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The Liberal leadership race has finished, and the dust has settled, and now, Stéphane Dion is your Liberal leader, and now, Leader of the Opposition here in Canada.

In a very weird race, he bested Michael Ignatieff, who placed second after four ballots. Bob Rae, rounded out the top three, was dropped after three ballots.

Further details can be found here. (liberal.ca)

Personally, I like Dion...I think he's a good choice for leader. Igatieff has spent way too long outside of the country for him to be considered a leader (a point that was looked at frequently in local papers), and Bob Rae would never gain support in Ontario after his tenure as Premier there.

All in all, it'll be interesting to see what comes of this, and whether Dion (who is a former Cabinet minister, to boot) can cut the mustard. Either way, new blood is good blood, so let the new politics begin.

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I thought Bob Rae was NDP. What's the story?



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Guys flip flop all the time ... Most high profile in recent years (besides the never-ending Alliance/Conservative/Reform jumps) was Jean Charest from Conservative leader to Quebec Liberal Leader...
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Or Belinda Stronache from Conservative to Liberal...or more shocking, blonde to brunette.

Rae resigned from the NDP when he headed up a Securites commission.



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As a proud Liberal, I'm happy to see Dion get the leadership. He was my third choice after Kennedy and Dryden, but he's still definitely in the 'positive' pile (unlike Rae, Ignatieff and Brison) of candidates who I would gladly vote for as my new Prime Minister.

I think my favourite part of the convention was Jean Chretien's hilarious speech. Chretien has reached that wonderful time in a politician's life when his career is essentially over and he can just say whatever the fuck he wants. His digs at Harper were wonderful.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    As a proud Liberal, I'm happy to see Dion get the leadership. He was my third choice after Kennedy and Dryden, but he's still definitely in the 'positive' pile (unlike Rae, Ignatieff and Brison) of candidates who I would gladly vote for as my new Prime Minister.


I can understand not being a big fan of Rae, especially if you were living in Ontario during his time as premier. And Ignatieff is just a little too high-falutin', bookie, and slick for me to see him as an effective party leader, but why no love for Scott Brison? I lived in his riding in the Annapolis Valley in Nova Scotia for two years or so and was always impressed by him and his apparent desire to actually serve his constituents. I don't think he's quite ready for the big time, myself, I'm just curious why you'd have him in the overall negative pile.

As for Dion, I can't say I'm disappointed. I didn't know much about him going in, but after watching more of the convention than I ever have before (since the Turner/Chretien battle over Trudeau's spot in the early 80s, anyways), I was very impressed with him and have no trouble believing he's going to bring the Liberals back to a strong national position in the next few years. Having someone with that kind of experience on the Quebecois issue should help immensely in light of the recent "Nation within a Nation" situation.
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    Originally posted by cfgb
    Guys flip flop all the time ... Most high profile in recent years (besides the never-ending Alliance/Conservative/Reform jumps) was Jean Charest from Conservative leader to Quebec Liberal Leader...


I always thought that people took pains to differentiate the Quebec Liberal party from the federal Liberals, and besides, wasn't Charest the leader of the party by default after they gagged away 149 seats in the 1993 election?

In any event, I could have sworn that after the last federal election, Ignatieff was basically the anoited replacement. I follow Canadian politics a little bit, but when I went to sleep Friday, everyone was still asking "Ignatieff or Rae?" Dion came out of nowhere.

It'll be interesting to see what he does, since he's probably going to be in an election campaign within a year.



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I'm pretty happy with the result. I have liked Dion throughout the campaign but didn't think he had a chance to win. I think all of the federal parties have strong leaders now, so it's a good position for us as Canadians knowing that we can't lose, no matter how we vote.

Also surprising, in the "real" election for those of us in Alberta, Ed Stellmach came from nowhere to win the Conservative leadership, the Premier's position, and most probably a long reign.

What an exciting weekend!
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    Originally posted by tarnish
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      As a proud Liberal, I'm happy to see Dion get the leadership. He was my third choice after Kennedy and Dryden, but he's still definitely in the 'positive' pile (unlike Rae, Ignatieff and Brison) of candidates who I would gladly vote for as my new Prime Minister.


