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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.67
This movie is based off the book "Ring of Hell" and is going to be called Crossface (sports.yahoo.com) .

While his life could make for an interesting story the movie is going to end on a terrible note, I'll be shocked if it isn't a straight to DVD job. I know I thumbed through one Chris Benoit book before, I'm not sure if it was this one or not, but there wasn't really anything to it. I guess a lot of that is going to depend on the budget, crew and cast.

Making a movie about Benoit destroying his body and turning his brain into mush to get to the top of his trade in his obsessive pursuit is one thing. I just don't see them not going all the way to the gruesome finish and maybe you have to but people don't usually like movies that end that way either.

The name Crossface makes for an awesome title, but it gets a little creepy when you consider how he applied it the very last time.

This is still a long way off, so it might fall apart, but it seems like there are only two ways this thing can go and that is really good or just train wreck bad.





(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 4.12.11 1251)
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I think a movie could work if it was more focused on the aftermath of that terrible weekend, as his co-workers and former friends try to make sense of the situation amid a media shitstorm. And then maybe from there you could show a number of flashback sequences detailing major turning points in Benoit's life -- in the ring, his family, his deterioration, etc.

People may ask what actor would be cast to play Benoit, but I'm more intrigued by who would play Vinnie Mac...
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I'm not sure there is really an audience for a movie of this. I agree with BigDaddyLoco about it being a straight to DVD job or perhaps a TV movie.

As for casting - how about Dennis Farina as Vince? I can't imagine anyone but Kevin Weisman as Benoit. I find it hard watching the guy in anything without expecting a crossface or diving headbutt on someone.
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I will not be watching this. It's hard enough to enjoy Benoit matches.



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Seconding Weisman.

This could be a really strong peice of film if done right, a cheap The Wrestler knockoff if done poorly, or utter shit. Haven't read, nor even knew of the existence of any books relating to Benoit's murder/suicide, so it could depend on how sensationalistic the source material is.



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#6 Posted on
    Originally posted by Super 7-Up
    I'm more intrigued by who would play Vinnie Mac...



Alec Baldwin and Mel Kiper have the hair for the part.





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    Originally posted by Kevintripod
      Originally posted by Super 7-Up
      I'm more intrigued by who would play Vinnie Mac...


    Alec Baldwin and Mel Kiper have the hair for the part.


aw, I bet anyone could just get the Hair from vince. Or at least from where he gets it from.

My Benoit choices - Luke Wilson, maybe. Shawn Ashmore,



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Golden Globe Nominee Scott Caan has the extensive wrestling background and inside knowledge of World Championship Wrestling thanks to his work in "Ready To Rumble". He's also got the same general height profile as Benoit, and I wouldn't be surprised if his father fought Kevin Sullivan in a bathroom in the '70s or '80s.
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I just don't see how this is a "movie".

There aren't any heroes. Theres no arc at all. No drama. No ending. Chris wasn't charismatic or funny and had zero crossover outside of wrestling.

Benoit's story is pretty unremarkable, save for the last two days of his life. And thats not a movie - thats a news article.

Pardon the obvious Darren Aronofsky train of thought here, but this tale would play out a lot like 'Requiem for a Dream', where everything sucks in the end. Problem is, audiences can accept and embrace and have "fun" with drugs and drug addicts. Child killers, not so much.

Mark my words, this thing won't ever see the light of day.

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    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    I will not be watching this. It's hard enough to enjoy Benoit matches.

Of all the reasons this movie shouldn't be made, I think this is pretty far down the list.

Just for a little perspective here, they made direct-to-video films about Ed Gein, fellow Waterloo-ite...like Michelle Bachmann ;)...John Wayne Gacy, and the ever-so-charming Ted Bundy. Also, Laura Prepon starred as Karla Homolka. Don't know the average American's familiarity with that story, but Karla was the wife of Canada's most notorious murderer/rapist Paul Bernardo. Karla drugged her own sister so Paul could rape her, did so more than once, and her sister eventually vomited and died during a bad reaction. She also actively encouraged his rape spree (eighteen known victims between 1987 and 1990), and helped him abduct, rape, and murder two teenage girls. This is all vivid in my mind because it happened in my hometown and it absolutely terrified folks. Anywho, I mention all this to simply illustrate that compared to these people, Chris Benoit was a huge celebrity and perhaps even is at least a slightly more sympathetic figure. So I wouldn't reject out-of-hand the idea this thing could be made.



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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    Laura Prepon starred as Karla Homolka. Don't know the average American's familiarity with that story, but Karla was the wife of Canada's most notorious murderer/rapist Paul Bernardo. Karla drugged her own sister so Paul could rape her, did so more than once, and her sister eventually vomited and died during a bad reaction. She also actively encouraged his rape spree (eighteen known victims between 1987 and 1990), and helped him abduct, rape, and murder two teenage girls. This is all vivid in my mind because it happened in my hometown and it absolutely terrified folks.



