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Illinois 28, Ohio State 21.

There are only two unbeatens left now: Kansas and Hawaii.

We get to see how everyone's losses stack up among the (currently) seven one-loss teams in the BCS conference. Great.

Here are the one-loss teams as of this minute.

Ohio State
Missouri (who plays Kansas)
Boston College
West Virginia
Oregon
Arizona State
LSU



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Barring Kansas doing the unthinkable and running the table it looks like Oregon vs. LSU is very possible. If you are another 1 loss team hoping to knock out LSU, considering Oregon plays a pedestrian schedule the remainder of the season, then you need to start rooting against Tennessee. If Tennessee loses, that opens the door for Florida or Georgia, I'm not sure how multi-team SEC divisional tie-breakers where they all are 1-1 against each other work, to face LSU. Florida can beat them on a neutral field, and Georgia could beat them in Atlanta. Tennessee would get crushed by LSU in the same manner that they were crushed by Cal, Florida and Alabama.
Speaking of Alabama, how the hell are things going for Saban The Great? Forget the next Bear, he couldn't even carry Gene Stallings hat.
The Ohio State loss eliminates the possibility of the Rose Bowl getting cute and putting a 4-loss Michigan in the Rose Bowl.
Guessing on the outcome of a few games, but here are possible BCS match-ups, and they appear better then they did a few weeks ago:
Title Game: Oregon vs. LSU
Sugar Bowl: Texas vs. Hawaii/Boise State(they are going to desperately need to sell seats, especially if it is Hawaii. Texas travels and has money to spend on Bourbon Street. Remember, except for the title game, the only real criteria is being eligible and putting butts in the seats.)
Rose Bowl: Ohio State vs. 2-loss USC (USC loses again, reshuffle the deck).
Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma vs. Georgia. Interesting question is if Oklahoma is in the Fiesta instead of the BCS Title game and Georgia gets taken by the Sugar Bowl to replace LSU, does the Fiesta Bowl schedule an Oklahoma vs. Texas rematch? Would sell out the building and both teams would travel for that game.
Orange Bowl: Virginia Tech vs. West Virginia. Both teams will travel to warm weather.
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Michigan going into the Rose Bowl after that opening loss to Appalachian State would have been a mockery. Hell, a USC/Michigan Rose Bowl after each had their own version of "Worst Loss of the Century Not Involving Notre Dame" would have been a travesty. Glad to see at least one of those teams is out of the picture for now.

Speaking of Notre Dame, there's no way Charlie Weis survives the end of the season. Three Patriots Super Bowls or not, there's no way he gets retained after a 1-9 start. Especially after those brutal losses to Navy and Air Force. Yeesh!




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I think it amazingly was Cowherd who said it best. Notre Dame having a down year is one thing. You can kinda blame it on recruiting, but not really. To be THIS bad this quickly....there's a hell of a lot more wrong there than people are admitting. Either their scouting sucks horribly or Weiss and his staff can't coach worth a damn.

And It's False, you do realize Michigan is still very much in it for the Rose Bowl right? They have the same conference record as Ohio State and those teams play each other to decide who gets to go most likely.

Damnit, FSU gets something going, looks decent early and then bam Weatherford gets hurt, Lee can't play cause he doens't like going to class and we get a freshman who gets us a great comeback lead and promptly falls apart and it's a blowout loss. Oh well, injuries happen I guess. Not going to class....yeah that's different.
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    Originally posted by It's False
    Michigan going into the Rose Bowl after that opening loss to Appalachian State would have been a mockery. Hell, a USC/Michigan Rose Bowl after each had their own version of "Worst Loss of the Century Not Involving Notre Dame" would have been a travesty. Glad to see at least one of those teams is out of the picture for now.

    Speaking of Notre Dame, there's no way Charlie Weis survives the end of the season. Three Patriots Super Bowls or not, there's no way he gets retained after a 1-9 start. Especially after those brutal losses to Navy and Air Force. Yeesh!






