I just watched my raw tape a few days ago. Were they using crowd noise on that show? The crowd reaction seemed really odd at times. The volume seemed off and I'm sure I heard loud cheers but the crowd shots didn't show anybody cheering.
I am sure it was. I watched the show "live" on Monday night with my friends and it sure seemed to me that the crowd noise was canned at times, especially when RVD gave Kane the "Hungry Hungry Hippos" game. I never heard a crowd pop so loud for a board game before in my life!
Just a quick question: What's wrong with canned heat? The show seems a lot more entertaining when the fans are heavily into it. I've seen good shows ruined by brainless assholes who don't do anything but wave their stupid signs around. If you have the ability to make the show come across better, why the hell wouldn't you?
The problem is the disconnect between sight and sound tends to throw me out of the moment, not get me into it. If the soundtrack is making with a roof-rattling pop, but I can see that the crowd is sitting back, paging through their programs, wandering off for nachos, etc., I don't think "This is a hot match -- the crowd is really into it!", I think "Oh, come on, like Can O' Crowd is going to disguise the fact that they're boring the shit out of everyone."
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Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastardJust a quick question: What's wrong with canned heat? The show seems a lot more entertaining when the fans are heavily into it. I've seen good shows ruined by brainless assholes who don't do anything but wave their stupid signs around. If you have the ability to make the show come across better, why the hell wouldn't you?
If they use canned heat to enhance the noise, thats fine. Its when they completely invent the noise at times where it makes no sense that it becomes obvious/annoying. And I agree 1000% on the stupid signs. For years people were able to watch wrestling matches without being inundated with pointless signs (unless the signs mention slash or CRZ, in which case, the signs are brilliant). Bring back the Gestapo of the old days and ban signs and make viewing more enjoyable.
I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
Agree with RedSoxNation. If used correctly canned heat could help the program, like when it's used to get a decent reaction to a good reaction and a good reaction to strong reaction. But using when something gets a mild/decent pop and turning up to volume and making sound like a strong pop that is just insulting and easy to tell... Best way to use it is to imagine the heat machine is like a volume control that goes from 1 to 10. The most it should be used is to add +2. If something got a 3 I think it's okay to add a little juice and push up to a 5 and if something got a legit 5 it's okay to push it up to a 7. But be smart about it don't take a match or someone that obvious had no reaction and make it sound like everyones popping like mad.
I thought Raw did a good job, the crowd seemed legit hot most of the time. The only obvious canned heat was what's been stated already Test vs. D'lo. I wouldn't blame Raw too much Smackdown and it's wrestlers has had this advantage since the split and used it in obvious bad fashion at times.
As for annoying fans, the fans that annoy me are the guys who look at the tron then start flexing ala Hulk Hogan, can't stand those guys... But I did like the guy on Nitro a few years ago who put his buddy (I hope it was) in the torture rack for an entire 5 minutes Luger match, I guess he was waiting for the bell to let the guy go.
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This shouldn't come as a shock to anybody. The Turner Sports Heat Machine was the biggest acquistion of the WCW purchase. Vince needs to use it as much as possible because Captain Ted needs it back soon for the Goodwill Games.
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Canned crowd noises are like fake breasts. They're a great idea in theory, but it only works if you can't tell the difference.
Also, signs annoy me at this point. They're either usually stupid mark signs ("Eddy moes my lawn!") or stupid smark signs ("Push RVD!"). Also, since the advent of the Titantron, people start looking sideways and cheering whenever they're on camera instead of rooting for or against the wrestlers in the ring.
I'm all for admitting wrestling is fake upfront, but there are some bad things to come out of the death of kayfabe.
Originally posted by NickBockwinkelFanThis shouldn't come as a shock to anybody. The Turner Sports Heat Machine was the biggest acquistion of the WCW purchase. Vince needs to use it as much as possible because Captain Ted needs it back soon for the Goodwill Games.
Much like WCW and Ted Turner's marriage to Jane Fonda, the Goodwill Games are dead as well.
I want you to know, I agree with everything I've just said.
Originally posted by Net Hack SlasherAs for annoying fans, the fans that annoy me are the guys who look at the tron then start flexing ala Hulk Hogan, can't stand those guys... But I did like the guy on Nitro a few years ago who put his buddy (I hope it was) in the torture rack for an entire 5 minutes Luger match, I guess he was waiting for the bell to let the guy go.
That really happened? I've been laughing about this all day at work.
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Originally posted by fuelinjectedI think banning signs would increase heat for the matches. People would pay attention instead of marking out for themselves, trying to get their poor excuse for a sign on TV.
Just because the camera operators couldn't appreciate my "LESNAR: HE'S NO TATANKA" sign, so I had to wave it around during the Heyman/Show segment, does NOT mean you have to start ripping signs!
Oh... wait, you mean other people's signs? Carry on. Then again, at the show, they DID confiscate a sign reading "YOU SUCK", in red, white, and blue letters. Uh, wasn't Angle a heel then?
The worst problem for me with canned heat is on Smackdown. Half the time, I'm trying to listen to a backstage discussion, and the canned noise drowns out what the wrestlers are saying. I can't believe that WWE is sabotaging getting over their storylines in favor of fake people going apeshit when Torrie says the word "lesbian."
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