I've read ALOT of true crime books, and none have ever shocked me nearly as much as the one on the Karla/Paul Bernardo murders. Just absolutely horrifying what the both of them did. They are basically Canada's version of Ted Bundy. HMD is almost just scratching the surface describing the things they did.





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    Originally posted by I Breastfeed John Madden
    There aren't any heroes. Theres no arc at all. No drama. No ending. Chris wasn't charismatic or funny and had zero crossover outside of wrestling.


Clearly, you never watched the episode of Popular Mechanics for Kids in which Mr. Benoit taught Tyler Kyte how to wrestle.



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

    I just don't see them not going all the way to the gruesome finish and maybe you have to but people don't usually like movies that end that way either.


    (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 4.12.11 1251)


Eric Roberts would disagree.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086355/awards

As would Hillary Swank.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0171804/awards

If movies about a drug addled "manager" to a Playmate, and a cross dressing woman can win big awards, and have critical success, so can this, IF DONE CORRECTLY.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.50
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco

      I just don't see them not going all the way to the gruesome finish and maybe you have to but people don't usually like movies that end that way either.


      (edited by BigDaddyLoco on 4.12.11 1251)


    Eric Roberts would disagree.
    http://www.imdb.com/​title/​tt0086355/​awards

    As would Hillary Swank.
    http://www.imdb.com/​title/​tt0171804/​awards

    If movies about a drug addled "manager" to a Playmate, and a cross dressing woman can win big awards, and have critical success, so can this, IF DONE CORRECTLY.


Er...I think I see your point about the former, but it kind of sounds like you were just comparing being transgender to killing one's child, and I really don't think you meant that.

And, anyway, while the Swank movie had a lot of brutality in it, ultimately the main character was likable, was the victim rather than the perpetrator, so that's a big difference.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
Oh Christ, I didn't mean for it to be compared in that way! Sorry if it seemed that way. I was more thinking along the lines of both movies ended with the senseless deaths of two people.

But, if they tell the story from Nancy's POV, it might work a little better.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.96
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    Oh Christ, I didn't mean for it to be compared in that way! Sorry if it seemed that way. I was more thinking along the lines of both movies ended with the senseless deaths of two people.

    But, if they tell the story from Nancy's POV, it might work a little better.


Which reminds me once again that I wanted to ask if they can even make this movie.
Wouldn't WWE be able to block everything dealing with the wrestling side of things since they own ECW/WCW/WWE rights.
That would make it a totally different story if they cannot have that.

A book might get away with it more easily than a movie?
I'm not sure but I bet someone else knows.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.50
    Originally posted by dMp


    Which reminds me once again that I wanted to ask if they can even make this movie.
    Wouldn't WWE be able to block everything dealing with the wrestling side of things since they own ECW/WCW/WWE rights.
    That would make it a totally different story if they cannot have that.


Well, WWE would certainly be able to stop them from using any actual footage of Benoit wrestling in those feds. But I assume we're talking about a scripted film, not a documentary. I don't think WWE could stop them from recreating the matches with their actors. They might be able to stop them from using specific scripts and possibly specific booking/choreography of matches, but they couldn't stop them from having the actor playing Benoit and, say, the actor playing Eddie do a match.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by dMp


      Which reminds me once again that I wanted to ask if they can even make this movie.
      Wouldn't WWE be able to block everything dealing with the wrestling side of things since they own ECW/WCW/WWE rights.
      That would make it a totally different story if they cannot have that.


    Well, WWE would certainly be able to stop them from using any actual footage of Benoit wrestling in those feds. But I assume we're talking about a scripted film, not a documentary. I don't think WWE could stop them from recreating the matches with their actors. They might be able to stop them from using specific scripts and possibly specific booking/choreography of matches, but they couldn't stop them from having the actor playing Benoit and, say, the actor playing Eddie do a match.


You're saying if the actor playing Eddie hit a springboard tope or the actor playing Benoit did rolling germans Vince'd call his lawyer?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.49
    Originally posted by CEOIII
      Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon


      Well, WWE would certainly be able to stop them from using any actual footage of Benoit wrestling in those feds. But I assume we're talking about a scripted film, not a documentary. I don't think WWE could stop them from recreating the matches with their actors. They might be able to stop them from using specific scripts and possibly specific booking/choreography of matches, but they couldn't stop them from having the actor playing Benoit and, say, the actor playing Eddie do a match.


    You're saying if the actor playing Eddie hit a springboard tope or the actor playing Benoit did rolling germans Vince'd call his lawyer?


No. Well, Vince will probably speak to a lawyer in general about what they can and can't do about this movie, but, no I don't think they could assert any rights over a common wrestling move like that. But they MIGHT have an argument that recreating an entire match or unique and notable parts of a match accurately could infringe on their intellectual property. I don't know if there's ever been a case about that.
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