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Michrome
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95936,00.html

My question is just this: Does anyone actually buy into this nonsense? It is honestly beyond scary that we have a gubernatorial candidate that has absolutely no understanding of the free market. I still remain amazed that coke and pepsi own 80% of the soft drink industry, yet we're not getting gouged on soda. Wait, maybe we are! Let's have soda control! How about clothes? Everyone needs clothes, why not put in some price caps? Only a socialist would actually condemn a company for making profit...California cannot afford to elect this guy.

And, just another thing about Bustamante, why isn't his refual to distance himself from mecHa an issue? This is a group with the motto "for the race, everything. For those outside the race, nothing." For those that don't know, their charter calls for the reconquest of various southwest states for Mexico. I know some people on this board *hate* Foxnews, and I'm not afraid to admit they are biased to the right, but thank god they're around, because CBS, NBC, and ABC are most definitely not running this type of article.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,95871,00.html
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The sad thing is he'll probably win this race. He's the only democrat running, while the repubs have a more muddled field and are in danger of tearing themselves apart over social issues. My advice to them; give it a rest already. This recall is about economics, not abortion or gun control or gay rights. You're not going to win any elections in California with social-conservative rhetoric.

Ack. So frustrating to see yet another conservative party discussing the trees while the forest burns.

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Given the PUC's track record of "dealing with" SBC, I can't imagine they'd do much better with the oil industry than they've done with the telecommunications industry in California.

I don't think the MEChA thing is any less of a nonstarter than Arnold's "Nazi past." My university's MEChA chapter didn't do any violent stuff and nobody* there thought they were busy being racists...and that's the sort of thing that WOULD have made the school paper if it had.

*nobody I knew of - there's always somebody believing something, of course...but it was close enough to zero for you to get my drift



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    Originally posted by CRZ
    I don't think the MEChA thing is any less of a nonstarter than Arnold's "Nazi past."

I think the point about it is the fact that he only place you here about the MeChA/Bustamane connection is in blogs or the Conservative press. The mainstream/liberal press won't touch it while, for a while, they were repeating the Arnold's dad was a Nazi story.

Irregardless, Bustamante's connection with an obvious racist group(plus his use of the really bad word a few years back) is really not getting enough attention.

EDIT: Today's LA Times:

Bustamante, for his part, focused his day on an announcement about controlling gasoline prices, which have climbed to well over $2 a gallon this summer. But he also faced questions about his past.

As a student activist at Fresno State University in the 1970s, Bustamante was a member of MEChA, the Chicano Student Movement of Aztlan, which, among other things, had called for the formation of a Chicano nation.

As a fill-in host on San Diego radio station KOGO-AM (600), McClintock called on Bustamante to renounce his membership in the group.

"MEChA is a radical and racist organization," McClintock said, adding that membership is like saying "you're a member of the Klan."

Addressing reporters in Sacramento, Bustamante said the group was in the mainstream at Fresno State when he participated and that he joined a coalition slate in a failed run for student body president.

A Fresno State instructor from that era, Theresa Perez, said the group focused on farm workers' rights and other issues and that the idea of taking back parts of the United States once home to native Aztecs was a symbolic idea.

"I think the actuality of what takes place in those organizations is to provide student leadership," Bustamante said. "That's how I got here today, by getting involved."


(edited by Grimis on 29.8.03 0754)


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I think there's a difference. Arnold totally repudiates any nazi ideas, and Bustamante refuses to do the same with mecHa. This is a group that editorialized earlier this year that they would like to see every U.S. immigrant official slaughtered.

