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|  #1 Posted on 16.9.03 1330.32 | Instant Rating: 4.61 | After a great series against the cubs, the cardinals have fallen apart, getting beat by houston, and just not being able to handle any tough teams.
The obvious answer is pitching. They have the hitting, but thier pitching staff this season has been thier downfall. What pitchers are going to be available this offseason?| Promote this thread! |           | BigVitoMark
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|  #2 Posted on 16.9.03 1340.19 | Instant Rating: 4.64 | | I wouldn't have very high hopes for the pitching market this off season. I've heard things going around here that the Blue Jays won't be able to afford to keep Kelvim Escobar because he'll probably get 8 million bucks a season over a 4-5 year contract. If Escobar is gonna attract that kind of money there can't be much out there, because there's no way Kelvim and his gas can are worth that kind of money. | Grimis
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| #3 Posted on 16.9.03 1410.19 | Instant Rating: 7.29 | Kevin Millwood, Sidney Ponson, Bartolo Colon, Andy Pettite and Greg Maddux are on the market. You might see Javier Vazquez moved in trade. Plus potential retirees David Wells and Roger Clemens will also be available. Good year to seek pitching on the market.
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| #4 Posted on 16.9.03 1515.10 | Instant Rating: 4.64 | | Wow...shows what I know. I shoulda known Maddux because of all the talk that he's going to wind up in San Diego and pitch the opening game in the new ballpark, but I hadn't heard anything about the other guys. Good thing someone is paying attention. | TheCow
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| #5 Posted on 17.9.03 0008.13 | Instant Rating: 7.00 | Yeah, this is shaping up to be one of the best pitchers' markets of the past few years. When Greg Maddux isn't even in the top few pitchers mentioned (even though he has been here) - I'm talking Millwood, Ponson, Colon - and he'll be breaking 300 wins pretty shortly, that says something for the level of pitching.
I will say this: Maddux (back) in Cubbie uniform would be an interesting sight... and a scary pitching staff.
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| #6 Posted on 17.9.03 0030.29 | Instant Rating: 1.00 | and to think 2-3 years ago they were going on and on about Bud Smith and Rick Ankiel... hubris, friends, hubris.
And is it really that good a market? If anything signs are pointing to develop your prospects and have luck with roster invitees...
Ponson--one good year but is about .500 with the Giants.
Colon--a workhorse for sure, but just barely climbing over .500, can't blame the O for everything.
Millwood--started off great with the no-no, but is in a rough patch.
Escobar--never been consistent, and for 8 million?
Maddux--still a good bet, but he'll have to be lower than this year's salary.
Pettite--I doubt it will be easy to get him out of pinstripes. | Big Bad
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| #7 Posted on 17.9.03 2108.20 | Instant Rating: 5.54 | I have a bad feeling that Escobar will be the latest Blue Jays pitcher (Woody, Loaiza) to go onto greater success once he leaves Toronto.
Now if there's ANY team that needs pitching, it's the Jays. They have no money to go for Maddux or his ilk, but maybe they can sweetheart a deal with the Expos for Vazquez. I seriously think the Jays are one starter and two relievers away from contension.
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| #8 Posted on 18.9.03 0644.56 | Instant Rating: 7.00 | Actually, Ankiel's still in the system - Double-A, last I recalled. They're (obviously) taking it really slow with him. There's a small chance that he might get called up late next year (or even before), but seeing as how he got the pitching equivalent of the yips (unable to hit the strike zone at all), the slower they go with him, the better it'll be, at least in theory. He's still pretty young (24 or 25), so if he comes back, there's a good chance he can still have 10 good years.
Bud Smith, on the other hand .... I'm not entirely sure where he is right now; somewhere in Philly's system, I think. I think that he might be able to be a #3 starter at some point in the future, but nothing beyond that.
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| #9 Posted on 18.9.03 1635.13 | Instant Rating: 1.00 | Originally posted by TheCow
Actually, Ankiel's still in the system - Double-A, last I recalled. They're (obviously) taking it really slow with him. There's a small chance that he might get called up late next year (or even before), but seeing as how he got the pitching equivalent of the yips (unable to hit the strike zone at all), the slower they go with him, the better it'll be, at least in theory. He's still pretty young (24 or 25), so if he comes back, there's a good chance he can still have 10 good years.
Bud Smith, on the other hand .... I'm not entirely sure where he is right now; somewhere in Philly's system, I think. I think that he might be able to be a #3 starter at some point in the future, but nothing beyond that.
If i'm not mistaken, Ankiel just had ligament replacement surgery. They were probably counting on Carpenter to recover in time, can't see why they didnt re-sign Finley either. And honestly I'd say it's more of a bullpen problem than the starters anyway. | Whitebacon
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| #10 Posted on 19.9.03 0354.32 | Instant Rating: 6.62 | Originally posted by darkdragoon
Originally posted by TheCow
Actually, Ankiel's still in the system - Double-A, last I recalled. They're (obviously) taking it really slow with him. There's a small chance that he might get called up late next year (or even before), but seeing as how he got the pitching equivalent of the yips (unable to hit the strike zone at all), the slower they go with him, the better it'll be, at least in theory. He's still pretty young (24 or 25), so if he comes back, there's a good chance he can still have 10 good years.
Bud Smith, on the other hand .... I'm not entirely sure where he is right now; somewhere in Philly's system, I think. I think that he might be able to be a #3 starter at some point in the future, but nothing beyond that.
If i'm not mistaken, Ankiel just had ligament replacement surgery. They were probably counting on Carpenter to recover in time, can't see why they didnt re-sign Finley either. And honestly I'd say it's more of a bullpen problem than the starters anyway.
Finley wanted way too much money for an old guy.
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| #11 Posted on 19.9.03 1545.39 | Instant Rating: 4.29 | | Not to mention the fact that Finley was 11-15 last season. | darkdragoon
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| #12 Posted on 19.9.03 2012.44 | Instant Rating: 1.00 | | That would still outdo Stephenson and Fassero though...besides, he coulda climbed up on the active wins list etc. |
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