Nebraska and Miami might be in competition for worst loss of the century as well. Has any team ever given up over 70 then hung over 70 on someone the next week before? Nice of Miami to have the worst shutout loss in Orange Bowl history in their finale there.
The root problem of Notre Dame: They have no core offensive philosophy. They can't run the ball. The can't pass the ball. They can't run block. They can't pass block. They need to figure out 1 thing that they can do, focus on that, then expand upon that. This is now the Weis who had the play-calling duties removed from him with the Jets under Parcells. Perhaps that QB he had in New England had more to do with Weis being a success than the other way around. As for Notre Dame dumping Weis after this season: Better chance of a playoff being developed before the end of this season than that. Notre Dame likes to CASH 8 figure checks, not write them out. Unless some NFL team came knocking on the door and they waived the buyout fee for Weis to leave, Weis is there through at least the '09 season. They play like this next season, he's in real trouble. They don't develop back into at least an 8-9 win team by '09, he might be gone, as the buyout will be less by then.
Have to love Lloyd Carr's game management skills: Break a 90+ yard pass to get it to 10 early in the 4th quarter. Instead of going for 2, kick the extra point, thus, when you get a touchdown later, you only cut it to 2 and Wisconsin is then able to get a touchdown with a lead rather than panicking because the game has been tied.
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Let's not forget about Missouri. They only have one loss, and that was to Oklahoma on the road in a game they were winning after three quarters (and ended up losing only by 10). I think Mizzou would be very tough against the Sooners in a rematch, provided Mizzou can get by Kansas. If the Tigers can 'avenge' their defeat by winning the Big 12, they have a stronger case than anyone.
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At least McFadden didn't lock up the Heisman today in Knoxville ... Go Vols!
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You know parity is supposedly a good thing but not when it taints a legend. I may dislike the Miami program, certainly I hated their game tonight against Virginia, but the Orange Bowl is a hallowed stadium. Farewell.

BC shouldn't have lost to Maryland like that. I was a BC defender ever since people started questioning them, but there is no way they should've lost to Maryland like that. Late game "rally" or no, pathetic.

So everyone tonight has been going "LSU or Oregon, #1?" I'll grant that Kansas' game hadn't finished yet, but in my mind there is no debate. Kansas is number one in the country, not a LSU team that will give other teams hope in the first half or an Oregon team that has not beaten anyone of consequence and has a loss. People keep talking about the weakness of Kansas' schedule, but you know what? Here are the facts:

-They are "winning" a BCS conference.
A good BCS conference, at that. The Big 12 are unquestionably better than the Big East, better than the Big 10 this year, and in my mind better than the ACC this year. I would pit Okie State against Arizona State, Cal, USC, NC State, Miami, etc etc any day of the week.

-They are undefeated, in said BCS conference.
Being undefeated counts for a lot in my mind, and when you do it in a BCS conference? Automatic #1 or 2 consideration. We were so quick to keep Ohio State at #1 despite the Big 10 being absolutely dreadful this year, why do we question the Big 12 and Kansas?

-LSU doesn't deserve to leap Kansas.
All LSU is vaunted upon is defense. Yet they have had close games with almost all their 'notable' opponents all year, lost an overtime game to a Kentucky team that is not a national contender and would, in my mind, lose to Okie State. While I agree the SEC hosts the best teams overall as a conference, that does not mean that a team in the SEC is nigh invulnerable. If a team has one or two losses, and it's a BCS conference (which the SEC is), then they should be automatically ranked lower than a fellow BCS conference team who is undefeated. Period.

-Oregon is the benefactor of media hype.
The Pac-10, thanks to the blatant hyperbole passed as "fact" given to USC's hype, is enjoying a moment of media favoritism. Yet USC and Cal have shown they were both the recipients of media bias, and undeservingly so. USC and Cal were overrated, especially in the preseason. But because of those ratings and the ensuing 'marketing' bias that lingers, they still stick around in the polls. Cal by all rights should have beaten USC, but luck turns on them. Illinois by all rights should've beaten Michigan, but the same happened to them. Then we look to whom the Pac-10 teams beaten in non-conference; A pathetic Michigan club? The free-falling Nebraska Cornhuskers? The first ever 9-loss Notre Dame? They are beating each other up, yet when the ACC or Big 10 does it that is apparently reflective of a "poor conference". I don't disagree with that, but the Pac-10 is suffering from the same syndrome. So just because ESPN wants to air Pac-10 games and is mounting an on-air campaign by overly praising them to get their games, we should believe the Pac-10 is number two in conferences? No. Oregon has a loss. They have beaten no one of consequence. If we are going to knock Kansas' schedule, so should we knock Oregon's. And who ends up undefeated between the two? Kansas.

