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#1 Posted on
Over the years, wrestling has produced several angles involving male wresters that were portrayed to have efeminate, almost homosexual qualities (the term "gay" has not really been said on air as far as I know). There was Goldust and his advances on Razor Ramon and Ahmed Johnson, the ceremony of Billy and Chuck, Allen Funk as Miss TNA, etc. These have been mostly comedy angles and the wrestlers involved have not been portrayed in a positive light.

Can a wrestler be put in a angle presenting them as a homosexual person and still be portrayed as a serious face? Not flamboyant at all?

I don't think that it is possible to do this successfully because of different factors. A wrestler would have to be willing to go out there night after night in front of several fans who may not like the idea and get hostile. In addition, what happens if the wrestler decides to leave for another promotion? Would the angle stay with them? Would it become a character trait, used simply to flesh out the on-air personality? Would the promoter be able to resist going over the top with it for media attention?








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As a face, I'm not sure. However, the West Hollywood Blondes (Lodi and Lenny Lane) had potential, but then they were squashed by the PC Police at Turner/Time Warner.
Adrian Adonis was able to take it to such an extreme in the mid 80's days of high-kayfabe that it got people to tune in each week for his Piper feud.
And, worse comes to worse, Jeff Hardy is on the WWF/E roster.



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Don't forget Kwee Wee! What the hell was THAT thing?
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#4 Posted on

    Originally posted by IsaacYankem
    Don't forget Kwee Wee! What the hell was THAT thing?


yeah but kwee wee had paisley (aka sharmell, right?).. surely she was the "keep him looking somewhat hetero" factor in that equation.

i loved that gimmick where he would call out fans from the audience and give them piledrivers. :)
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I think the only way this would work is if they stayed away from the comedy aspect of it. If they did it in a serious way, then I think it could work.
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I think they *COULD* have done something serious with Billy and Chuck. The wedding was certainly looking that way until, of course, both guys remembered that they were straight....
Sure, they might have never been really over as faces, but so what? The WWE could have taken a chance, and made Billy and Chuck out to be role models. I think if McMahon ever was serious about accomplishing that type of a character, he could.



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The goldust character was so over for the first six months, then they toned down on it and just made him a freak. I'll never forget how much heat he got at a house show against Savio Vega after he slipped him the tongue.

A gay angle can get over well, if you test the masculinity of the audience, instead of making it a dog and pony show like Billy and Chuck were. All in the Family did an episode like this, a big football player who is really gay much to Archies dismay. Say you form a tag team, two big bad ass guys, for sake of argument Nathan Jones and Undertaker. Tag them as normal for a few months, they do thier share of winning. Then Undertaker gets loves letters and shit from an unknown person, Jones does stuff like slaps Undertaker's ass after matches, maybe have Jones wink at Undertaker during promos. Then after a month or two of feelers Jones is reveled as the one sending the love letters. That would be so disturbing, and really draw heat from us 18-35 male demographic. Yeah you need a huge monster as Robin Hood, heh I should be writing this stuff.





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    A gay angle can get over well, if you test the masculinity of the audience, instead of making it a dog and pony show like Billy and Chuck were. All in the Family did an episode like this, a big football player who is really gay much to Archies dismay. Say you form a tag team, two big bad ass guys, for sake of argument Nathan Jones and Undertaker. Tag them as normal for a few months, they do thier share of winning. Then Undertaker gets loves letters and shit from an unknown person, Jones does stuff like slaps Undertaker's ass after matches, maybe have Jones wink at Undertaker during promos. Then after a month or two of feelers Jones is reveled as the one sending the love letters. That would be so disturbing, and really draw heat from us 18-35 male demographic. Yeah you need a huge monster as Robin Hood, heh I should be writing this stuff.


The facial expressions from Undertaker would make this angle absolutely priceless. As would the facial expressions on Calloway's face when this angle get pitched to him. Jones probably wouldn't have a problem with it because, y'know, prison....

And even better, in this scenario, Jones STILL doesn't have to have a match! Huzzah!




