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Since: 2.1.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.18

I remember when for years and years, the Flyers zealots and the hosts on WIP bitched and moaned that Bob Clarke would never promote Bill Barber from the Phantoms to head coach.

Then, he finally did and ka-boom.

Let's how many coaches has Sir Bob fired in the last 5 years?

How many goalies have they gone through?

Somewhere, Eric Lindros is smiling.

So am I. And I'm going on vacation and get to listen to two weeks of WIP ignore the rest of the Stanley Cup playoffs and the NBA playoffs once the Sixers lose. I guess it's all Iggles radio again.





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Since: 2.1.02
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#2 Posted on
It is un-freakin-believable....

What a joke this is. Bob Clarke must really do Snyder good
cause he should be out on his ass, not the coach.

Now they are talking about promoting someone else from within the organization. Who would want that job????
You take it, you're an obvious sucker!!!






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Since: 7.2.02
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I am just as mad about this as everyone else. But I am going to do something about it. Flyer fans have put up with this garbage for far too long. It is time for a change, time for a new direction.

Be prepared.

This organization needs an enima.





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Since: 3.1.02
From: Philly

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#4 Posted on
A molten lead enema.



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Since: 6.1.02
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#5 Posted on
Bobby Clarke is on my "elite" piece of crap list.

Odess asks how many coaches in were fired recently. Well it's 5 coaches since 97. Including a Roger Neilson who left to get treated for freakin CANCER and returned without a job because the intern (Craig Ramsay) did a good job, he took them to the conference final with a 3-1 led and pissed it away to the Devils. Ramsay then got fired 28 games into the next season getting replaced by Barber.

Great AP article on this sad organazation Click Here





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Since: 2.1.02
From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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#6 Posted on
From my understanding, I had heard that Snider wanted Barber, so Clarke may(and probably will) escape unscathed from this mess.

What I thought was horrible were some of the players ganging up on Barber the day before he was fired. I've never come across behaviour so pathetic before. About as dishonourable as it gets, if you ask me.
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Since: 7.2.02
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Snider did bypass Clarke and choose Barber.

However, Clarke has to be held accountable for putting this team of overpaid children together.

Quotes from the movie Waking Life, Self-Destructive Man:

"The powers-that-be want us to be passive observers... I feel that the time has come to project my own inadequacies and dissatisfactions into the socio-political and scientific schemes. Let my own lack of a voice be heard.."

The time has come.



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Since: 3.1.02
From: Northern NJ

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#8 Posted on
Booby has never been held accountable for anything during his days at the helm of the flyboys - now he is going to beat Slats to Hitchcock and that will get him another free pass for the next two years



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Since: 13.2.02
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Bobby Clarke is and arrogant loudmouth, yes. He always has been.

But he knows his hockey. He's dealt for the right players (and no, Eric Lindros is not one of the `right' players). But he has yet to find a coach that the players will respect. And until he does, they're just going to keep bouncing it up to the coach and then management will can whoever it is.

Bobby Clarke is not the problem; excepting that he's not been able to find and hire the right coach for the team. As ridiculous as it is that the Flyers did not do better this year, you can't pin it on the guy who put the team together. Pin it on the guys who were on the ice and the man behind the bench, who is the man in charge of the motivation.



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Since: 2.1.02
From: Calgary ... Alberta Canada

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"Bobby Clarke is not the problem"

Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

That jackass had the chance to sign Curtis Joseph back in the day. But he publicly stated that "goaltending is overrated" and decided to go with ... hey who did the Flyers settle for? Was it Vanbiesbrook? How many Stanley Cups have they thrown away because of their arrogant and stubborn GM?

With the money Philly has to throw around, there is probably a dozen or more hockey people who could have done better for that organization than Clarke.






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Yes, hw has assembeled a good team. But how old is it now? All those guys aren't young anymore. And besides, who do they have in net that plays well day in and day out?



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Since: 3.1.02

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#12 Posted on
There's nothing wrong w/ Chechmanek, he's a good goaltender and Brian Boucher has proven that he has what it takes to win....regular season and playoffs.

And eventhough Bobby Clarke is an absolute stubborn ass, he does his job to the bes of his abilities. Okay, wait...okay, so maybe he is PART of the problem, but the biggest problem are the Flyers themselves.

Nevermind that they play in Philadelphia, where the fans 'boo' them, because fans can boo their team when their team sucks as bad as the Flyers (I'm looking at you Roenick).

The Flyers have NO defense. At all. All their forwards are scorers who hardly ever back check. Sure, hitting guys in the corner is great, but when 3 guys chase the puck in the offensive zone, that just MAY lead to some odd numbered attacks going the other way. They're defensemen are hardly that either. Simon Gagne lives to score and everyone else is just there. What? Luke Richardson? Don't misunderstand, I have the guys autograph and all, but he's not exactly challenging Nicklas Lidstrom and Chelios for Norris Trophy candidacy.

The most insulting thing of all is that the players bad mouthed Barber. Tarnish is right, the guys on the ice have to produce....'I don't like my coach, so I won't play' OR 'Screw my coach, I want that cup'. Good move jackasses.
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Since: 7.2.02
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The sad thing is that they are waiting for Hitchcock to come back and offer him the job. He has to be the first choice since he was in the organization back in the early 90's.

If he is hired watch out. A taskmaster managing a room full of babies. That won't last for long.