Kansas is #1. Anything else is unthinking pandering to media and popular bias. Well, before I get into the meat of my actual rant, I have to say it was nice seeing two teams this week get wins despite some of the most atrocious and one-sided officiating since the Michigan-Nebraska Alamo Bowl and the NBA Finals the Miami Heat won: the New England Patriots and the Georgia Bulldogs.

Now. Even a hilarious Buckeye loss is not a salve for today. I'm just worn out dealing with Lloyd Carr and his supporters. I'm done dealing with them, with this. On the brink of 4 losses. I'm SICK of this. No excuse can be given for what happened out there today other than horrible, bad, poor, indefensibly bad coaching. "Oh, Henne had to be pulled." Show me the injury report that says he was going to die out there. "Oh, Hart didn't play." That wasn't his choice. He stated, definitively, that these were the last two games of his Michigan career and he was going to play them. This is also why the 'no Henne' excuse doesn't work; all signs point towards them not playing being Carr holding them out for Ohio State. Even if this wasn't the overarching reason, the fact is that Mike Hart wanted, needed to play. The coaching kept him out. "You can't trust freshmen to win like that on the road." Really? Because I remember a freshman Henne and Hart beating Wisconsin. Because I do believe I've been watching freshmen light it up in the SEC and Pac-10 recently, and on the road I might add. The only factor there is...oh, yes, GOOD COACHING. A trait Lloyd Carr lacks in spades.

I feel sorry for Chad Henne. The guy has talent and potential in volume, but coming to a Lloyd Carr team has left him underdeveloped. If he hasn't been fatally tainted by inept training, I fully expect him to bloom in the NFL. I feel sorry for Mike Hart. The guy has a Heisman heart and ability, yet because he plays for a Lloyd Carr team he never had the stats to show it to voters. I feel sorry for both of them, they are on the cusp of never having beaten Ohio State in their entire careers. All because of Lloyd Carr, Wolverine killer. For three years now Michigan has become a national JOKE. A national EMBARASSMENT. We are not a national power. I defy one single Carr defender to rebutt that. I defy one single Carr defender to explain how a 5-loss season, a embarassing blowout in the Rose Bowl, and this season have been good for Michigan. As Mark Richt said when talking about his loss to UT, "There's no shame in losing. There is great shame in not competing." The reason why Ohio State losing is little solace to me is the fact that the loss ultimately means nothing. They played, hard, against Illinois. They lost. Oh well. They have a conference record (20 straight Big 10 wins) to hang their hat on, and the Big Game coming up in which they will be favored to win. They are still right on track for the Rose Bowl. Michigan under Lloyd Carr does not compete for anything. Carr has a sub-.500 bowl record, and has only beaten Tressel's Ohio State once in eight tries. That is not competing. That's laughable. We Michigan fans have often made jokes about John Cooper and his futility against us; we have now BECOME John Cooper's Ohio State. The Big 10 championship-deciding game should never be called a "default game" like it just was on Sportscenter. And I'm SICK of it.

I've been saying all year, I was saying in the preseason, Michigan has not been properly prepared, coached, or recruited (I mean for crying out loud, ILLINOIS is going to be out recruiting and maybe out performing Michigan for a while now) for modern college football. This is especially apparent on defense, the secondary specifically. The "8-game win streak" ESPN so loved touting was fool's gold. This team is horrid, and Lloyd Carr is the direct 100% cause of it. The fact that Michigan might end up winning the Big 10 next week is not an achievment so much as it would be an indictment on the rest of the Big 10. A win over Ohio State will salvage Michigan's season, but it should not and will not salvage Lloyd Carr's career.

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Here's what you are forgetting about Kansas:

1. Yes they are winning a BCS conference. A conference in which they have yet to play a single decent team. They will take on one in Missouri soon. They didn't have to play T Tech, Texas or OU this season. It's silly to just say they are winning the conference without taking this into account. I'm sure Duke could win the ACC if only they didn't have to play any of the other teams too. Doesn't automatically make them good.

