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He low balls Jeter, and invites him to look elsewhere for a better contract.

If he lets the Yankee captain, and the heart and soul of so many of those world championships, walk, he'll be the most hated man in New York.

(Not to mention, he declines giving Mariano Rivera arbitration.)

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If Jeter actually finds a better contract, I'm sure they'll match it. But why pay Jeter well above market value? And you can't say because of past services rendered, since he was already *very* well paid during those years.



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Derek Jeter is old. Derek Jeter is not very good anymore. If not overpaying an old, washed up player makes him a bad GM, then most teams would be lucky to have a bad GM.

I'm sure the Yankees will end up with Jeter, and the contract will be much, much closer to the Yankees' offer than it will be Jeter's demand. And if Jeter heads elsewhere, the Yankees will hardly notice the difference, because I'm also sure they can find another shortstop capable of hitting .270 and being too slow to get to ground balls that would be routine outs for some other shortstops in baseball right now.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 25.11.10 2157)


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What reason does anyone have to think Jeter is worth the same now per year as he was when he signed his previous contract? Nostalgia? Do Yankee fans really want their team throwing money around at nostalgia?

I think the Yankees have demonstrated in the past that just throwing money around, rather than spending that huge payroll wisely, isn't a way to win championships.



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I'd tell people to listen to this week's Simmons podcast with Jack-O to hear a good articulation about why, in this case, throwing away money is okay.

Jeter is the symbol of the modern yankee dynasty and paying him now ensures he stays connected with the team in perpetuity.

Conversely, if he feels slighted and ends up burning bridges, either viewed as such by him or Hal/Hank, there could be a repeat of Yogi and George where he remains exommunicated by the Yankees for an indefinite time.

No Jeter at Old Timer's Day. No Jeter with his number retired. and so on.

Personally, I'd love to see Jeter as a Met or a Red Sock or a Tiger. but if I was a Yankee fan, i'd say that saving money with jeter is penny wise and pound foolish.



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Jack-O also made the good point that the Yankees are willing to waste millions on the likes of Kei Igawa and AJ Burnett, yet are nickel-and-diming Jeter and Rivera? Jeter I can maybe understand given his blah season (though remember he was damn near the MVP in 2009), but Rivera is still an A-1 closer. If you were ever going to sign a 41-year-closer to a two-year deal worth $18 million, he'd be the guy.
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This wouldn't be such an issue if the Yankees hadn't stupidly thrown the bank at A-Rod for such a long period. It isn't about money anymore to Jeter. It's about whether the organization values A-Rod more than they do him.




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    Originally posted by odessasteps

    I'd tell people to listen to this week's Simmons podcast with Jack-O to hear a good articulation about why, in this case, throwing away money is okay.

    Jeter is the symbol of the modern yankee dynasty and paying him now ensures he stays connected with the team in perpetuity.

    Conversely, if he feels slighted and ends up burning bridges, either viewed as such by him or Hal/Hank, there could be a repeat of Yogi and George where he remains exommunicated by the Yankees for an indefinite time.
Would you not agree that there has to be an amount of money and/or an amount of years that the Yankees have to say no to? Would that number be 6 years, $150 million?

And while I get the thought of "oooh, look how overpaid A-Rod is", A) there has to be a point where the sins of the past stop sinning the future, B) where the hell are the Yankees going to put both A-Rod AND Jeter when they can't play infield any more? Not first base, that's for sure. And if they want Carl Crawford, he's going to take out another escape hatch.

Again, I totally respect the Yankees for not paying Jeter 60% more than anyone else would. Why would they have to pay a hometown premium for someone that they have paid through the nose for the last ten years?



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    Originally posted by It's False
    This wouldn't be such an issue if the Yankees hadn't stupidly thrown the bank at A-Rod for such a long period. It isn't about money anymore to Jeter. It's about whether the organization values A-Rod more than they do him.


Rodriguez's numbers weren't amazing last year by any stretch, but he hit 30 homers and had an OPS about 140 points higher than Jeters. Unless the Yankees are morons (and they don't appear to be, based on how the negotiations are going), of course they value Rodriguez more at this point. This is because Rodriguez is more valuable.

I fully expect Jeter to get on the market and find out he's not nearly the hot shit he apparently thinks he is. And if some team DOES pay him what he is demanding, he'll have found one of the stupidest front offices in baseball.

