. Maybe they also get a spotlight piece of business thrown their way if booking plans warrant it.

    I'm not justifying WWE's booking practices, mind you. Just pointing out that no WrestleMania is ever perfect on paper.




And I'm not saying this is a new problem, either. But I find it especially galling considering Jericho's limited availability.

(edited by Tenken347 on 14.3.13 1929)
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by John Orquiola

    Off the top of my head, famous "thrown together wastes of main event talent" in the past include:

    Stone Cold vs. Scott Hall at WrestleMania 18
    Batista vs. Umaga at WrestleMania 24
    Randy Orton vs. Kane last year at 28


No one on that list is a brand-new gimmick who hasn't wrestled a match on TV yet and then gets a spot on the biggest show of the year. What does Mania go for these days anyhow? 60 bucks? Wrestlemania is not the show to have half the audience scratching their heads asking who the hell is this goof? At least if it was Zach Ryder they'd know who the goof was.

This is the equivalent of pulling someone right out of Triple A and putting them in the World Series. It does Curtis no favours; the pressure on him would be enormous. Then add in the fact that some deserving guys are going to be shut out completely, or, like Cesaro, probably one of the five best workers they have now, will be wrestling on Youtube while this guy, pardon the expression, waltzes in and gets gifted a spot having earned nothing...I dunno. It irks me. Even the guys in 3MB are more deserving.



    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Having said that, the more I think about Chris Jericho vs. Fandango, the more I warm to the idea. For the undercard of WrestleMania 29, this could be a sleeper showstealer.


What are you basing this on? I've seen a handful of Johnny Curtis matches; he's no great shakes as a worker. There is nothing here to suggest a surprise classic beyond the admittedly well-founded presumption that anything with Jericho will be good. But this would be him picking up the 7-10 split of 7-10 splits, and...gosh, maybe this is one time he shouldn't try to pull the bunny out of the hat. Maybe his confidence he can make anything good has gone too far. I'm just going to assume, this being Jericho, he's trolling us again because this is a colossally stupid idea.






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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.74
Watch NXT: Redemption. Curtis rapidly developed into a worthwhile worker and personality.
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