2. I'm not so sure on the strength of the Big 12 like you are. Maybe, maybe not. Certainly haven't proven it in any way outside the conference yet. And it's nice you would pit Okie State against the top of the PAC 10(you'd be wrong btw), but why then put them against the bottom of the ACC? Did you mean Boston College, Virginia Tech and Clemson or were you just confused. And what's the difference between putting OSU against Miami or A&M against Miami? Seems kinda similar to me and we saw the latter happen.

3. Your LSU comments just don't make any sense to me. LSU actually played the hard teams in their conference. I wonder if they would still be undefeated had they been able to skip playing Kentucky, Florida, etc? And what is with your love for a mediocre Oklahoma State team? I mean really now.

4. Now Oregon I'll give you to a degree, but they are no media creation. Have you actually seen them play? I can't believe you would dismiss them so quickly if you had. I've seen them and Kansas many times this season and if they played I'd take Oregon in a heartbeat. No question.

Your logic is the same out of touch stuff we heard from the South Florida fans earlier this season. This isn't to say Kansas isn't legitimately good. Just that they haven't come close to proving it and thanks to a lucky schedule they won't have to until they play Missouri and likely OU, and even then how much credit do we give to those teams who also beat no one of worth outside the conference?

LSU is number one. Zero question. You can't tell me that them beating four top 25 teams and losing in overtime to another says they are less of a team than a Kansas group without a single top 25 game, much less win. Not a chance.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    1. Yes they are winning a BCS conference. A conference in which they have yet to play a single decent team. They will take on one in Missouri soon. They didn't have to play T Tech, Texas or OU this season. It's silly to just say they are winning the conference without taking this into account. I'm sure Duke could win the ACC if only they didn't have to play any of the other teams too. Doesn't automatically make them good.




None of the other two, LSU and Oregon, have played comparable non-conference teams. If we're going to give those two and Ohio State passes on their non-con schedule, then Kansas more than deserves the same. As for the conference...


    2. I'm not so sure on the strength of the Big 12 like you are. Maybe, maybe not. Certainly haven't proven it in any way outside the conference yet. And it's nice you would pit Okie State against the top of the PAC 10(you'd be wrong btw), but why then put them against the bottom of the ACC? Did you mean Boston College, Virginia Tech and Clemson or were you just confused. And what's the difference between putting OSU against Miami or A&M against Miami? Seems kinda similar to me and we saw the latter happen.




Look at the BCS conferences. The SEC has been a murderer's rows. Mississippi State has been wrecking havoc, Auburn can't beat South Florida at home but can go on the road against Florida and the like, Georgia is in the hunt for the SEC East but lost horribly to a Tennessee team that had dropped out of contention until just last week. The Pac-10 has been doing the same beating-each-other-up as the SEC, and without a single defining non-conference victory to shore their standing as a power conference. The reason why we think the SEC and the Pac 10 are light-years beyond everyone else is because of blatant media hype and bias. Okie State can score points. 4 of the top 6 scoring offenses are Big 12 offenses. You can't question that. They would absolutely compete with the top of the Pac 10, of the ACC, and would be in the SEC hunt the way things look there. The Big 12 is right there with the other two.


    3. Your LSU comments just don't make any sense to me. LSU actually played the hard teams in their conference. I wonder if they would still be undefeated had they been able to skip playing Kentucky, Florida, etc? And what is with your love for a mediocre Oklahoma State team? I mean really now.




I watched every LSU game that I could without a digital package. And they beat the supposed "hard" teams in the SEC...but lost to Kentucky. You can not sell Kentucky, even with a fringe Heisman candidate, as a good team. They are just as mediocre as Okie State. And why do I bring up the Pokes? Because they perform just like Kentucky, a beloved SEC used to prove the "strength" of that conference, only they get no credit for it because no one in the media wants to promote them or the Big 12.


    4. Now Oregon I'll give you to a degree, but they are no media creation. Have you actually seen them play? I can't believe you would dismiss them so quickly if you had. I've seen them and Kansas many times this season and if they played I'd take Oregon in a heartbeat. No question.


I watched their game against Michigan, against Cal, and against USC. They looked human against Cal and USC, their conference opponents. Now keep in mind, I am questioning the Pac 10 as the number two conference. I think it's the Big 12, considering their top teams have remained stable and relatively dominant in this year of chaos. The only blip has been Nebraska. Now while Oregon has looked human and beaten their top conference opponents by touchdown margins, Kansas has done so by two-score margins. I would take Kansas, in a heartbeat.