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#9 Posted on
this idea unfortunately still sounds like the gay revelation would be the heel turn, which is BAD if you're trying to be serious about it.

what could work, but would probably be totally offensive and might not work, is having 'taker freak out on jones when he reveals his love and beat the living crap out of him. thus forcing the fans to root for the gay guy. my only worry is that with the generally-neanderthalic live wwe audience, they'd cheer taker after the brutal beatdown.. :(

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I think the only way to have a homosexual storyline that doesn't eventually fizzle out into nothing like Billy and Chuck is if you have wrestler who is actually gay and is committed to getting and staying out of the closet.

I think that a gay character should be face or heel depending on their actions with nothing to do with the gay part. That's how they were playing Billy + Chuck, they did the sexual ambiguity for humor, but they were heels because they cheated. And they really seemd to be trying to turn them face on the show before the wedding, but the audience shit all over that, so they revealed that they were really straight all along.

Vince needs to realize that, although the wrestlers are playing characters, unless your name is Dustin Runnels, the character you play should be very close to who you really are.

If Vince decides he really wants a serious gay character, he needs to start with a wrestler who wants this to be a part of his character for his whole career. And he has to accept that the fans will boo at first, but keep matching him up with over heels, and keep the heel color guy against him, and the face announcer for him. Then, when the guy starts getting a decent babyface reaction, have him turn on the fans for booing him and being homophobes.

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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by Nag
    Say you form a tag team, two big bad ass guys, for sake of argument Nathan Jones and Undertaker. Tag them as normal for a few months, they do thier share of winning. Then Undertaker gets loves letters and shit from an unknown person, Jones does stuff like slaps Undertaker's ass after matches, maybe have Jones wink at Undertaker during promos. Then after a month or two of feelers Jones is reveled as the one sending the love letters.


Best...Angle...Ever!



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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck

      Originally posted by Nag
      Say you form a tag team, two big bad ass guys, for sake of argument Nathan Jones and Undertaker. Tag them as normal for a few months, they do thier share of winning. Then Undertaker gets loves letters and shit from an unknown person, Jones does stuff like slaps Undertaker's ass after matches, maybe have Jones wink at Undertaker during promos. Then after a month or two of feelers Jones is reveled as the one sending the love letters.


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I think it would work better if it were Jones and Bradshaw. If Bradshaw rejects Nathan's advances, then he can fly first class, in which case Bradshaw will have to 'punish' him anyway, which Nathan's character would enjoy. As an additional bonus, it could keep both guys out of the ring.



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Then Jones could sell 'taker to Booker T for a carton of smokes..
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#14 Posted on
If I EVER see any of this on my TV I will hold each and every one of you personally responsible!

Can the storyline work? Maybe. The real question is, is a homosexual storyline necessary in a sport that is essentially two scantily clad men groping each other?




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Dude... Issac... that was wrong.





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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
The D-X era Shawn Michaels, while not a face, was definitely "cool" and while not an out gay character, definitely had a serious bisexual vibe going on, and while not a stonefaced tough-guy, was a serious threat in the ring (and was even champ). I think that's the closest anyone's come to a serious gay face character.

The WWE reflects society, it doesn't lead the way. Once it because cool and accepted for women to have sex with other women, you saw face characters do it in the WWE. Once it becomes cool and accepted for guys to have sex with other guys, you'll see face characters do that in the WWE too.



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#17 Posted on

    Originally posted by MoeGates
    The WWE reflects society, it doesn't lead the way. Once it because cool and accepted for women to have sex with other women, you saw face characters do it in the WWE. Once it becomes cool and accepted for guys to have sex with other guys, you'll see face characters do that in the WWE too.


I'll keep that in mind and bulk up my anime DVD library in case of that happening.

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#18 Posted on
When I saw this post, I recalled a column I read last year around the time of the Billy/Chuck angle. A very good column as well, which made it very possible to have an openly gay character on the show as well as being a FACE.

Couldn't for the life of me work out who wrote it, but I was pretty sure it was over at 411. So I got in touch with Widro and he pointed me to the direction of the column, many thanks wids.

