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#501 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.90
    Originally posted by Mayhem
      Originally posted by Kevintripod
      ESPN.com writes that a source close to the local coroner's exam, the body was virtually "liquefied."


    I, too, read that article. I'm no expert in the decomposition of human bodies, but I have a hard time comprehending how a body becomes "liquified".

Think of it like a Thanksgiving Turkey. It's not just the outside heat that cooks it, but the warming baste inside the caucus as well.

"Boiling in it's own juices" for lack of a better term.

And since no one found the body until about a day after his suicide, Benoit's own bodily fluids (blood, sweat, urine, and even semen) boiled his inner body to almost a liquefied state.



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#506 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.25
Watching this play out in the newspapers, TV and the Internet, I can't even imagine the pain and suffering that the relatives of the deceased are going through. I can only hope that the tox report comes back ASAP and that all of this is cleared up as best as possible and the families can go on grieving in peace.

I feel so awful for Nancy's family as they must be devastated that their son-in-law could do such a thing as they lost their daughter and grandson all in one phone call.

But I feel even worse for the Benoit's as they will have to live with the fact that their son commmitted murder and killed their grandson and he will forever be remembered that way.

I hope this all ends soon.



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    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Originally posted by Whattaburger
      CAPITAL LETTERS?? I think we need to get someone on the Justin Shapiro 'roid rage case!!!


    W. My physical address is 5615 6th Avenue. Pittsburgh, PA. 15312.



Shapiro, FTW.

    Originally posted by Wpob
    Watching this play out in the newspapers, TV and the Internet, I can't even imagine the pain and suffering that the relatives of the deceased are going through. I can only hope that the tox report comes back ASAP and that all of this is cleared up as best as possible and the families can go on grieving in peace.

    I feel so awful for Nancy's family as they must be devastated that their son-in-law could do such a thing as they lost their daughter and grandson all in one phone call.

    But I feel even worse for the Benoit's as they will have to live with the fact that their son commmitted murder and killed their grandson and he will forever be remembered that way.

    I hope this all ends soon.


Agree completely.

I think the facts have all been laid out and everything is clear, save for the grizzly details and I for one don't really care about them anymore.

It's a tragic story and I think a lot of people, not just here but elsewhere, have forgotten that there are relatives and children left behind by those who died. Not that I think they're reading every message board and constantly refreshing wrestlingobserver.com for more info, but at this point there really isn't anything new to talk about in regards to case specifics.



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#509 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88


Of course not.

It needs to be pointed out that The Sun is hardly a bastion of journalistic integrity. As such, they're using statements that are intentionally vague to fit a conclusion that they've reached without any evidence. For example, the hold in question that's been referred to isn't identified specifically as the Crippler Crossface. This is The Sun using Tom Smykowski's patented "Jump to Conclusions" mat to make a story that isn't really there.

Nevermind the fact that the Crippler Crossface isn't a choke hold.

I'll grant you that it IS disturbing in the sense that Benoit might have used another hold he used in a wrestling match to kill his son.

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#510 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.07
This came from Dave Meltzer

The Sun is just reposting it.
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#511 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.88
    Originally posted by Galidor
    This came from Dave Meltzer

    The Sun is just reposting it.



And Meltzer wrote specifically that it was the Crossface?
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#512 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.05
The Crossface is a neckcrank that can cause a lot of pain and possibly some neck damage. While it is applicable in submission wrestling (from the omoplata position for example), nobody is going to use it to murder someone.

Has journalism always been this bad? Many media seem to have their stories already written when events occur or oversensationalize (look at weather reporting regarding hurricane forecasting). Is the fourth estate trying to inform the citizenry or sell advertising.
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#513 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.62
Believe it or not, the crossface story actually is in the Observer. Well, sort of. It says he police's belief is that Daniel was killed with "something approximating the crippler crossface," because they were perplexed by the bruising on Daniel since it wasn't consistent with choking someone with your hands, whereas the bruising on Daniel was on his arm and face. Then someone saw footage of Benoit doing the crossface and realized the bruising patterns matched the application of the hold.

But "the police don't believe, because of the size difference, that the hold was applied exactly as it would be in a pro wrestling match." And once you make that distinction, I think you've gotten away from the idea that Benoit actually killed his son with the crossface; strangulation from above and behind him doesn't literally mean he put him in the crossface.

"The reason [police] are publicly calling it a choke hold in every media interview is because they believe it's already a big enough circus around this case without the media jumping on the usage of a wrestling term to describe how he killed his son." Well, so much for that.

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#514 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
More questions arise:
-Does the "liquification" of Benoit's body hinder the progress of toxicology reports?



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#515 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.00
As said earlier, it's the brain which was described as "liquified", not the whole body. Toxicology would be unaffected, as you don't necessarily need the brain to test for the presence of harmful chemicals. But the odds of getting a satisfactory answer to the brain injury question are pretty slim.



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#516 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.66
    Originally posted by Quezzy
    "This might be hard for non-wrestling fans to understand, but to those who loved Chris Benoit's work, his grisly double-killing and suicide was as shocking as if Peyton Manning or Tim Duncan or Derek Jeter had committed the same acts."


    I understand what the writer is trying to say. All the wrestling fans know what kind of guy Benoit was and the non-wrestling fans probably think we are just like these cult followers who are saying nice things about him just because we are fans and you can't express enough how out of character this was for Benoit. That being said, I don't think I would bring Manning, Duncan, or Jeter's name into a story like this, even for comparison sake.


I don't have a problem with this comparison at all.
I compared him to Cal Ripken on a board full on non-wrestling fans to get across the point of his reputation was hard-working, consistent, no-nonsense, and respected by co-workers, fans, and opponents.
This guy (along with Kurt Angle) caused fans to spontaneously rise to their feet and give his performance a standing ovation at the Royal Rumble. This was based on in-ring performance alone. He never had to pick up a microphone and yell out a catchphrase or the name of the city. You don't see post-match standing ovations often-if ever- in pro wrestling.
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#517 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
Especially after you lose, even!

and double-especially after you tap out.
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#518 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by WON
    Either Saturday night, or early Sunday morning, Benoit killed himself. He used the lat pulldown machine in his basement home gym, took off the bar, put a cloth around his neck, and then tied the steel cord around his neck. He stuck a pin in a heavy amount of weight, far more than his own bodyweight, and somehow or other, used his arms and the jumping of his bodyweight down to pull more than his weight down to where he hooked his legs around a heavy dumbbell (which was on the ground underneath him as he was hanging), which would have been enough weight to keep him down. He then would have likely spread his legs, and without the weight of the dumbbell, due to the gravity imbalance, the heavy stack of weight flew down, lifting him off the ground into the air, and hanging him to death.

AJ Soprano called. He thinks that's way too convoluted.
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#519 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.02
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/6982280

Article about the health coverage in the WWE and getting Congress involved in investigation. This is interesting



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#520 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.47
This is on the Observer site, ESPN has something similar on it's as well ...

    Originally posted by The Observer
    A Fox News Channel report said that records obtained by investigators show that between May 2006 and May 2007, Dr. Phil Astin prescribed Chris Benoit "a ten month supply of steroids" every three to four weeks. The report stated that every three to four weeks, Benoit would get a new ten-month supply.



If true this is just insane. How was he able to keep the cool, calm demeener everyone talked about and how the hell was he passing any kind of test?

This is one of the things Vince had to fear the most. Maybe these amounts are more common among this sort of crowd than I think. I sure wouldn't want to be this doctor.





(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 2.7.07 1727)


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