    Your logic is the same out of touch stuff we heard from the South Florida fans earlier this season. This isn't to say Kansas isn't legitimately good. Just that they haven't come close to proving it and thanks to a lucky schedule they won't have to until they play Missouri and likely OU, and even then how much credit do we give to those teams who also beat no one of worth outside the conference?

    LSU is number one. Zero question. You can't tell me that them beating four top 25 teams and losing in overtime to another says they are less of a team than a Kansas group without a single top 25 game, much less win. Not a chance.


Don't compare me to South Florida fans, please. I may be a bit off-kilter because Michigan's debacle over three years has been killing me, but I know my college football. Kansas is undefeated in a BCS conference that is not the Big East. That alone is enough to "prove it", outside of all the other questions which I have answered. Trust me, I was behind LSU as a number one until the Kentucky game. That just sold it for me. LSU is good, maybe great, and is definitely in one of the top two slots. But Kansas is just as good, if not better, and should absolutely be number one.



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LSU has at least played a Virginia Tech team that is in contention to win it's conference. Kansas has played not a single team with less than four losses, in or out of conference. How in the world do you say this is comparable?

It's nice that four of the top six scoring offenses are in the Big 12. But think for a second on how those numbers were achieved. Hawaii puts up a shit load of points too. Does that mean they can compete with anyone? Missouri puts up tons of points, but who have they played other than OU, and they lost that game. Kansas puts up tons of points, but again who have they played. If you don't play anyone decent, you can't pretend like your stats are comparable to an SEC team. That would be like saying the Texas Tech QB has been no doubt the best over the past several years just because whoever it was has put up the biggest numbers. It's a very, very flawed argument.

A 5-5 Okie State team is the same as 7-3 Kentucky? Please tell me you were just joking here. Please.

Again, sure the top Big 12 teams have been consistent, more so than the Pac 10. That's pretty easy when YOU DON"T PLAY ANYONE!!!! I can't stress this enough. You can't give me a win for Kansas that says anything about their national viability. Not one. This doesn't bother you at all? Should we just say any WAC team that goes undefeated is legit, without them having to actually prove it? That's what you're giving me here.

You're telling me that not only are the voters which may be media influenced wrong, but so are the computers. Has the media figured out how to fix those too?

No, there is no bias going on here. It's a simple, have you played anyone worth mentioning. LSU has. Time and time again. Kansas hasn't. Not one single weekend of the entire season.

Sure LSU lost a game in triple overtime. Are you telling me that you think Kansas, when faced with LSU's schedule during that time of:

Florida
Kentucky
Auburn
Alabama

not to mention earlier games against Virginia Tech and South Carolina, would be undefeated at this point? Or even have only one loss like LSU does? Really? And you would base this on what? Their struggles against the likes of Colorado, or maybe a Kansas State team that just got spanked by Nebraska?

I'm sorry, you can't just beat weak teams and expect everyone to buy into your greatness. Now sure if KU goes undefeated and beats Missouri and OU, ok then I can at least make a case they should be in the title game above say Oregon. i would go there. But I wouldn't give them any shot to win if it's against LSU. None.

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None? Literally zero? I am sorry, but in a year where Appalachian State beats Michigan, Stanford beats USC, etc., I am willing to give any team a puncher's chance against any team. And I would give Kansas more of a chance than that. LSU is probably as deserving of the #1 rank as anybody, but they are not some unbeatable super-team. They have flaws just as every team does this year (their offense and particularly their QB is pretty average from what I have seen). And LSU has struggled with the likes of Tulane and even Louisiana Tech last night before pulling away. If it does come down to LSU/Kansas, I would pick LSU too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that Kansas has no chance at all.



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    Originally posted by ges7184
    None? Literally zero? I am sorry, but in a year where Appalachian State beats Michigan, Stanford beats USC, etc., I am willing to give any team a puncher's chance against any team. And I would give Kansas more of a chance than that. LSU is probably as deserving of the #1 rank as anybody, but they are not some unbeatable super-team. They have flaws just as every team does this year (their offense and particularly their QB is pretty average from what I have seen). And LSU has struggled with the likes of Tulane and even Louisiana Tech last night before pulling away. If it does come down to LSU/Kansas, I would pick LSU too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that Kansas has no chance at all.





