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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
With the Brand Split 2 years old after WM20 do you think the WWE should change the rosters about on both sides to get fresh matches/feuds etc, or keep things the way they are. I just thought of this as they have nearly done all the big money matches on both sides and could need to switch about to keep it fresh.

What does everybody else think?
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Keep things the way they are. It gives a sense of respectability to what they are doing, and fans can identify with certain wrestlers of their favorite "brands."
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I think a trading period during April might do well to shake things up a bit.



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I agree. Once a year, maybe, you could swap a few guys around to create some fresh feuds. This is an especially good idea for some of the undercard guys that aren't doing anything, like Sean O'Haire. The important thing is not to do it too often, or too heavily.


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
April or October would both be great "Open Contract" months; in April it could be a way of changing things up after the big blowoffs at Mania, and in October it could be a way of firing up the customary fall lull.



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I'm all for a trading period. It would add a little "real sport" flavor and let underutilized talent get a chance to shine in a different venue. It would also lead to good storylines, with both GMs courting big-name talent and undercutting each other.



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I'm surprised that there are people that actually take the brand split seriously. WCW never shilled WWF PPV's during Nitro; so why do RAW and SD! shill the competitor's PPV's during their shows? That's just one example of how the split is completely ignored whenever it suits them best. There are many more examples, believe me.

Also, to those people talking about trades or wrestlers jumping ship; have you forgotten Matt Hardy? And, to a lesser extent so far, Kane? It would appear that those types of storylines are already set in motion.



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    Originally posted by Jun Bakon
    I'm surprised that there are people that actually take the brand split seriously. WCW never shilled WWF PPV's during Nitro; so why do RAW and SD! shill the competitor's PPV's during their shows? That's just one example of how the split is completely ignored whenever it suits them best.


First off, my memory is a little hazy. Is this "Jun Bakon" the same half-wit who tried to do that comedy piece about stupid quotes people say on message boards? Key word there is "tried". If not, disregard.

WCW vs. WWF is a totally different situation from Raw vs. Smackdown. While Raw/Smackdown do "compete", its more of a healthy competition - the WWE never pretends that they're separate "companies", just brands. Therefore, the goal is to still make money for the company as a WHOLE. I don't know if you've seen ads for the other brand's PPV's, but I've never seen JR and Lawler "shill" a Smackdown PPV on Raw TV, and I've never seen the opposite happen for Smackdown. The only time I've seen them mention the other brands on-air in the past 6 months or so has been when there is a joint PPV, and they'll sometimes mention the Smackdown matches on the card. Otherwise, I gotta disagree with you - I think they're doing a pretty good job with the brand split. It would be insulting our intelligence to try to make us believe that both shows are making money for themselves and not WWE as a whole.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.51

Yeah, it be totally stupid for one brand to bash the other ... it would seem to me that the success of can only help the other and they do not "compete" as far as timeslots and advertising goes.

I agree that an annual trade period would do the rosters some good. I feel it breathes new life into the rosters. I, for one, used to loathe the idea of the roster split, but now I dig it.



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    Originally posted by FurryHippie
      Originally posted by Jun Bakon
      I'm surprised that there are people that actually take the brand split seriously. WCW never shilled WWF PPV's during Nitro; so why do RAW and SD! shill the competitor's PPV's during their shows? That's just one example of how the split is completely ignored whenever it suits them best.


    First off, my memory is a little hazy. Is this "Jun Bakon" the same half-wit who tried to do that comedy piece about stupid quotes people say on message boards? Key word there is "tried". If not, disregard.

    WCW vs. WWF is a totally different situation from Raw vs. Smackdown. While Raw/Smackdown do "compete", its more of a healthy competition - the WWE never pretends that they're separate "companies", just brands. Therefore, the goal is to still make money for the company as a WHOLE. I don't know if you've seen ads for the other brand's PPV's, but I've never seen JR and Lawler "shill" a Smackdown PPV on Raw TV, and I've never seen the opposite happen for Smackdown. The only time I've seen them mention the other brands on-air in the past 6 months or so has been when there is a joint PPV, and they'll sometimes mention the Smackdown matches on the card. Otherwise, I gotta disagree with you - I think they're doing a pretty good job with the brand split. It would be insulting our intelligence to try to make us believe that both shows are making money for themselves and not WWE as a whole.






First off, I didn't come here to get flamed. Especially by a furry. Yes, I still do the Fun with Forums! columns which can be found every Thursday morning at lethalwrestling.com, but I came here to contribute to discussion. Believe it or not, furry, this is one of the best wrestling forums on the web. Furry.

While I do agree with you somewhat, furry, saying that they are just "brands" trying to make money for the company as a whole is a bit erroneus. Furry. I seem to remember Eric Bischoff becoming upset when Steph purchased commercial time for SD! on RAW when the brand split first started, furry. That would seem to spit in the face of your theory, wouldn't it furry? Or did they just abandon that aspect of the split altogether and we're supposed to take them seriously? Furry.

Also, while I concede that they may shill other PPV's in an attempt to make money for the company as a whole, this next bit of news further blurs the line of the brand split. Would you agree, furry?

- Sable & Torrie Wilson have been pulled from WWE's Smackdown overseas tours in December. They will be replaced by Ric Flair.

Credit: WrestlingObserver.com






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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.05
I've always thought that they should have kept the KOTR. I know it would screw up the rotation, but they could have RAW matches and the tournament made up with both rosters. Since both brands were involved, the King of the Ring(the winner) would have more prestige, it would mean more. It could catapult people even more than it did in years past.



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    Originally posted by ShotGunShep
    I've always thought that they should have kept the KOTR. I know it would screw up the rotation, but they could have RAW matches and the tournament made up with both rosters. Since both brands were involved, the King of the Ring(the winner) would have more prestige, it would mean more. It could catapult people even more than it did in years past.