    I can understand not being a big fan of Rae, especially if you were living in Ontario during his time as premier. And Ignatieff is just a little too high-falutin', bookie, and slick for me to see him as an effective party leader, but why no love for Scott Brison? I lived in his riding in the Annapolis Valley in Nova Scotia for two years or so and was always impressed by him and his apparent desire to actually serve his constituents. I don't think he's quite ready for the big time, myself, I'm just curious why you'd have him in the overall negative pile.


I hate to use the word "flip-flopper," but I'm suspicious of people who jump from one party to the other. I respect that Brison did it due to his discomfort with the Alliance's view of his sexuality, but I'd rather have the Liberals led by someone who's been a longer-term Liberal. This was also part of the reason I was anti-Rae -- that and the fact that I lived in Ontario between 1990 and 1995.


    In any event, I could have sworn that after the last federal election, Ignatieff was basically the anoited replacement. I follow Canadian politics a little bit, but when I went to sleep Friday, everyone was still asking "Ignatieff or Rae?" Dion came out of nowhere.


That's the problem with being the front-runner(s). If you're seen as the anointed one for long enough, you're going to build up a backlash. There were enough anti-Rae and anti-Iggy people in the party that they really didn't have much of a chance. This is one of the reasons, by the way, that I think Hillary will have a lot of trouble winning the Democratic presidential bid in 2008.




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As another long-time Liberal supporter, I am happy with the Dion choice. Kennedy was my first choice, but he will be the next leader in all likelihood...

The most important thing for this party going forward, and it was pointed out numerous times during the coverage this weekend, is that all of these people stay on and work with Dion. The whole weekend was a big Liberal love-in, but all will be lost if Iggy and Rae just disappear again.

Everyone of the candidates spoke well and were all very focused on their task at hand, beat the Conservatives, but if any of them just disappear, it will hurt the party. Especially Rae and Iggy, as they both had solid support.



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Dion may have some choices to make here in the very near future:

BQ Leader Duceppe threatens to topple government over Afghanistan (theglobeandmail.com)

If the Bloc doesn't get a change in the mission that Canadian soldiers are currently performing in Afghanistan, Gilles Duceppe is going to throw a non-confidence motion the government's way. The NDP, according to most news articles, would side with the Bloc on this one, putting the ball squarely in the hands of Stéphane Dion. Support the motion and run an election now, or back off and perhaps get a better oppourtunity down the line.

Figure this would probably come up sometime early in the new year. Would that give Dion enough time to ramp up for an election?





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    Originally posted by kwik
    Dion may have some choices to make here in the very near future:

    BQ Leader Duceppe threatens to topple government over Afghanistan (theglobeandmail.com)

    If the Bloc doesn't get a change in the mission that Canadian soldiers are currently performing in Afghanistan, Gilles Duceppe is going to throw a non-confidence motion the government's way. The NDP, according to most news articles, would side with the Bloc on this one, putting the ball squarely in the hands of Stéphane Dion. Support the motion and run an election now, or back off and perhaps get a better oppourtunity down the line.

    Figure this would probably come up sometime early in the new year. Would that give Dion enough time to ramp up for an election?


For Dion's sake, I hope that he sticks with the Conservatives and helps squash the non-confidence vote. He needs more time to become recognized by the Canadian public.

Also, there's a lot of rumbling in the local (Vancouver) press concerning his dual (Canada/France) citizenship. If an election is called, that WILL be an issue with many people, and I don't see that working in his advantage.



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Making an issue of Dion's French citizenship is such petty shit. The guy's been in government for years and nobody cared then. Nobody seemed to care when John Turner had British citizenship.



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Making an issue of Dion's French citizenship is such petty shit. The guy's been in government for years and nobody cared then. Nobody seemed to care when John Turner had British citizenship.
If memory recalls, Turner abandoned his British citizenship before he took on the PM office.

Not to say that one is better than the other, but if anything Canada's part of the Monarchy...and France isn't.

The argument is that if someone's going to run the country, they should be 100% Canadian, not hold two citizenships. Even if they're held in name only and the benefits aren't exercised.



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