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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
Bleeding Cool article (bleedingcool.com) about the internal strife at DC between Editorial and Creators is very interesting. Word has been leaking for some time of all the problems at DC, with people quitting or getting fired off books (in the case of Gail Simone, rehired onto Batgirl two weeks after firing) and all the corporate and editorial edicts affecting the books.

I can say from my own experience reading The New 52 that outside of a handful of titles mentioned, The New 52 universe is a mess as a cohesive universe, riddled with problems. It got to the point months ago that I lost interest in the DC Universe as a whole and basically decided to just enjoy the handful of titles I really like and not care at all about the larger universe. Trinity War couldn't interest me less, for example. And if we want to look at the flagship superteam books, comparing Johns' Justice League to Hickman's Avengers is like comparing horse manure to ice cream.

I can also say that from what I've read of Marvel NOW, that Marvel is indeed "cool" again, if it ever did stop being cool. The Marvel NOW books I've read have just been stellar by and large, and indeed possess the "voices" of their respective creators. Meanwhile, though also messy and rife with its own inconsistencies, the Marvel NOW universe just seems like the better conceived universe. I mean, it's the same unwieldy ongoing continuity it always was but now that feels like a strength and virtue as opposed to the "new" DC universe that is being revealed as slapdash and ill-conceived overall.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
I feel like I've generally given Marvel a bad rap because of the X-men. There's an insane amount of books and characters that I just don't connect with at all.

That said, for superhero books (which are not my favorite at all), the non X-men titles are my favorite. Or at least have been my favorite that last year or so.

I am definitely fading on some new 52 titles, but I'm still reading more than I think I should be. The only ones left that are first reads for me are Animal Man/Swamp Thing.
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Wow, DC's such a mess. I'd think that such an established company would stick to a single creative team for the upcoming Trinity War. Or maybe not (e.g. WWE).

Does Perlmutter still actively run Marvel because it's hard for me to think Marvel has less micromanagement.

As for Marvel NOW, I'm meh on it. I liked Avengers Arena and Superior #1 but the rest of my reads are almost typical superhero stuff.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
oops. wrong thread.

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The aftermath of AVX has left me cold. Cap being a dick at the same time Tony is a dick and Scarlett Witch being a bitch who seems to be getting a giant pass is not going to endear me to the Avenger titles. So, all the books coming out holds no interest to me. Avengers Season One was good. XX being the all female X-Men team holds some interest and I hear X-Force is good as well as Hawkeye. Yet, they continue to shit all over Spiderman who is the reason I read Marvel, so fuck them.

I like Batman and I'll probably pick up Batgirl and Batwoman in trade. I think the rule of thumb is stick with the Bat Family while constantly yelling at DC via twitter, email or online, so they don't fire that staff. Johns on JLA seemed like a dream come true, but it has turned into a clusterfuck. Starting with Darkseid first is just a bad idea. You start with Starro, do the InJustice League then build to Darksied.

I think rebooting your entire universe is a colossal mistake. There is so much downside with no upside. Sure, you sell a shit ton of issue ones then what? They took creative teams in mid stream and told them to flush their stuff. Expect if your name was Morrison and Johns then you could do whatever you want while telling no one what you are working on while doing the new origins. Its madness. Did some books and characters need this, maybe, but not all of them. All of the stories being told could have been told without this mess. DC needs a real leader at the helm and someone who can walk into WB and say "Hey, we are the cash cow now, so how about some more cash for writers and advertising." And also someone who can reign in Morrison and Johns.

Right now, the indies are just killing it.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I think the rule of thumb is stick with the Bat Family while constantly yelling at DC via twitter, email or online, so they don't fire that staff. Johns on JLA seemed like a dream come true, but it has turned into a clusterfuck. Starting with Darkseid first is just a bad idea. You start with Starro, do the InJustice League then build to Darksied.

    I think rebooting your entire universe is a colossal mistake. There is so much downside with no upside. Sure, you sell a shit ton of issue ones then what? They took creative teams in mid stream and told them to flush their stuff. Expect if your name was Morrison and Johns then you could do whatever you want while telling no one what you are working on while doing the new origins. Its madness. Did some books and characters need this, maybe, but not all of them. All of the stories being told could have been told without this mess. DC needs a real leader at the helm and someone who can walk into WB and say "Hey, we are the cash cow now, so how about some more cash for writers and advertising." And also someone who can reign in Morrison and Johns.