The author of this column, none other than everyones current favourite writer, Josh Grutman;

A Wrestling Column 9.14.02: Billy And Chuck
Posted By Joshua Grutman on 09.14.02

They should have gone through with it.

Hi. Welcome to my new column. If the inspiration ever strikes again, Iíll do a wrestling tale, but this will probably be pretty good. Iíve decided to write an opinion piece, but before I send it in I would like to make it clear that I know absolutely nothing special about professional wrestling. This is most probably going to be like every other opinion piece on the net, only I wonít do it as frequently.

Billy and Chuck have been the most talked about wrestlers in the media since Hulk Hogan returned. Billy and Chuck have actually garnered more mainstream coverage then Hogan, and their wedding is comparable to the media attention the death of Owen Hart received. I heard a K-Rock DJ announce on Monday Night that Billy and Chuck would be getting married on Smackdown tonight, and it was disgusting. Although I have not read them or heard them, a lot of other media outlets have bashed the angle with similar reasoning. The one friend the angle had was GLAAD, and Iím sure theyíll be pretty miffed when it turns out that Billy and Chuck are straight.

I guess thatís my biggest problem with the angle. The WWE has all of these critics right now because two homosexuals are being married on the show, and on Thursday night the homosexuals are going to turn out to not be homosexuals. You think anyone who has bashed the WWE about this will run a story about how the gay guys suddenly turned straight and were attacked by the Island Boys? Or is that Boyz? Two men not getting married isnít a story, unless youíre an outraged, misled member of the gay media. They should have kept Billy and Chuck gay. They should have been proclaimed Husband and Husband. They should have shared a long, passionate kiss and Vince should have smiled as steam physically came out of Bozellís ears. Instead they went the cowardís route, pissing off their friends on the issue (GLAAD) in an attempt to placate their enemies who couldnít really give a crap. GLAAD deserved better.

Not all homosexuals are good people, but most of them are just like us. Trust me, I go to school at NYU, and I have met some very good homosexual people. Still, we make jokes and call each other faggot as an insult so that we seem more masculine. Next time you feel like calling someone that, look up the name Mark Bingham on yahoo or google. Iím not saying you canít say it, God knows I use it as an insult from time to time with my friends, but you should know what that faggot did and who youíre comparing the person youíre calling a faggot to. If it were all about Mark, the word would be a compliment.

One out of every ten people are gay. These people are not villains, but they have never been represented as anything but villains in wrestling. A guy who dug up his parentsí bodies and his brother who actually killed his parents are both good guys right now, but being gay is the ultimate sin in wrestling. Is this because the fans are so hate filled and homophobic that they couldnít cheer for a gay character? I believe the answer to that is no. Comic books and wrestling target a lot of the same audience, and go check out the Green Lantern. Iím not going to tell you about it, Iím just going to mention that it deals with the beating of a homosexual. The homosexual is not the bad guy. How about the Birdcage? Were you rooting against Robin Williams and Nathan Lane?

No, the problem isnít the audience. This is the year 2002. The straight male audience might not want to see two men having anal sex, but theyíd have no problem accepting a gay wrestler as a good guy, so long as he was a good guy first and a gay wrestler second. Therefore, allow me to offer up a suggestion that I think would work as a way to make this up to GLAAD.

Make John Cena gay.


You can get the rest of the column and how Grut would have excuted it here;

http://411mania.com/wrestling/columns/article.php?columns_id=1333



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#19 Posted on
The answer is no.

It won't be accepted.

Wrestling fans have always been homophobic.

Aside from that, a character's sexual preference has nothing to do with his wrestling ability. If they had an awesome character who was sorta gay, but it wasn't his whole character or a significant part of it at all, then maybe.

But the gay face who's gimmick is that he's gay will never work. And Vince will never learn subtlety...He's sixty, he's not going to pick it up now.



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#20 Posted on
Can it work? Yes! but not in WWE. We have seen homosexual "WWE Style" in WWE already, and it wasn't pretty.
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