If LSU/Kansas was at the Orange or Fiesta Bowl, I'd give Kansas a puncher's chance. But, at the Superdome? That would be the upset of all upsets. That would be the type of game where once the game started to go in LSU's favor you could see the massacre develop. However, I still don't think Kansas is going to knock off the Missouri/Oklahoma double, so the point is moot. Now, Oklahoma should be rooting for Kansas against Missouri, as a rematch in the Big XII Title Game does Oklahoma no good, while knocking off an unbeaten Kansas could allow Oklahoma to leapfrog Oregon. And, on the darkhorse front, Missouri did benefit greatly with Illinois knocking off Ohio State, as it made that neutral field victory seem better. Still think Missouri needs LSU or Oregon to lose even if they knock off Kansas and Oklahoma. Of course, then the Fiesta could bring in a 1-loss West Virginia and try to spin the game as for a share of a disputed national title.
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Why is everyone so quick to drop an Ohio State team with one loss, to the only team in the country (Illinois) that has beaten TWO top-5 teams?

What's sad for the Illini, they lost one game where the winning touchdown was called back on a penalty (Iowa), another where the starting QB was knocked out of the game and still almost won (Missouri), and another where they definitely had a solid chance to win (Michigan).



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The Ducks haven't played anybody?

http://www.tellshowbcs.com/

Funny how Cal's thrashing of the Vols was left out of discussion when trashing the Pac 10's non conference schedule.

I love all the whining about the media hyping Oregon. Look, Oregon was not in the top 25 in the preseason rankings. Those rankings are by far the biggest barrier for one loss teams to make it to the top. Obviously Kansas wasn't even given a vote in the preseason rankings and that is exactly why they aren't #1 right now. But look at the SOS, Kansas is 83rd.
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    Originally posted by ges7184
    None? Literally zero? I am sorry, but in a year where Appalachian State beats Michigan, Stanford beats USC, etc., I am willing to give any team a puncher's chance against any team. And I would give Kansas more of a chance than that. LSU is probably as deserving of the #1 rank as anybody, but they are not some unbeatable super-team. They have flaws just as every team does this year (their offense and particularly their QB is pretty average from what I have seen). And LSU has struggled with the likes of Tulane and even Louisiana Tech last night before pulling away. If it does come down to LSU/Kansas, I would pick LSU too. But I wouldn't go so far as to say that Kansas has no chance at all.


This was kinda said already but I'll give my line of thinking. Giving LSU a month to rest up, and having to play them at HOME and at NIGHT? No, I really don't think Kansas would have any shot at all. Doesn't mean it couldn't happen, but it would shock me far more than Stanford/USC did.

I think the Ducks have played some good teams personally. I love that team and really hope we still get Oregon/LSU. I think we will get that game but the two biggest obstacles I see are:

1. LSU winning the SEC title game. I know they CAN win it, but it's asking a lot for them to keep this rolling.

2. Holding off the Big 12 champ. I don't think Kansas can win the Big 12, but I'm really not sold on OU or Missouri being so special they can stop KU either.

Though I will admit it would be kinda fun to have KU win it all just for the 200 gallons of Gatorade it would take to douse their coach and the attempts after to get him on their shoulders.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44

If Ohio State beats Michigan, why can't they play in the National Championship game?



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.69
If Ohio State beats Michigan, why can't they play in the National Championship game?

Because it will be LSU vs. LSU

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Since: 2.2.04
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    If Ohio State beats Michigan, why can't they play in the National Championship game?


Are you honestly asking, or just joking around? You can take your pick from the following:

1. They have played a very weak schedule, in a conference that's having a bad year.

2. If they beat Michigan they have the added credibility of being as good as App State.

3. The Big 12 is at least as strong a conference as the Big 10(stronger really) and their champ will likely have a minimum of one loss. Whoever that is trumps Ohio State.

4. Oregon and LSU, should they win out, have actually played good teams.

5. Do you remember last year's bowl season? Yeah, so do the voters. And the fans. Neither is willing to go there this season unless forced.

6. The whole "THE" Ohio State University thing. Seriously. Move this to number one.
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Since: 11.12.01
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.44

Again, their only loss was against the only team to beat two top five teams this season, and a team that now has an outside chance at a BCS game (Illinois).

So how does that make them worse than any of the other one-loss teams, except for the timing of their loss?




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