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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
No offense to any Nets fans, but I feel the need to vent just a little bit ...

The sad thing - as far as I'm concerned - about this series wrapping up the way it did is that the national media is going to be a one-trick pony when it comes to recapping what happened ("sweep, sweep, sweep ... "), but the truth is that - barring Game Three - these games were very hotly contested and the C's definitely played like the warriors that they are.

They could have (nay, SHOULD have) won Game One ... Except for a lull in the third quarter, they played very well in Game Two and could have won that game as well ... Skip Game Three ... And last night, they forced New Joisey into two overtime periods and could have won that game as well.

So, if you think about it, this series could have easily been 3-1 in favor of Boston ...

However, I'm not looking to bitch and moan and play the "should'a would'a could'a" game ... Obviously, the Nets are the more talented group - it pains me to say that, but facts are facts. Indiana was the more talented team as well (on paper); the C's just proved that they were the mentally superior team in that series.

Unfortunately, the Nets had just as much mental toughness as the C's (perhaps more) and that was the difference in this series ... Rather than crumble whenever Boston took one of their major-league defensive stands (like the Pacers did), they hung tough and stuck to their game plan, i.e. running Boston out of the building and taking advantage of the skills of their superior point guard.

So after getting swept, I'm not going to panic and demand that Ainge come in and dismantle this team ... Rather, I like what some of the guys on Fox Sports New England were saying last night - find a quality point guard to complement the skills of Antoine and Paul, and you have an infinitely better ball club on your hands.

Meh, it will be an interesting off-season for Beantown fans, if nothing else.




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    The first thing Boston has to do is release Vin Baker.

    Back to the series, it's sad when Dikembe Mutombo plays the same number of minutes as Scarbine.



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    Since: 11.7.02
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    The Celtics are not nearly as good as the Nets.

    The Nets are the defending champs in the East and they showed why. They have the best player in basketball. I'd like to build a team around Jason Kidd, he makes everyone else on his team better. He makes Kittles and Jefferson look like All-Stars.

    The Finals this year should look just like last year with the Lakers beating the Nets.

    I'm rooting for Sacramento just because that would give the Nets the best chance of winning.
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    Since: 31.3.03
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    The Celtics are not ready for prime-time. Walker and Pierce are just not enough to win it all. Better play from the point guard spot and some activity in the middle would help out tremendously. I'm not bitter about the sweep, but I think that it's going to have to be a VERY creative off-season to get the C's back into the upper echelon of the league.



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    Since: 24.7.02

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    8 point lead with 4 minutes to go in an elimination game at home, win the damn game.
    I was against firing Jim O'Brien until the end of the game last night. Nets miss two free throws with 26 seconds left in a 6 point game and get the rebound, and instead of fouling again in a 2 possession game, the Celts let them run out the clock. That is inexcusable and bordering upon a treasonable offense.
    They can't cut Vin Baker due to the cap, but if they give him a lump sum buyout over the off-season, it would lessen his cap hit, give Baker the money up front, and put that nightmare behind us.
    The only hope to get to the next level quickly is the incompetence of the Clippers. If the Celts can do a sign and trade for Andre Miller (giving up Eric Williams, 3 million cash and a 2 million cap exemption they have, it would work cap wise), then they have the point guard to alleviate the pressure off Pierce and Walker. Although Kenny Anderson is a free agent this off season and would be cheap, I'm still not interested. Anderson has become a much better player in people's minds since he left Boston than he was when he actually was in Boston.



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    But that's my point ... The Nets, as a team, are

    bigger
    stronger
    faster
    more disciplined
    better shooters
    better rebounders

    Etc etc and so on and so forth, and yet the Celtics STILL almost won three of those four games!

    I mean, it's not like the Nets blew them out in four straight games, but that's how people seem to be reacting ... as if New Jersey had no problems beating the C's, when in fact the opposite is true (we'll just conveniently ignore Game Three for the moment).

    Celtics Pride can take this team far, methinks ... As long as Mister Ainge can find a couple more complementary pieces to the puzzles, and it can take them even farther.





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    #7 Posted on

      Originally posted by Alessandro
      I mean, it's not like the Nets blew them out in four straight games,


    Why yes, that's exactly what happened. The Celtics lost in four straight. That's considered a blow out. History judges the outcome of the games.