EDIT: Watch for Cechmanek to go to Boston for a defenseman. Clarke believes he needs to replace Richardson with another big, slow defenseman.

Dopita will go to the Oilers, probably for a couple of minor leaguers.



(edited by evilwaldo on 6.5.02 2338)
This entire thing we're involved with called the world is an opportunity to exhibit how exciting alienation can be. Life is a matter of a miracle that is collected over time by moments flabbergasted to be in each others' presence. The world is an exam, to see if we can rise into the direct experiences. Our eyesight is here as a test, to see if we can see beyond it. Matter is here as a test for our curiosity. Doubt is here as an exam for our vitality.
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Since: 3.1.02
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#14 Posted on
They say that Pat Burns is also a viable candidate in Philly - I know he hasn't met with Slats yet for NYR job - Slats talked to Herb Brooks yesterday and is talking to larry Robinson later in the week - all the dominoes are lining up.....



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Since: 13.2.02
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Watching the tube the other day, they (TSN; in Canadia) made it sound like the two front-runners were Hitchcock and Bob Gainey. Apparently Bobby Clarke and Gainey are quite good friends.

I can't think of two more diametrically opposed styles, though. Gainey's the soft-spoken, ``our record speaks for itself'' kinda guy while Hitchcock is, as someone pointed out, more of the taskmaster.

I don't know who I'd rather send into that room, though. The stars in the Philly dressing room are mostly older guys (i.e. Roenick, Primeau, Tocchet, LeClair, Oates). Do you want to send a Ken Hitchcock in there guns blazing? It worked at first in Dallas, then the boys stopped winning and the big names (i.e. Modano) drove him out.

Maybe a guy like Bob Gainey gets more respect from the older set and when he gives them the opportunity to run with the ball, they run harder than if they had a guy cracking the whip behind them.

And anyone who thinks Philly's defense is suspect is on crack. They're big, they're mobile, they've got youth & and experience. Forget about it. They just need a solid defense coach to bring them together (as the team needs a solid coach to bring them together as a whole).

They could use another goalie, but Cechmanek would be sufficient if the five guys in front of him were consistent.

The dream staff in Philly for me would be Gainey assisted by Larry Robinson (who I believe doesn't want to be a head coach anyway). I think that combination, with the talent on the bench, would slaughter anything Sather could put together in NY.



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Since: 2.1.02
From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada

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#16 Posted on
You Philly fans should appreciate this site, then.
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Since: 7.2.02
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Philly has a lot of problems on defense.

Eric Desjardins - Once a Norris Trophy candidate, his skills have deteriorated to the point where he is barely serviceable. In game 5 who was outmuscled in front of the net on the game winning goal, Desjardins. 3 years ago, that would never have happened.

Chris McAllister - Just what is he doing in the NHL? 6'7" and can't play to save his life. It is amazing that the Flyers have more patience with him and his development then they do with their own players. See Andy Delmore.

Dan McGillis - Would be a better player if he just stuck with what he does best, hit people and put the puck on net. He has/had a 90mph slap shot, where did that go?

Chris Therien - I am so sick of his act. He plays great against Jagr and then like garbage against the rest of the league. His problem is that he wants to be an offensive defensemen but does not have the skills. But he tries, poorly. Definitely should be traded. Like watching Terry Carkner.

Kim Johnsson - 40 games does not a season make. Never played in a role like this before so I believe that his conditioning was at fault. Next season is the key. He needs to play 80 games like he played the first 40.

Eric Weinrich - Our best defensemen this year. You rarely heard from him which means that he didn't make a lot of mistakes. The plus 27 was the best from a defensemen by a wide margin. Definite keeper.

Luke Richardson - Good year. You hit people and kept the front of the net fairly clear. Will be watching you play for the Rangers next year.



This entire thing we're involved with called the world is an opportunity to exhibit how exciting alienation can be. Life is a matter of a miracle that is collected over time by moments flabbergasted to be in each others' presence. The world is an exam, to see if we can rise into the direct experiences. Our eyesight is here as a test, to see if we can see beyond it. Matter is here as a test for our curiosity. Doubt is here as an exam for our vitality.
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First of all, Philly has one of the largest defensive corps in the league. Every guy is taller than 6' and only 1 is sub-200lbs. With heavy-hitting talent up front (Primeau, Roenick, and Tocchet are all rough-and-tumble players), they've got what should be one of the toughest teams going. Take my word for it; when you look at the roster for the opposing team and you see size like that, you don't look forward to games against them, win lose or draw.

Desjardins had a bad year, yes. He won't have two in a row (unless he's got some kind of nagging injury, in which case offload him while he's still worth something). He does, however provide leadership along with Richardson. You need elder statesmen for a solid defense.

Weinrich is another solid defenseman who will hopefully grow into a leadership role himself.

The rest of your knocks, I believe, have to do with proper coaching and motivation. McAllister will be a monster (he'll never be really mobile, but that's beside the point). McGillis not shooting looked to me like a direct result of coaches telling him not to. Therien needs his head screwed on straight, and I believe you're dead on with Johnsson.

My point is, I don't think there's a weak sister there (including McAllister; at least he can fight ). Bring in an Assistant who can bring that bunch together (again I cite Larry Robinson, under Gainey, preferably, as the best possible candidate), and you'll have a killer defense that can hold the back end down while the forwards Tear Shit Up(tm)


(edited by tarnish on 7.5.02 1822)
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