It's not as if the Yankees are offering him pennies. They offered $15 million per year to a guy who is obviously over the hill. I see no reason to believe Jeter will still be productive at the end of a three-year contract - I wouldn't consider him productive NOW - so I see no reason to offer him any more years than that. And certainly not anymore money.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 26.11.10 0904)


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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    And if some team DOES pay him what he is demanding, he'll have found one of the stupidest front offices in baseball.








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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan


    What reason does anyone have to think Jeter is worth the same now per year as he was when he signed his previous contract?


Because inflation means that paying him as much as he was getting means he's taking a pay cut in all actuality.
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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan


      What reason does anyone have to think Jeter is worth the same now per year as he was when he signed his previous contract?


    Because inflation means that paying him as much as he was getting means he's taking a pay cut in all actuality.
Fine. "What reason does anyone have to think Jeter is worth as much as a slight pay cut from his previous contract?"

He is 36 years old. In the next six years, he will be 37, 38, 39, 40, 41, and 42. Jeter wants them to pay him $25M in 2016 for "Omar Vizquel without the defense".

(edited by hansen9j on 26.11.10 0834)


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Question: Who played for the following teams?

* Boston Red Sox (1914–1919)
* New York Yankees (1920–1934)
* Boston Braves (1935)

Answer; George Herman Ruth, Jr.


There's a precedent for you, because Jeter does not equal The Babe. And throwing money at overrated players his what helped Jeter's current legacy, as without the Yankees spending all that money they may not have won those championships. And without those championships, wouldn't Jeter's legacy take a bit of a hit?

Anyway, pay him a bit more than what he's worth, but not as much as he think's he's worth. And if people have an issue with that I'm sure Cahsman is smart enough to build a contender else where.



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If I'm the New York Yankees, I want to keep Jeter if he's willing to accept our offer. If not, I'm *praying* a division rival, especially the Red Sox, throws a six-year, $150 million deal at him. That would be one of the most embarrassing contracts in recent memory. Sure, the short-term PR might be bad, but in the long term, that move would be a horrible one for Boston, and therefore a good one for the Yankees, as well as the rest of the AL East.

Is there any other middle infielder making the kind of money the Yankees offered Jeter? The answer is no. At $15 million per year, I'm pretty sure Jeter would remain the highest-paid shortstop in baseball by a wide margin, and the only contract for a shortstop that will have ever topped that will have been Jeter's previous contract.

The Yankees are being generous.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 26.11.10 1002)


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Call me crazy but I like it. Management is offering Jeter more than his current value so I guess they would be paying for his "iconic status" for the organization. Management (for now) is not bending at the knees and pretty much calling Derek Jeter's bluff. His last contract gave Jeter over a $180 million and from his endorsements, Jeter is a very wealthy man.

I agree with a lot of people that Jeter helped the Yanks win 5 WS titles but they also payed him very well during that time and during that time, Jeter also posted better numbers and was a bigger asset.

$15 million a year for 3 years? That is a lot more than what any other organization would pay for middle-aged shortstop, no matter who they are or were.
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It's tough. 6 years, $150 million is right out. If his agent is refusing to be reasonable, what other option do the Yankees have? To me this just seems like a little bit of hardball to get him to a more reasonable number. I expect him to sign for more than 3 years, $45 million but less than the 6 years, $150 million.

The risk of course is that if you insult him, he'll take whatever money some other team offers and won't give the Yankees any opportunity to match it. I agree if he goes to another team for 6 years, $150 m, the Yankees will have the last laugh. But if he leaves for 3 years, $60 mil, the shit will definitely hit the fan.
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If it truly was a low-ball offer, and he's free to field offers from other teams, much better offers will be coming down the pipeline. But they won't... because 3/45 is well over market value for a late-30s SS in his (likely) decline. Not at all a low ball offer. It is not "nickel and diming."

If the 6/150 figure is even remotely close to being true, and it's true Jeter's "not budging," then he's the one ending his "legacy" in NY. Why is it the Yankees fault if Jeter walks? Why is Jeter getting a free pass here? Isn't 3/45 less a "low ball" offer than 6/150 is a "ridiculous, outrageous, laughable" demand? Why does Cashman need to have his head examined? Why is Jeter the sane one here?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.53

6/$150 is crazy.

That definitely, if true, would likely shift public sentiment from Jeter's side to the Yankees' side.

You'd think Jeter isn't so stupid as to either ask for that or make sure it doesn't get out.





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    Originally posted by odessasteps
    You'd think Jeter isn't so stupid as to either ask for that or make sure it doesn't get out.
Presumably the Yankees leaked it, which Jeter wouldn't be able to stop.



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