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This is just crazy... Simon may not be the most charismatic guy around, but I have heard of a few things that were NOT on this site... the guy is the biggest slime on this planet...



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I hope you mean Davis and not Simon.

I'm with you...I want Simon, and will vote for him anyway, but the guy is boring as hell. After he beat Riordan in the primary last year I was patiently waiting to hear his acceptance speech, and it was one of the most flat, boring pieces of political garbage I had ever heard. Crap dude, get excited, inspire your party, get your base into it. I know, he's a businessman and not a politician, and he doesn't want to come off as too abrasive because his conservative views may irk some people, but at least give us SOMETHING. Davis is the master of no-emotion politics: GovernorTron 2000. Don't copy him, please.

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But you've got to admit that a boring Simon is better than four more years of Governor Gray-out. Besides, that would mercy kill once and for all the "Davis in '04" hullabaloo.
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Since: 23.1.02
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I don't understand. You think Simon is going to be any less open to taking money from rich lobbies?

-Jag

I don't really care. I don't live in California. Oh, and didn't they find memos from Enron that show that they were partly to blame for the lack of power in California? The same thing Davis said that they were doing? I'll see if I can find it...

edit/ Trying to read the memos located at www.ferc.gov but everytime they try and load, Explorer crashes.

edit2: Got it. Still reading the memo's but here's a clip from one of the FERC guys talking about it:

The memoranda discuss certain trading strategies that Enron's traders are using in the California wholesale energy market, for example, "inc-ing load" (i.e., submitting
unrealistic schedules) into the California Independent System Operator's real-time energy imbalance market; creating, and then "relieving," phantom congestion on the Cal ISO's transmission grid; and megawatt laundering (called "ricocheting" in the memoranda). Another strategy, called "death star," is described as allowing Enron to get paid "for moving energy to relieve congestion without actually moving any energy or relieving any congestion."

The last section of the two dated memoranda discuss the ISO tariff's definition of, and prohibition of, "gaming" and "anomalous market behavior." The memoranda then
list and discuss those sanctions in the ISO tariff that would apply in the event that the ISO were to discover that Enron was engaging in such strategies.


So it would take an actual analyst to be able to say how much effect these practices had on the California energy crisis, but at first glance, they look pretty damning.

(edited by Jaguar on 21.9.02 0031)

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I'm less concerned about who's taking who from what(neither Davis nor Simon are particularly clean in this area) but Davis is a moron who signs all sorts of wacky environmental laws that do bad things for the rest of the country thanks to the strick environmental standards of the state.

BTW, blaming deregulation for the neergy crisis was a joke. It was the way they deregulated that was the problem. I'll explain more if anybody cares, but the gist of it is simple laws of economics.
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Davis is notorious for being for sale.. more-so than any politicial I have ever seen. It is sad really...
Simon IS pretty boring, but I have heard a few interviews with him lately where he seems to be starting to loosen up... maybe he was just nervous about running for office?
Fact is that Davis accepted bribes (sorry, donations) from the power companies, turned the other cheek when they held back production of power, and then signed California into a 10 year agreement to buy power from outside the state at 10 times the price! Now we are producing way more power than we need, and we still have to keep buying all of this power from other states... it is almost criminal....
He also signed some ridiculous taxes into effect.. a soda tax? And SUV tax???? Come on! I do not buy the whole "tax something you want people not to use BS.... You do that, and the government starts relying on it... then if people STOP using then, the government freaks out because it is losing money!
Davis is done... let someone else come in and fix things!



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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    You do that, and the government starts relying on it... then if people STOP using then, the government freaks out because it is losing money!


Try Maryland, where they enact a cigarette tax to get people to stop smoking, and then tie the cigarette tax revenues to a $1.5 billion education program, whose money source they want to dry up.

Democrats behaving dumbly. Gray Davis and the Glendening-Townsend administration are kindred spirits in stupidity.
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You guys are super-pissed your states are so Democratic, aren't you? Hey, if I lived in Idaho I'd be pissed too I guess.

Maryland I can sympathize with I guess, as it's always been pretty liberal, but the GOP in California only has itself to blame. You had that state 12 years ago and your idiot governor Pete Wilson (that guy make Davis AND Townsend look like Nobel Prize winners) pissed it away on a short-term issue to get re-elected that ended up totally alienating the fastest-growing voting group in your state. That's just plain dumb. I says a hell of a lot about the state of the Republicans in places like Maryland, New Jersey and California that an idiot, a crook, and a combination of the two can run on a "hey, at least I'm not a Republican" platform...and be ahead.

You do that, and the government starts relying on it... then if people STOP using then, the government freaks out because it is losing money!

That's just the pessimist way of looking at it. The optimist sees a win-win scenatio: either the government gets more tax revenue (good) or less people smoke (also good).




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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    It says a hell of a lot about the state of the Republicans in places like Maryland, New Jersey and California that an idiot, a crook, and a combination of the two can run on a "hey, at least I'm not a Republican" platform...


For the record, in Maryland Bob Ehrlich is now ahead of Kathleen Kennedy Townsend 47-46 in the Mason-Dixon Poll and 46-43 in the Gonzales-Arscott poll.

EDIT: And KKT's negatives are over twice as high as Ehrlichs, and in March KKT was 15 points ahead.

(edited by Grimis on 23.9.02 1511)
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    Originally posted by MoeGates
    br>That's just the pessimist way of looking at it. The optimist sees a win-win scenatio: either the government gets more tax revenue (good) or less people smoke (also good).



The government getting more money is a GOOD thing?
Seriously, though... Is it the role of government to parent you? I say thee nay. If the gov't is spending money on health care for smokers, then, sure, let's recoup some of that money. It's taxpayer money, after all. But the government is not simply recovering some of the money lost to tobacco-related illness. It's turning tobacco into a cash cow. This, of course, is a moral dilemma. If tobacoo is so evil (as the gov't contends), how can it be good for the gov't to make money off it? And more money, at that, than it makes off of other consumer goods (proportionately, at least).



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This is not a Democrat/Republican issue in California- Pete Wilson was an idiot. Gray Davis is a criminal. Simon may not be the brightest or most engaging canditate, but he is better than what is there now. And since the Democrats ran a smear campaign against Richard Riorden in the Republican primary (yes, the Democrats attacking a Republican who was not even running against their encumbant yet) because Davis had no hope against him, we have a somewhat lessor canditate. Well, that is not going to make me vote for Davis... I want him out more than I am uneasy about the alternative...
OK... so if a state spends all of the tax money they make on tobacco on schools, and they succeed in their "goal" and get people to stop smoking (none of their damned buisness anyway) then the schools suffer. Unless they raise our taxes again to cover the loss. Either way, the government grows, takes more power away from us, and we lose money to taxes. It is wrong no matter how you look at it...



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