That's a good point. It would also give people opportunity to see some matches that they otherwise never would see due to the wrestlers being on separate brands.



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Keep the brands separate. I can't stress this enough.

Doing otherwise is mere hotshotting, and would reflect poor business decision making skills. Sure, it'd be nice to get a couple of SD vs RAW dream matches in, but imagine if they waited two or three years. Then there would be ENTIRELY new faces on both rosters, and then the potential for interbrand matches looks even better. I mean with the exception of a handful of new guys, we've pretty much seen most WWE guys interact with each other prior to the split.

What I'm saying is yeah, keeping the brands separate could potentially prevent us from seeing a few matches. But looking at the big picture, the longer you hold out on interbrand angles, the bigger the payoff in the long run.

Now, I know the WWE is set on having Lesnar/Goldberg, Taker/Kane and they already went ahead with the Matt Hardy deal. That's fine. But keep it as limited as possible. I would be extremely against having champ Lesnar vs champ Goldberg, but having Goldberg drop the strap and going to Smackdown would be fine with me. Moderation is the key.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.82
    Originally posted by Jun Bakon
      Originally posted by FurryHippie
        Originally posted by Jun Bakon
        I'm surprised that there are people that actually take the brand split seriously. WCW never shilled WWF PPV's during Nitro; so why do RAW and SD! shill the competitor's PPV's during their shows? That's just one example of how the split is completely ignored whenever it suits them best.


      First off, my memory is a little hazy. Is this "Jun Bakon" the same half-wit who tried to do that comedy piece about stupid quotes people say on message boards? Key word there is "tried". If not, disregard.

      WCW vs. WWF is a totally different situation from Raw vs. Smackdown. While Raw/Smackdown do "compete", its more of a healthy competition - the WWE never pretends that they're separate "companies", just brands. Therefore, the goal is to still make money for the company as a WHOLE. I don't know if you've seen ads for the other brand's PPV's, but I've never seen JR and Lawler "shill" a Smackdown PPV on Raw TV, and I've never seen the opposite happen for Smackdown. The only time I've seen them mention the other brands on-air in the past 6 months or so has been when there is a joint PPV, and they'll sometimes mention the Smackdown matches on the card. Otherwise, I gotta disagree with you - I think they're doing a pretty good job with the brand split. It would be insulting our intelligence to try to make us believe that both shows are making money for themselves and not WWE as a whole.






    First off, I didn't come here to get flamed. Especially by a furry. Yes, I still do the Fun with Forums! columns which can be found every Thursday morning at lethalwrestling.com, but I came here to contribute to discussion. Believe it or not, furry, this is one of the best wrestling forums on the web. Furry.

    While I do agree with you somewhat, furry, saying that they are just "brands" trying to make money for the company as a whole is a bit erroneus. Furry. I seem to remember Eric Bischoff becoming upset when Steph purchased commercial time for SD! on RAW when the brand split first started, furry. That would seem to spit in the face of your theory, wouldn't it furry? Or did they just abandon that aspect of the split altogether and we're supposed to take them seriously? Furry.

    Also, while I concede that they may shill other PPV's in an attempt to make money for the company as a whole, this next bit of news further blurs the line of the brand split. Would you agree, furry?

    - Sable & Torrie Wilson have been pulled from WWE's Smackdown overseas tours in December. They will be replaced by Ric Flair.

    Credit: WrestlingObserver.com





I half agree, and half disagree. I still think you're trying to see the WWE as two COMPANIES, instead of two branches of a company. I do agree that they should watch a little bit what they do in terms of those replacements (like the one you mentioned). Lastly, I'm not sure what the constant "furry" is all about. Another attempt at humor? =)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
I think the brand-split should be kept, just because the roster is so huge. We already have a lot of people who deserve to get TV-time that don't. If you put the brands back together, can you imagine how many more deserving individuals would be wrestling on Heat and Velocity, instead of Raw and SmackDown?

And I believe a little shake-up wouldn't be too bad. Just swap two or three RAW guys with two or three SmackDown guys. Switch enough guys to shake things up, but not so many that people get confused as to who's on what show.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
    Originally posted by FurryHippie
    Lastly, I'm not sure what the constant "furry" is all about. Another attempt at humor? =)


Sounds to me like he's hung up on a particularly odd sexual fetish. If you're unaware of what that fetish is, consider yourself fortunate.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.10
No trade periods. No open contract months. The reason people are starting to take the brand extension seriously is because they have actually kept the rosters consistent, rather than during the first year or so where guys were switching shows, turning up on the wrong show, etc. constantly. Matt Hardy on Raw and Kane on Smackdown this past week both felt like they mattered, like their appearances were significant because the rosters had been set in stone for so long. I'm not saying you can't do trades because obviously you'll run out of storylines eventually, but they should be the exception rather than the rule. Just because the split is finally working now doesn't mean it's OK to relax the stipulation. If anything, that's more reason to keep things going the way they are, keep the rosters separate, and keep the switches to a minimum.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.93
I can't really weep bitter tears over losing KOTR; even though the tournament is a good idea in theory, in practice it's usually poorly booked, and you have to go back to 1996 and Austin to find the last time being named King actually -meant- anything. (Lesnar and Angle already had rockets strapped to their asses, Triple H got MSG-ed, and Shamrock, Gunn, and Edge never did much of anything as Kings, for various reasons.)

I don't think a shake-up is needed in the rosters. If someone is underperforming where he is and there's a reasonable explanation for switching him over -- as with Matt, for instance -- that's one thing, but changing people back and forth just for the sake of change cheapens the idea of keeping the rosters separate.



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