    Right now, the indies are just killing it.


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.74

The quality and range of stuff at Image these days is pretty amazing. Probably best the company has been since they tried a b/w boom in the late 90s when larry marder was in charge.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
I'll back that DC statement, if I change it to "stick with Animal Man/Swamp Thing". there's still too much Bat Family titles. And my favorite is still Batwing anyway, especially now that he's back in Africa.

I guess I have to disagree with those Marvel Now comments too. While Uncanny Avengers and Avengers are pretty un-thrilling, I am enjoying All-New X-men, and I'm curious to see where it does. Captain America's complete departure from everything is very interesting. Banner as an agent of SHIELD (really enjoyed this last issue's bait and switch), Iron Man's strange new suit (and satisfying pseudo-villain from the first arc), and Thor's time-jumping adventures has all been bold choices that are paying off (to me), in a way that 18 months of DC hasn't at all.

Hell, as stupid as an idea of this Spider-man thing is, it's already paid off in two very good issues (Avenging 16 and Daredevil 22), and one ok issue (Superior).

Marvel is really just whipping DC's ass, honestly.



That said, Image....

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Mind The Gap
Nowhere Men
Peter Panzerfaust
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Planetoid
Point Of Impact
Saga
Thief of Thieves
Think Tank
Walking Dead

That's a lot of stuff I've really enjoyed in one year, and I don't even read most of their more "popular" work. (Chew, Elephantmen, Invinicible, etc).



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.40
As a self proclaimed Wolverine hater, I'll happily admit that Wolverine and The X-Men has been one of the few Marvel books I've enjoyed over the past year. I know, strange.

DC has turned spotty. I like the Jonah Hex book, Demon Knights is fun, and some of the Batstuff has been good, but the rest has kinda turned to crap. I loved Justice League International, but it was axed.

Indy books have been on fire this year. Transformers has been consistently awesome. GIJoe has been pretty great as well. The Valiant books have been going strong with the newly added Shadowman. Masks deserves to be read by everyone who loves comics. All good stuff!

EDIT: Shit. Forgot all about Batwing. When I first heard about this book, I thought it was gonna be dumb, but it totally surprised me. I love the art on it and it's actually pretty great.

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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
By the way, I did read Wolvering & The X-men: Alpha and Omega. Is that indicative of the series?

Also, as much as I've been loving the new Marvel books, this Deadpool is horrible.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.60
    Originally posted by theremin
    By the way, I did read Wolvering & The X-men: Alpha and Omega. Is that indicative of the series?

    Also, as much as I've been loving the new Marvel books, this Deadpool is horrible.


Alpha and Omega was some good character work, but the main title is quite a bit better than that mini was. Quentin Quire really is the standout in Wolverine and the X-Men for me, but there's also a lot of good work with the other kids and even some of the long-standing cast members (particularly Iceman, who I've felt has always been a more interesting character than he's usually shown to be).

And man, are you right about Deadpool. The last series was, to me, about as good as Deadpool's ever been. Daniel Way can be a spotty writer, but he understood a fundamental truth about Wade Wilson. No matter how jokey and funny he might be, Wade Wilson hates himself and wants to die. The tragedy underpins everything else. This new series is just garbage. Bad jokes and material recycled from other sources, and all the pathos cut out. I'm sticking with the series way longer than I should because they've teased some kind of hook for the series that they haven't revealed yet. I'm going to stick around a few more issues to see if they clue us in. I have a nearly complete run of every Deadpool title going back to the Joe Kelley series, but if I'm not satisfied with this reveal, I'll be dropping the book.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.65
I have never paid any attention at all to deadpool. I've only seen him when he's been in someone else's series. I think I read deadpool vs. the marvel universe, some sort of punisher vs. deadpool thing. I remember when the wolverine movie came out, I had no idea who the hell he was.

I have random gaps in my comic knowledge like that.

I figured a new series, with a guy I really like as a writer would be right up my alley, but it hasn't been, at all.
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