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      Why yes, that's exactly what happened. The Celtics lost in four straight. That's considered a blow out.


    No, I would consider "blowing them out in four straight games" to be winning each game by at least 25-30 points ... That did not happen, as (with the exception of Game Three) each contest was fairly close and could have gone either way.





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    Bottom line, Boston lost.
    I do agree that the Celtics may be a year away, but they were only a 'year away' last year and then came the Vin Baker fiasco that basically screwed the franchise for this year and probably the next, too.



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    Well you know something, Mean Gene...

    1) Nets 4, Celtics 0
    2) Losing by 1 or 40 is still a loss.
    3) Going from losing in 6 games in the East Finals last year to getting swept by the same team in the East Semis this year to me qualifies as a step backwards. Changes need to be made.



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    The old owner kinda handcuffed them in a big way. As I understand it, they're kinda stuck with what they've got, unless they can manage to convince someone to take Big Vin (and his salary) off of their hands. Some better play out of the point and the middle would help them go a long way, but I don't believe they have the room in the cap to do it. I would consider # 3 to be a slight step back... They lost to the same team in a lower round of the playoffs, meaning, they're still not better than that team. The fact that they lost in two fewer games is disheartening, but with worse players at two key positions, it is kinda hard for them to do much more.



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    Now wait a second ... While I agree that this Celtics team was not as talented as last year's club, these arguments make it sound as if they played the exact same New Jersey team as last postseason.

    If you ask me, the substraction of Keith Van Horn (which moved Richard Jefferson into a starting role) actually improved the Net's overall talent level when compared to their 2002 playoff roster ... It's not fair to claim that being swept by the (quote, unquote) "same team" that took them in six games last year is a step backward; while I do agree that changes need to be made by Ainge during the offseason, the fact that those four games were hotly contested and could have gone either way (three of the four, anyway) can be taken as an encouraging sign.



    (edited by Alessandro on 21.5.03 1435)


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    Exactly. The Nets made the changes they needed to make after getting swept by the Lakers last year. The Celtics needed to make changes but the ownership situation complicated that.

    I'm not saying "woulda shoulda coulda" here. The Nets were better this season and that's all there is to it. I was hoping we wouldn't get swept in the series (I didn't think the Celts could win it) but what can you do?

    The sweep will just be more mental preparation for next season. The general sports world may not look past the 4-0 but three of those games were hotly contested. It wasn't as competitive as last season with two slightly different teams. Case in point there is that Boston didn't show the kind of fire they did when they came back from the largest fourth quarter deficit in league history against them last year.

    Getting a better player at point will do wonders but Boston still needs a real bench. I don't think you can win the league championship without a strong B squad.



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    Now Detroit, THERE was a team that just was smoked by New Jersey. THAT, my friends, was a sweep.



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      Originally posted by Alessandro
      Now wait a second ... While I agree that this Celtics team was not as talented as last year's club, these arguments make it sound as if they played the exact same New Jersey team as last postseason.

      If you ask me, the substraction of Keith Van Horn (which moved Richard Jefferson into a starting role) actually improved the Net's overall talent level when compared to their 2002 playoff roster ... It's not fair to claim that being swept by the (quote, unquote) "same team" that took them in six games last year is a step backward; while I do agree that changes need to be made by Ainge during the offseason, the fact that those four games were hotly contested and could have gone either way (three of the four, anyway) can be taken as an encouraging sign.



      (edited by Alessandro on 21.5.03 1435)



    The owners have already taken the proper first step. KEEP WALLACE AWAY FROM HAVING THE FINAL WORD ON WHO THE CELTICS DRAFT.

    Look at the 2001 draft. Richard Jefferson, Zach Randolph, and Troy Murphy were available at the 10th and 11th spots. Wallace picks Joe Johnson and Kedrick Brown. I could see them taking Johnson (as many had him rated to go higher) but 11 should've been a big man like Murphy or Randolph.

    The pick at 21 probably hurt the most. They take Joe Forte when Tony Parker and Jamaal Tinsley are still on the board. If Wallace had taken the right players in 2001 and didn't trade for Baker, the C's probably would've been close to being the top team in the east.



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