If arnold ever had a chance to blow Bustamante out of the water, it's now with this ridiculous gasoline proposal. If dems are going to play the Oui magazine card, he damn well should attack Bustamante's plan as Soviet-style economic recovery. It still remains scary how little most of the socialists in the California state government actually know about basic free market economics. How many times must we establish stupid commisions to see if we're being gouged only to find out there was a perfectly legitimate reason for the price raise. Isn't it odd that nobody forms commissions when the price of gas goes down? If these guys were out to screw us, you'd think the price would be 6 or 7 dollars per gallon. Hell, why does it *ever* go down.
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Incidentally, here is a long-ass link-filled smorgosbord concerning the Bustamante-MEChA connection. Herei s the money quote:

Cruz Bustamante, to the best of my knowledge, is not a racist, or a secessionist, or an advocate of violence. But he once joined those who were, and who are. And just recently, he failed to denounce them. If he had any shame whatsoever, he wouldn't even get his own vote. It's bad enough that California is currently governed by an incompetent. It need not be governed by a coward. Cruz Bustamante blew an easy call by failing to denounce MEChA. His supporters repeat the mistake by trying to excuse away the indefensible.

(edited by Grimis on 3.9.03 1050)


"Each time I've met Huffington, I wondered if she was not somehow the long-lost daughter of Madame Nicolai Ceaucescu, or a genetic cross between Martha Stewart and Count Dracula. Had this Greek-born harpy lived in medieval times, she would have been sewn up in a bag with a rooster and two snakes and thrown into the nearest river."
-- Eric Margolis, Toronto Star
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I remember one of his speeches around when Arnold was
announcing his candidacy:

Cruz wants to raise tobacco and alcohol taxes.

Cruz wants to levy additional taxes on cars worth over 20k. Whether that's present value or original price I don't know, but isn't that the price of the average family car?






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More on MEChA, thanks to Mickey Kaus who got it from a MEChA supporting site.

MEChA is not a Mexican or Mexican-American organization. In 1999, MEChA changed its Philosophy and declared itself to be part of the intercontinental Indigenous Struggle of the Americas. Thus, we are internationalist in scope, and stand in solidarity and support the aboriginal rights of all the Indigenous peoples of the Americas and we no longer recognize the borders of any Colonial nation-state.


John Leo: Bustamante is no wild-eyed radical. But he has had as much trouble renouncing his connection to MEChA as Trent Lott did in retracting his admiring comment on the Dixiecrats. Bustamante joined MEChA in his college years in the 1970s and has reportedly addressed MEChA groups since. Under heavy prodding at Fox News, he said he would be governor of all the people, but he has offered no direct disavowal of the group.

Now, it's safe to say that if a leading Republican candidate for governor had any ties at all to a MEChA-like group of white supremacists, past or present, 20 or so reporters would charge out of every California newsroom, eager to commit journalism.





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    Originally posted by Grimis
    More on MEChA, thanks to Mickey Kaus who got it from a MEChA supporting site.

    MEChA is not a Mexican or Mexican-American organization. In 1999, MEChA changed its Philosophy and declared itself to be part of the intercontinental Indigenous Struggle of the Americas. Thus, we are internationalist in scope, and stand in solidarity and support the aboriginal rights of all the Indigenous peoples of the Americas and we no longer recognize the borders of any Colonial nation-state.


    John Leo: Bustamante is no wild-eyed radical. But he has had as much trouble renouncing his connection to MEChA as Trent Lott did in retracting his admiring comment on the Dixiecrats. Bustamante joined MEChA in his college years in the 1970s and has reportedly addressed MEChA groups since. Under heavy prodding at Fox News, he said he would be governor of all the people, but he has offered no direct disavowal of the group.

    Now, it's safe to say that if a leading Republican candidate for governor had any ties at all to a MEChA-like group of white supremacists, past or present, 20 or so reporters would charge out of every California newsroom, eager to commit journalism.





It's not surprising. In today's world you can have black, Hispanic, Asian, gay, or female pride to the point of being racist towards others. But the second someone would even come close to uttering "white pride" in any way shape or form they would be labelled the next Hitler.



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More from Kaus/LA Times:

In his news conference, Bustamante went further when asked if he saw any differences between legal and illegal immigrants.

"I think that anybody who works and pays taxes ought to have a right for citizenship," he said.

He deflected a question about whether that meant he would support open borders, but said later that he would back an amnesty program for illegal immigrants living in California.


He's nuts...





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