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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.51
From NFL.com:

"The Kansas City Chiefs have found their starting quarterback. NFL Network’s Adam Schefter reports the Chiefs acquired QB Matt Cassel from the New England Patriots in a trade.

The teams have agreed on compensation, but no details of the deal were immediately available."


Well, he'll either be a stud, or never be heard from again. One more receiver would make this offense scary.

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Pioli making this move makes me think it's more likely that Cassel is for real than I would have previously thought. It'd be one thing if, say, San Fran did it, but Pioli should already be aware if it was the system that made Cassel look decent, or if he has some true skills.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.32
Was Vrabel part of the same trade?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.43
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Was Vrabel part of the same trade?


Peter King (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) says yes. Patriots get a 2nd round pick for Cassel and Vrabel. Which actually sounds like a steal for the Chiefs.

(edited by hansen9j on 28.2.09 1333)


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.70
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by JustinShapiro
      Was Vrabel part of the same trade?


    Peter King (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) says yes. Patriots get a 2nd round pick for Cassel and Vrabel. Which actually sounds like a steal for the Chiefs.


In the article:

The move leaves the Patriots with three second-round picks in the 2009 draft and, as usual, puts New England in position to be a power-broker on draft day. No team has more than New England's four first-day draft choices; the Pats also have their own pick in the first round.

Perhaps the Pats bundle their picks to move up and get another Mayo-esque stud, or they just draft a bunch of young guys - either way, I'd call it typical trade that helps both sides, considering Vrabel's 33 and Cassel is (so far) a true one-year wonder AND that the Patriots are OLD.



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I half-expected that KC's first-rounder (third overall) would be going the other way, but it's not in New England's nature to guarantee a bunch of money to an unproven player. I agree that it's more likely that if the Pats move up, they'll go to around the 10-15 spot to get someone they really love.

Ironic that Cassel is sent to the team that made his NFL success all possible.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by JayJayDean
      Originally posted by hansen9j
        Originally posted by JustinShapiro
        Was Vrabel part of the same trade?


      Peter King (sportsillustrated.cnn.com) says yes. Patriots get a 2nd round pick for Cassel and Vrabel. Which actually sounds like a steal for the Chiefs.


    In the article:

    The move leaves the Patriots with three second-round picks in the 2009 draft and, as usual, puts New England in position to be a power-broker on draft day. No team has more than New England's four first-day draft choices; the Pats also have their own pick in the first round.

    Perhaps the Pats bundle their picks to move up and get another Mayo-esque stud, or they just draft a bunch of young guys - either way, I'd call it typical trade that helps both sides, considering Vrabel's 33 and Cassel is (so far) a true one-year wonder AND that the Patriots are OLD.





And the most important thing for the Patriots is the near $17 million they remove from the cap. Vrabel seemed to have hit the wall last season, while Cassel probably will be a decent/good QB in KC, should they actually give him some weapons to play with. Having Moss to throw deep and having Wes Welker as a safety blanket underneath did help. This means the Chiefs don't have to commit their #1 and high #1 money to an unproven QB, and the Patriots get a high 2 centered around a guy most of their fans wanted cut last August. Sounds win/win, especially since the Patriots used a #3 on a QB last season should Brady need extra time.

(edited by redsoxnation on 28.2.09 1738)
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
Wow Vrabel and Cassel for only the #34 pick. It's a nice pick and all, but that's one hell of an upgrade for the Chiefs.

They'd better get him one hell of a short yardage guy like Welker and Faulk though.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 28.2.09 1806)
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I don't get this move from the Pats side. They must be really sure that Brady will be ready. And how will Cassel do with the Chiefs line to protect him?



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I know the Chiefs need defensive help horribly bad, but I wouldn't mind seeing them spend that #3 pick on an offensive lineman. Bookend tackles and Waters inside would go a long way in shoring up the offense.
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.30
    Originally posted by DrDirt
    I don't get this move from the Pats side. They must be really sure that Brady will be ready. And how will Cassel do with the Chiefs line to protect him?


Yeah, a second rounder seems pretty low considering Schaub and AJ Feeley went for similar compensation, but with more limited bodies of work behind them (and no Vrabel thrown in).

I guess they have a lot of faith in either Brady's health or the ability of their system to allow most any backup QB to come in and allow the offence to be successful if need be.

The Pats don't make many personnel mistakes, but I can't help feel they could've gotten a bit more out of this trade, even if it was only another 4th/5th rounder.

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.11
    Originally posted by Whitebacon
    I know the Chiefs need defensive help horribly bad, but I wouldn't mind seeing them spend that #3 pick on an offensive lineman. Bookend tackles and Waters inside would go a long way in shoring up the offense.


Yeah, but over the weekend Waters said he wanted out of KC. The line wasn't as bad last year as the year before though. The D HAS to be adressed whether it's Curry at #3 or someone else if they trade down. They can go out and get some linemen in the later rounds or free agency.

As for the trade itself I'm thrilled. Yeah, there's always the possibility that it doesn't work, but to get a potential 10-year starter/franchise QB plus a good veteran LB for just the 34th pick is a coup. The most impressive thing about the trade to me is that is was done so quick and without a lot of info coming out about it beforehand(there were whispers of speculation obviously). In the Peterson era as GM a trade like this would have taken a long time to pull if at all. We would have been hearing stories of the GMs not wanting to budge on their offer for a month. Pretty much everything about the negotiations would have been public knowledge. So far so good in the Pioli era, except for poor Jason Whitlock, who seems to me is unhappy with the new leadership. Probably because they don't tell him everything that goes on.
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I think both Waters and Gonzo stay home. Personally, I think the Waters thing has been ridiculously blown out of proportion.
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