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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
Apparently, the Chargers have decided that it's time to start all over in negotiations with Phillip Rivers and his agent. http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2650862

I really think that this is a good thing for the Chargers. Rivers wasn't going to be the answer and probably was a downgrade from Brees. If Brees knows that he is the starter, I really expect big things from him.

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But Brees was the starter last year, and he didn't do a thing... this team needs a clear gameplan and they need to stick to it. The Chargers haven't formed a group identity (read: They have no one stepping up to lead the team) so the only identity that they have is "Worst Team in the NFL". It's a self-fullfilling prophecy. You are as good as you think you are.

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Of course, they'd have been in the playoffs last year if the played in the AFC North

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(edited by Jaguar on 9.8.04 1702)


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    Originally posted by bash91
    I really think that this is a good thing for the Chargers.


This cannot be a good thing. If you cant sign your number one pick you have problems. The Chargers need to get their act together, and it starts by getting personnel in there to get them out of the cellar. The only way I can see this as a good thing if you want the Chargers to move to LA.



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If Brees is the QB this season, its a safe bet the Chargers will have a Top 5 pick. If you have a low opinion of the Giants this season, that means the Chargers will have two Top 5 picks in next year's NFL Draft. If they can't sign 1 this year, what confidence would you have that they could come up with the signing bonuses for 2 top picks?



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They could sign him, but he's being an ass.

I'm sorry, we didn't sign manning at #1 because we didn't want to pay #1 money. Why does he think he should get the same deal that Manning is getting?



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.39
    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    They could sign him, but he's being an ass.

    I'm sorry, we didn't sign manning at #1 because we didn't want to pay #1 money. Why does he think he should get the same deal that Manning is getting?


Because he's a money grabbing asshat?

Wasn't the Manning problem that he refused to play for the Chargers point blank? I hadn't thought it was a simple matter of money.

I think espn were saying Rivers was offered $40m over 6 years give or take which strikes me as a pretty dmaned fine offer though. The guys not exactly done anything to prove himself so you'd think he'd be smart enough to take the money and then worry about renegotiating at the end of a year or two. I can't believe he's arrogant enough that he wouldn't want to be tied to a long contract, but then the alternative is he thinks hes worth more than $6m+ a year I suppose.

On the pther side of things, where the heck does Rivers go from here? I can't think of (m)any teams that haven't got their starting QB locked for next year.

    Originally posted by Jag
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That would be 'fullfilling' (fulfilling) no?



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Interesting what ESPN Radio is reporting on this. Among the dollar amont the Chargers are including in their total is a $5 Million Bonus for winning 4 MVPs and 4 Super Bowls in the first 5 years of the contract.



Riiiiight!



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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    Interesting what ESPN Radio is reporting on this. Among the dollar amont the Chargers are including in their total is a $5 Million Bonus for winning 4 MVPs and 4 Super Bowls in the first 5 years of the contract.


A lot of these contract are just about the guys (and their agents) getting to feel better about their tiny dicks. I read where Fitzgerald's "$60 million" contract has only $40.4 million of value not tied to bonuses, PLUS the final year of the deal is $12.5 million, which will most assuredly be renegotiated (though with the Cards you never know, I guess), so Fitzgerald's "real" contract is more like 5 yr/$28 million.



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Well, I'll have to rummage through the dumpster of my memory, but I seem to remember hearing about concerns about paying Manning before he decided he didn't want to play here.

I don't think anyone in their right mind would want to play here, but that's another story entirely

Good God, can we NOT get burned by a freaking QB? You would think that Rivers and his agent would be sensitive to the Leaf situation here, but apparently not.



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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    Interesting what ESPN Radio is reporting on this. Among the dollar amont the Chargers are including in their total is a $5 Million Bonus for winning 4 MVPs and 4 Super Bowls in the first 5 years of the contract.



    Riiiiight!


I'll pay him $5 million myself if they win 4 Super Bowls within the first 5 years of the contract ...

Ah, hell, go ahead and make it $10 million ...



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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    You would think that Rivers and his agent would be sensitive to the Leaf situation here, but apparently not.


It's not Philip Rivers' (or his agent's) fault that the Leaf thing was such a huge disaster andymore than it was Carson Palmer's fault that Akili Smith and David Klingler sucked for the Bengals or Joey Harrington's fault that Andre Ware was a bust in Detroit. Be bad, draft a QB high, pay the price. That's how it goes.



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Is there a precedent with this tactic that Rivers & his agent are pulling?

The Chargers said that from now on, the offer they pulled off the table will only be lower and lower in amount the next time(s) it appears on the table.





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Well, he is really the number one overall pick. He may have been taken fourth, but he is the one they wanted, and the one they ended up with. So, pay him number one money and shut the hell up. OR, alienate your "fan base" even further by taking a hardline approach and watch the faithfull disappear.



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    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    Interesting what ESPN Radio is reporting on this. Among the dollar amont the Chargers are including in their total is a $5 Million Bonus for winning 4 MVPs and 4 Super Bowls in the first 5 years of the contract.



    Riiiiight!


Put your money where your mouth is. Sexton says Rivers is worth #1 money. If Sexton really believes that Rivers is one of the best QBs in the draft, then he shouldn't be afraid of having most of his contract being tied up in bonuses.

But hey, if you're not so sure that you're going to set the world on fire (or even START) as a rookie QB, then why the hell do you deserve to be paid that much?

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Ray Ratto has an interesting perspective on this Chargers-Rivers mess.

Mannings made right move all along

Eli and his family had several reasons to smile after the draft-day trade.
And now, with the Chargers playing hardball with the guy they said they'd rather have anyway, and with an offer that is less than the one Manning signed with the Giants … well, file this under, "Things That Make You Go Hmmm …"

No, strike that. File this one under, "I Told You Morons I Knew What I Was Doing, You Didn't Believe Me, And Now My Kid Is In Camp And The Other Kid Is At Home Wishing He Had Options," by Archie Manning, as told to Mel Kiper.

There are few things better than "I told you so". Intelligence. Dignity. Character. Wealth and sex, sure. And leverage, too, because it's far rarer than the others, and almost nonexistent in the NFL.


(edited by JayJayDean on 11.8.04 1052)

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